Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

[Budja]

Vote: GreenDude

, for having such a hard to read colour

[Budja]

unvote, vote Chamber

I agree that chamber is looking very scummy. The vote of semioldguy, the "I don't explain votes" are bad along with the initial bandwagon paranoia stick out the most to me.

[Budja]

If I do so regardless of alignment though it should be an irrelevent point

Its bad play as town (in most cases) and it is a meta that would help you as scum. So I don't care if it is your meta. Either give a good explanation of why you behave that way or don't expect my vote to move.

[Budja]

I think its L-2 BTW. No lynching yet

Your vote didn't match my criteria specifically enough, as you voted for being readable color rather than unreadable.

Dislike this, both vote reasonings are basically the same and it was obviously intended to provoke you for your earlier comment regardless. Why should it really make a difference in your eyes?

Note that I disagree with most of Socio's post.
Chambers L-3 comment did look like a typical scum-trying-to-look-town comment for one.

[Budja]

Whoops EBWOP

I think its L-2 BTW. No lynching yet

Your vote didn't match my criteria specifically enough, as you voted for being readable color rather than unreadable.

Dislike this, both vote reasonings are basically the same and it was obviously intended to provoke you for your earlier comment regardless. Why should it really make a difference in your eyes?

Note that I disagree with most of Socio's post.
Chambers L-3 comment did look like a typical scum-trying-to-look-town comment for one.

[Budja]

unvote

Thats one problem solved I guess.

For misrepresenting L-1 as L-2. Could have drawn an accidental quick-lynch without the hammer knowing they hammered.

I did say "I think", it wasn't a thorough count by any means.

I thought it would look like I was stretching my original intent and that would look bad. I didn't want to make an

additional excuse for a poor vote

.

Could you explain the bolded?

I'm fairly null on Greendude, awful reasoning but its feels more newbie than scummy to me.

[Budja]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 34#1879634

[Budja]

V/LA for two-three days from now

[Budja]

Just a note that I am back from V/LA. Will read and get a post in today.

[Budja]

OK, read 2/3 or so.

I really like Sociopath's 116 on chamber, exactly what I was trying to say.

Kirby is looking townish, I am finding myself agreeing with most of what he says.

The Budja case might seem good, but I'm not buying it.

This is looks off to me, (not because I was the one commented on ).

I really dislike semioldguy's attacks on Zazier, especially the "policy" one. Its just so illogical and hypocritical.

Chambers L-3 comment did look like a typical scum-trying-to-look-town comment for one.

Elaborate.

A newb-scum tell is for scum to be over-cautious about random votes in a effort to look pro-town.

vote:semioldguy

, mainly for your latest attack on Zazier which really makes your attempted pro-townish attitude look like a sham.

[Budja]

GDude, my original case against SOG is that he seemed like he was []building up to a vote on Zazie[/b], then, before I thought I town player should, he voted Zazie with no explanation attached in that one post. While none of these things are scummy individually, I think they are sufficient when combined, and my vote has been affirmed a couple times since it occurred. Other people will have to answer with their cases, since I can't speak for them.

Could you point out this "buildup"? I don't see it.

My case of SOG is basically his hypocrisy. He outright contradicts his given view on policy lynching and votes Zazie for no real reason.

Anyways, here's a question to everyone who voted charter: Why did you vote for him? I still have no idea why his lynching was turned into a policy lynch based solely on his playing style.

My aim was not a policy lynch, but pressure to get chamber to change his anti-town stance.

Null on Pomegranate post, her list is not informative but seems honest to me

[Budja]

What kind of explanation are you expecting?
I simply miscounted with the chamber votes, besides I was attempting to stop a possible lynch at least for the moment. If you see that as scummy, there not much I can do about it.
My lack of content, well I'll try to up that. I haven't got a great feel for this game yet.

Ok, maybe there was no buildup, but even if there wasn't, that makes it even more scummy.

Yes it does. That was my point

The first vote he places on Zazie looks like a pressure to get him to be active, rather than an attempt to get a lynch. And as for his supposed "hypocrisy"... I view that as an attempt to avoid saying that it's simply a pressure vote; after all, that would entirely remove its potentcy. Notice how he hints this with the phrase "I am a pressure vote guy though...".

That is a good point, I hadn't thought of that. However, it doesn't explain why semioldguy is still voting for Zazie and in fact pushing for his lynch for no good reason.

