Mini 837 - Stratego Mafia! (Game Over!)

[Vaya]

@Vaya- That seems like scum jumping on a wagon. Ortolan did the same thing, yet you ignore that/don't comment on it? Why?

Of course I'm going to jump on a wagon at this point, five days away from deadline. I'm not going to place a useless vote on someone who's probably not going to be lynched.

Your jumping on and off the wagon bothers me more for a few reasons.

One, ortolan already stated suspicion of dramonic earlier, your vote kind of just came out of nowhere.

Two, your reasoning for being on the wagon kinda sucks.

I did not put him at L-1 or anywhere close Hoopla. Gorrad still will not answer my questions. Dramonic was rolefishing and I voted him to get him to stop.

You were on the wagon just because you wanted him to stop rolefishing? Not because you thought be may have been scum or wanted him lynched? I don't like how you don't get off the wagon until right after his claim.

[charter]

Vote Count

Gorrad - 1 (Sajin)
dramonic - 2 (Synx, Gorrad)
AlmasterGM - 2 (Kast, ElectricBadger)
ortolan - 2 (dramonic, WeyounsLastClone)
Synx - 2 (Debonair Danny DiPietro, ortolan)

Sajin - 3 (Hoopla, AlmasterGM, Vaya)

Not Voting

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is September 12, midnight.

[dramonic]

I'm up for a Sajin lynch. His playstyle is quite different than what I saw last time he was town.

Unvote
Vote: Sajin

Also, catching scum on post 13 is just ridiculous

[ortolan]

Sajin's 135 is pro-town, and then the spontaneous vote in 138 more pro-town than not.

I see it as unlikely Sajin is scum.

[Sajin]

Alright dramonic how is it different? Because based on the game I have played with you, I have played very similarly.

[dramonic]

Well, in the beginning it wasn't that bad, but your posts have all turned into 1-liners with more or less sense in them. In our other games you pushed more, were being more theorical and less... "I still like my Gorrad vote"

You know, you were elaborating in RotM

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Of all the people at two votes I'd prefer we run up Synx and then Sajin right now. I could also abide by Gorrad and AGM lynches. Dramonic and Vaya need to move their vote/vote at all to a more likely target so we can use those wagons to both evaluate people and secure a lynch.

Why would dramonic need to move his vote? I unvoted Gorrad and voted ortolan in the meanwhile, so dramonic is on a wagon with 2 votes (which there seem to be too much of).

I was working off the last vote count and missed that he had moved his vote since then.

Sajin, do you have a history of not discussing things while scum can still talk and if so link?

[Gorrad]

Sajin's probably town. He's fighting the wrong battle, but I don't think scum would go out of there way to push a random like this. 254 worries me, as it seems like he's actively trying to stick to town meta, but it's not enough to warrant a lynch.

Sajin, i have NOT been rolefishing. I have been speculating. I challenge you to find one post this game where I have asked someone for role-related information. You've also misrepresented me, pulling four posts and saying they all followed a pattern.

Dramonic was strung up to L-1 then claimed vanilla. He was then let go because of a vanilla claim. Can anyone explain to me how that makes him ANY less scummy?

[ElectricBadger]

I'm going to hold my vote where it is. I don't think any progress is really being made right now. We should have a better chance on Day 2 when we have a vague idea of how this game works.

Are you saying we should No Lynch?

My most likely scum-team is Kast, Hoops and Synx.

This seems like a good starting scum list imo. Though I might swap in AlmasterGM. Tried to use my vote to give Kast some momentum on that wagon to see if he ran with it - but instead he went silent, so less convinced they can't be scum together now.

wagon with 2 votes (which there seem to be too much of).

Agreed.

Sajin's vote jump reads town to me; silly for mafia to jump off a townie mislynch and risk destroying it, particularly when they weren't a big pusher for the wagon, and suicidal to do that on a scum lynch. I'm not thrilled with all his posts - way too much setup speculation and eagerness to claim for my comfort - but I'm not ready to vote him yet.

Synx has coasted without any real content and simply followed bandwagons without original analysis. Of the potential bandwagons atm, his seems best.

Unvote Almaster, Vote Synx

[AlmasterGM]

I'm going to hold my vote where it is. I don't think any progress is really being made right now. We should have a better chance on Day 2 when we have a vague idea of how this game works.

Are you saying we should No Lynch?
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No. I previously voted Sajin, and I'm keeping that vote. I'm strongly opposed to a no-lynch - I think we definitely need to flip over the roles of two players.

