Mini 686 - Chess Mafia (Done)

[veerus]

IH, what's your response to Qf7?

[Indigo Heron]

Off the top of my head? Ng5 perhaps?

[Indigo Heron]

Yes, I meant Nxh7 as our previous plan, sorry.

I will stick by my move.

move: Nxh7

Hmmm. Don't you see the superiority of g4?

I do, but I see Nxh7 as being even more superior.

[ZazieR]

Wow, that was a ridiculously long night for what I think was basically a forced move.

Ok, our plan was Nxf7. My "secret" plan was g4 immediately. I'll bold that move tomorrow unless someone sees a problem with it. I don't see much reason to discuss all the consequences at this point unless you see a problem with a line. We should keep all of our threats close to the vest if we can. All they have to miss is one of them.

If someone points out a refutation that is obviously flawed, then don't explain why.

Nxh7>g4
It's that simple. I'll gladly point out why if needed.

Nxh7

[ZazieR]

i don't want to sac the knight now..

it's too early and way too unneccesary.. (at least i assume that you meant Nxh7 not Nxf7)

also, what's your response to 28. Nxh7 Qf7.. none are satisfactory and all stall our attack big time

move: g4

we need to force the issue now

g4 is fail to play at this point. Hint: Black pawn that stands at f4 right now.
Also, explain the bolded part (I know what 'saccing means', I want you to explain how Nxh7 will sac the knight, but g4 won't)

[ZazieR]

Yes, I meant Nxh7 as our previous plan, sorry.

I will stick by my move.

move: Nxh7

Hmmm. Don't you see the superiority of g4?

I'm pretty sure friday comes after wednesday (Days of posts my time). Why haven't you bolded your move, while you said you would?

[ZazieR]

IH, what's your response to Qf7?

Off the top of my head? Ng5

Fixed. No doubt needed.

[ZazieR]

Short summary:
Nxh7 is the winning move. g4 will start a new battle field at a different spot.

[veerus]

Wrong.

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 e6 4. Nf3 f5 5. exf5 exf5 6. Qe2 Be7 7. Nd5 Nb4 8. Nxb4 cxb4 9. d4 Nf6 10. Qc4 a6 11. Bd2 b5 12. Qd3 O-O 13. Qxf5 d5 14. Qd3 Ne4 15. g3 Bf5 16. Qb3 Nxd2 17. Kxd2 Be4 18. Re1 Kh8 19. Qe3 g5 20. Bd3 gxf4 21. Qe2 Bxd3 22. Qxd3 Bd6 23. Re6 Rf6 24. Ng5 Ra7 25. Qf3 Rf5 26. h4 Be7 27. Qd3 Qf8 28. Nxh7 Qf7 29. Ng5 Bxg5 30. hxg5 Kg8

And the attack is no more.

g4 is the way to go or we're going to play ourselves into a draw and force unnecessary lynches

[ZazieR]

Giving us the attack. If we do g4, it gives black the attack.
I can see how we can make the perfect attack in this situation.

Also, what happened to not discussing what black can do?

[Indigo Heron]

@veerus: Black thwarts White's attack, but gives White an even stronger attack. Your point is...?

[EmpTyger]

Sorry, internet disconnect + extra shifts. Also, there is no reason not to take the pawn first.

Move: Nxh7

[veerus]

the position above is vastly worse than one that would result from g4

[veerus]

@veerus: Black thwarts White's attack, but gives White an even stronger attack. Your point is...?

white doesn't have an attack anymore.. it's an even (and draw-ish) end-game

[Indigo Heron]

..but gives White an even stronger attack.

You didn't read this?

[Abstract Actuary]

You guys make me sad.

Move: g4

[veerus]

..but gives White an even stronger attack.

You didn't read this?

i did, and i strongly disagree. Show me an attack stronger than g4 which, AT WORST gets us a piece advantage going into the end-game

[ZazieR]

the position above is vastly worse than one that would result from g4

You can't see that Nxh5 leads to a white attack, while g4 leads to a black attack?

[ZazieR]

You guys make me sad.

Move: g4

Any reason why you didn't answer my question?
Also, explain why you didn't mention that Veerus showed why he thinks Nxh5 is flawed.

[ZazieR]

Veerus

, why haven't you answered the question in Post 1304?

[ZazieR]

Mod

- Can you prod the third scum, ah(and the numbers that follow)?

[veerus]

the position above is vastly worse than one that would result from g4

You can't see that Nxh5 leads to a white attack, while g4 leads to a black attack?

1. Nxh5 is invalid.. I assume you mean Nxh7 which, as I showed above, leads to nothing
2. g4 leads to us obtaining a material advantage in the WORST case
3. Nxh7 isn't a sac under the line i showed however it is a sac for your purposes since i'm assuming you expect the king to capture the knight (and losing a knight for a pawn is a sac.. and a poor one at that)

[ZazieR]

3. Nxh7 isn't a sac under the line i showed however it is a sac for your purposes since i'm assuming you expect the king to capture the knight (and losing a knight for a pawn is a sac.. and a poor one at that)

Ok, now I understand why you are ignoring my question: Your blind
See what that move leads to.
Also, I don't know if we'll gain material, but Nxh7 leads to a strong attack, which I don't see g4 doing.

[veerus]

what's the flaw with the line i showed then? show me how that leads to a stronger attack.. you and your scum-buddies are obviously trying to persuade everyone away from the better move and i would like the rest to see how wrong you are

mod: prod/replace mastin (probably replace based on Tar's comments in the MTG game)

[MafiaSSK]

what's the flaw with the line i showed then? show me how that leads to a stronger attack.. you and your scum-buddies are obviously trying to persuade everyone away from the better move and i would like the rest to see how wrong you are

mod: prod/replace mastin (probably replace based on Tar's comments in the MTG game)

I hadn't before?-goes to replace-