[Budja]

If I am lynched the rest of the town should force you to address every single self reminder you've been noting in the thread. In fact, you should probably address them all now so we can lynch you and save the town from my mislynch.

See this post ^ . SOG hasn't been strongly fighting for the lynch, but he

is

pushing it.

[Budja]

Demanding content would be better than posts. Josh can spent the most of his posts defending himself. IMO, that whole fuss over the random vote is a bit much.

[Budja]

It's the only thing he has to defend against, which is almost the only thing he does lately though.

That was my point and he seems to have picked up on it.

I wanted an explanation for his action. An explanation is what I got.

But what exactly about my explanation was ok or could I have just said any old thing? I wasn't exactly saying anything new.

And how do you know SoG is going for your lynch? You aren’t psychic, are you?

SoG is voting (or was) for Zazie. SoG has said a Zazie lynch would be good (see a couple of my posts back for the quote). So SoG is going for a Zazie lynch. Its pretty clear.

Is this basically what SOG and Zazie mean by their arguments?

I think so.

I hope this helps you both to stop arguing about this, and maybe team up to do some scumhunting.

Who is this directed at? You do know the case on SoG is a more than that issue don't you .

[Budja]

Ok, I can't say I am unhappy with a SoG lynch but Nacho is right. I really would have liked to hear from elvis first.

Anyway, here hoping for a scum-flip.

[Budja]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Misrep me much? I don't really like Snow's vote but I did want a SoG lynch and I am not unhappy with that.

FoS: Kirby

, for misrep.

[Budja]

Well that was very good jester play IMO. I am not unhappy with the lynch anyway, better to kill him earlier than later.

QFT. If SOG ends up being town, I think we should lynch Snow toMorrow.

So does the Jester flip change anything here?
Also could you explain how you agreed with me and then posted an opposing view.

[Budja]

My defending of Josh was an attempt to stop the, useless IMO, random-vote back-and-forth with Zazier as that seemed to be his main focus.
I was planning on unvoting chamber if he gave decent reasoning for his view or changed his mind. Replacing out was even better.

Kirby is now looking quite scummy. For one you haven't answered my questions.

I'm pretty sure that between Shanba and EK is one, and only one, scum

[...] but like I said, there's one scum there.

Why must one of them be scum?

[...] Josh just seemed scummy from his posts

First I've heard of this. Why didn't you mention this yesterday.

I am really getting the feeling Kirby is sitting on the sidelines of the EK, Shanba, Chibo debate ready to vote for the "scummiest".

I'm not seeing EK or Shanba as scum and I'm uncertain on Chibo. I'll have to read through the debate properly. (I've just skimmed for now).

vote Kirbyoshi

[Budja]

Looks like I've got a lot to read up on now . I've got quite a bit of work to do so i'll be posting less for a couple of days. I'll read and get a post out later tonight.

[Budja]

Ok, I guess I lied but heres a post now .

I think I explained in the post you quoted why one of them must be scum

No, you have explained why one of them

may

be scum. I fail to see why one

has

to be scum.

I have a question for you people: what did scum gain by snow_bunny's hammer?

A non-scum lynch.

*Also he said "null" on Pome's horrible waffle scumlist post.

It is null in my eyes. Not good play, but I cant see it as scummy as some of you seem to believe.

Page 1 greendude racism wagon. Chamber hatewagon. SoG jesterwagon. He gets on these easy wagons without even doing any hard work or attacking.

1. I was first (or close to) on the greendude wagon which was just a random vote anyway. Why bring this one up?
2. Chamber was an easy wagon but his playstyle was awfully anti-town.
3. I explained my case on SoG and was a fairly strong attacker (for my playstyle at least).

Just because my targets were "easy" doesn't mean its "scummy". I gave reasons

Do people think scum or town are more likely to want to lynch the jester?

Both.

Do you think SoG was acting like a jester? I actually thought he was town for a long time (lol). Certain things he did I consider scummy, like not wanting policy lynches and then going for one on zazie. But otherwise I thought he sounded sort of reasonable, atleast in the earlier posts.

He began acting town but began dropping scumtell after scumtell after chamber replaced. He didn't act like any jester I've seen before but he did act like scum.

Sorry for the brief post but the tags make it take twice as long.

[Budja]

I have limited time (uni net access only) and its hard to keep up with this game.

@mod, please replace me

, I'm sorry, I hate replacing but I simply don't have the time for this game anymore.