[Sajin]

How have I been setup speculating at all? Gorrad on the other hand has self admittedly. I find that your speculation is trying to obtain information that out roles. By discussing what may or may not be known amongst the town it can out roles that should not be known.

Gorrad- I never wanted to lynch dramonic, I wanted him to stop speculation/rolefishing just as I don't like it from you. Answer me- What is the potential gain as town? Because as I see it, the entirity of your posts could only benefit scum.

[Gorrad]

The potential gain was to prove that claiming a numbered piece was not a stupid thing to do by showing reasons why each of the non-numbered would not want to claim. It was defense against allegations you put on me.

[Kast]

-Strongly disliking how EB has been just jumping onto other player's ideas and trying to use other players to justify his vote.

-I'll be happy with either AlmasterGM or EB being lynched today. Based on the rules, nobody need compromise on their preferred lynch candidates to accommodate a lynch over no-lynch.

[ortolan]

That's three votes for Synx.

[ortolan]

Dramonic was strung up to L-1 then claimed vanilla. He was then let go because of a vanilla claim. Can anyone explain to me how that makes him ANY less scummy?

Claiming vanilla is a bad reason to unvote someone in general, I agree. I just think he's town really and the manner of his claim is consistent with that. It's not ideal I agree. But I will make the point that I don't actually think it's scummy in practice to unvote him. Scum aren't going to volunteer to make themselves look scummy in exchange for not lynching a townie. They want to lynch townies instead of themselves. Unless the suggestion is that it was his buddies voting him and we unvoted to let him off the hook.

[Hoopla]

I'd still rather a Sajin lynch, but I'm not opposed to the Synx wagon on the basis of him being lurky.

[dramonic]

what hoopla said, really.

[Sajin]

The potential gain was to prove that claiming a numbered piece was not a stupid thing to do by showing reasons why each of the non-numbered would not want to claim. It was defense against allegations you put on me.

This is not even close to what scum would gain. Way to have your partners jump on my wagon to get me to back off. But I won't.

[AlmasterGM]

-Strongly disliking how EB has been just jumping onto other player's ideas and trying to use other players to justify his vote.

-I'll be happy with either AlmasterGM or EB being lynched today. Based on the rules, nobody need compromise on their preferred lynch candidates to accommodate a lynch over no-lynch.

So even if it means no-lynch, you aren't voting for anyone either than EB or myself?

[Sajin]

-Strongly disliking how EB has been just jumping onto other player's ideas and trying to use other players to justify his vote.

-I'll be happy with either AlmasterGM or EB being lynched today. Based on the rules, nobody need compromise on their preferred lynch candidates to accommodate a lynch over no-lynch.

So even if it means no-lynch, you aren't voting for anyone either than EB or myself?

Read the rules post?

[AlmasterGM]

-Strongly disliking how EB has been just jumping onto other player's ideas and trying to use other players to justify his vote.

-I'll be happy with either AlmasterGM or EB being lynched today. Based on the rules, nobody need compromise on their preferred lynch candidates to accommodate a lynch over no-lynch.

So even if it means no-lynch, you aren't voting for anyone either than EB or myself?

Read the rules post?

Am I reading it correctly when I read that even if we don't hit 7 votes, the person who has the most on the deadline dies?

[Sajin]

Thats what I understand. So the threat of no lynch is not warrented. Gorrad ignoring my concerns till deadline so I get lynched is.

[Gorrad]

As I said, Sajin, I think you're town. I think people are dead wrong in voting you. You're being kinda crazy-paranoid and seem to have a bit of an ego this game, but I'm not getting scum vibes from you.

Ortolan, what I'm seeing is that people unvoted him based solely on a vanilla claim. I find him no less scummy than I did when I voted for him. Either 1) He's town and scum unvoted him to try and lynch a power role instead 2) He's scum and his buddies are trying to shift as much attention from him as possible, I believe by throwing Sajin under the bus or 3) Town's just ADD. Personally, I think 2's the most likely.

[dramonic]

I don't have ADD <_<

[AlmasterGM]

Ortolan, what I'm seeing is that people unvoted him based solely on a vanilla claim. I find him no less scummy than I did when I voted for him. Either 1) He's town and scum unvoted him to try and lynch a power role instead 2) He's scum and his buddies are trying to shift as much attention from him as possible, I believe by throwing Sajin under the bus or 3) Town's just ADD. Personally, I think 2's the most likely.

If number 2 is true, why would they vote and then unvote? Doesn't that draw more attention than just not voting at all in the first place?