The Werewolves of Millers Hollow (Game Over)


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Post Post #1725 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:00 am

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MikeSC6 wrote:Can we be certain that nightkills would happen before the Piper acts? This could be as much of a gamble as lynching Jahudo would be.

We'd have to trust that the mafia kill before the Piper can act. We'd have to trust that the mafia's win condition is opposed to the Piper's. We'd have to trust that Jahudo isn't just a townie fakeclaiming in order to get Starbuck lynched (though that's a bit farfetched...)

On the plus side- if the gamble pays off and the mafia do lose if the Piper wins, and Jahudo is either a werewolf or the Piper, they'd have no choice but to kill off the Piper, and we'd have a free track to use as we wish.

There could easily be a tracking-misdirector, I suppose, so we can't say for certain that it's Jahudo.

Can anyone tell me whether Cult Leaders and other similar roles win if they get nightkilled on the same night that they recruit enough to win? Does the kill happen before or after their action?
I believe there's a thread somewhere in MD about standard night-action priorities, and while I don't remember all the rules about RBs and Busdrivers, I'm almost certain that it's standard for kills to resolve first and prevent the killed party from taking any action. Also, win-conditions aren't typically assessed until a Day/Night transition. In other words, there might (heavy emphasis on might) be some point during the night where the Piper will have everyone dancing, but it doesn't count if he isn't alive the next day.

I'm open to tracking anybody the town wants (though if I was a watcher, catching scum tonight would be a snap).
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Post Post #1726 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:55 am

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OH GOD! This is insane. I believe Jahudo, actually.
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Post Post #1727 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:43 pm

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Actually... since NabakovNabakov has been dancing since day one, is it possible that he's been unable to get a result during the entire game?
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Post Post #1728 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:55 pm

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My claim and the reliability of its results isn't even an issue at this point. It was what pushed Jahudo to claiming yes, but now that he
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claimed, he is committed to a position, and my No Lynch scheme takes advantage of only that fact. Even if my results are inaccurate, even if I hadn't claimed at all, the fact that Jahudo has claimed werewolf makes killing the Piper tonight foolproof.
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Post Post #1729 (ISO) » Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:20 pm

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Yeah, kills are typically the first in action resolves so as long as there's nothing to stop our kill, I guess we can wait until night and I'll just kill for my team. You guys really owe us now ;)

Does Yos get to keep targeting people? Maybe he should kill an inactive. Who's that again?
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Post Post #1730 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:57 am

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Vote: No Lynch


I guess this is the safest way- though I really don't like Jahudo trying to convince us that kills come first. I don't think a Piper would know if kills came first or not though- so this could just be WIFOM- trying to dissuade us from doing it by the back door.
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Post Post #1731 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:05 am

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Unvote
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I told you all I wasn't the Piper. Although, Jahudo's werewolf claim strikes me as odd. All will be revealed in the overnight.
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Post Post #1732 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:25 am

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EDWOP: All will be revealed in the overnight, I hope.
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Post Post #1733 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:22 pm

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Hm... I don't really see how this plan is foolproof.
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Post Post #1734 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:28 pm

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It is.

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Post Post #1735 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:30 pm

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??
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Post Post #1736 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:32 pm

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zwetschenwasser wrote:Hm... I don't really see how this plan is foolproof.
It's simple.

Jahudo's claim can be either true or false...

If it is true: Starbuck is the Piper and must die. Because Jahudo is a werewolf and can identify Starbuck as the Piper, he has the ability to kill him.

If it is false: Jahudo is the Piper and must die. Because the real werewolves will know that Jahudo lied, and that he would have no reason to lie other than protecting his identity as the Piper, they will kill him.

In both cases, the Piper dies.
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Post Post #1737 (ISO) » Thu Sep 03, 2009 2:33 pm

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You're right.
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Post Post #1738 (ISO) » Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:20 am

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The town has decided to no lynch. Proceeding to night.
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Post Post #1739 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2009 1:42 am

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Another 24 hours of night.
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Post Post #1740 (ISO) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:30 am

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So, uh... what's going on?
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Post Post #1741 (ISO) » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:51 pm

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DizzyIzzyB13 wrote:So, uh... what's going on?
Me asking Haschel something.
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Post Post #1742 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 2:57 am

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Uh-oh
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Post Post #1743 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:15 am

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Game Over. muahahaha
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Post Post #1744 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:23 am

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!!!
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Post Post #1745 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:15 am

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nah. I'm just screwin wit ya! :P

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Post Post #1746 (ISO) » Sat Sep 12, 2009 12:29 pm

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grrr...
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Post Post #1747 (ISO) » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:51 pm

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So for sure, by 7PM MST/GMT-7 tomorrow night will be over.
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Post Post #1748 (ISO) » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:45 pm

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Jahudo has been night killed. He was a
Piper
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Post Post #1749 (ISO) » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:58 pm

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I believe with that the Mafia wins.
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