Mini 833 - Empire at War(The game is over?)

[Slicey]

Santos(6) - Kdub, Starbuck, Slicey, Knight of Cydonia, MacavityLock, zwetschenwasser

The Santos lynch is right interesting. Do we think that it was entirely town driven? As this is unlikely, it points to some Kdub and/or Starbuck scum.

Ooh, nice catch.

Vote: Starbuck

I don't think I've ever seen a wagon that did not have at least one scum on it. That means there's AT LEAST one scum between Starbuck and Kdub. I'm much more obviously inclined to think starbuck is scum.

[Slicey]

I think it's hysterical that Furry is going for me with such a weak case. I'm thinking that he thinks I'm a good wagon to explore because I called him out first, so therefore I'm putting my vote back on him because I do believe that he is scum.

Don't like this one bit. Way to completely downplay the case on you.

[Starbuck]

Where did I downplay it? Did you not read the rest of that post?


So you think there's one scum between me and Furry and that there's one scum between me and Kdub, and that I'm obviously it and there's no other choices?

Your case is growing weaker by the minute.

[Starbuck]

As I have said though, I don't mind being the lynch if it helps the town catch scum. I am only a Imperial Vanilla, not a power role or anything like that.

[Slicey]

I don't think it's obviously you. Look, there's gotta be at least one scum between you and Kdub. There has to be. I think you're more likely scum than Kdub. It's simply process of elimination + overall scuminess.

Also, nice early fake-claim.

[Starbuck]

Not a fake claim. Go ahead and keep pursuing my lynch and when I flip town because that's what I am, then the focus will be on you and Furry who are mercilessly pursuing my lynch.

[Starbuck]

You say you know my meta that you've played with me before. Go re-read the Twilight game.

[Slicey]

The focus won't be on me. >_>

I read the Twilight game. I was in it. I was scum. I was pushing your lynch for horrible reasons. Why? Because I was scum. This game, I have reasons to think you're scum.

[Starbuck]

And you just may be scum again pushing for my lynch right alongside Furry.

[zwetschenwasser]

I'm pretty sure there are such things as scum doublevoters.

[Slicey]

Yes, the day vig is scum. It makes perfect sense! Especially for him to kill the miller instead of leaving him alive to create tons of WIFOM.

C'mon, you didn't even think I was scum until I started attacking you. You need to learn that people that attack you are not always scum.

[zwetschenwasser]

When did I say I thought you were scum? Jumpy...

[Sajin]

@Kdub- I think it is completely true that I had a low amount of reason for when I first voted reckoner. But after more information came to light my confidence grew. Not to mention I completely understood kreriov's unconfidence as I had just finished playing a game where he had some important information and misused it causing him and another town power role to be put into a false 1v1 which ended up causing 2 MLes. So given that information I understood why he wanted to lynch someone else. But reckoner claimed a named role, no one else has. My confidence grew in my vote and just because I had a weaker reason for first voting does not mean that by the end of the day I had excellent reason. Not to mention there was zero reason why reckoner should of been agreeing with kreriov's plan. That and a named role- I was fairly confident in my vote by the end.

If you thought my vote was weak and I was using bad logic to push a lynch why did you not bring this up yesterday? You know, before we lynched scum.


@Zwett- While there are things as scum double voters, to put them in a mini is quite difficult to balance. My problem is that I have seen a ghost vote (and the mod in sign ups referred to this game being based on WoT mechanics) and not a double vote. I would consider a double voter to be likely town in a small game such as this given that I am fairly sure flavor is indicating we have 3 scum. Mauled sounds like chewbacca. Disagree?

@Mcavity- Can you show you have a double vote today? Please. It would ease my mind a lot.


Could someone tell me why zwet is obv town? I saw a few people giving one liners that say zwet is obv town. I have lost too many mafia games because the majority of us assumed someone is proved town by certain events.

[zwetschenwasser]

I agree that mauled sounds like Chewbacca.

[MacavityLock]

@Mcavity- Can you show you have a double vote today? Please. It would ease my mind a lot.

Why? I proved that I have that ability yesterday, and no one counter-claimed.

zwet, Slicey was obviously referring to Starbuck, not you. Also, show me a scum doublevoter, one who was under little pressure, and outed himself before LYLO, when said double-vote can be used for an auto-win.

[Sajin]

I agree that mauled sounds like Chewbacca.

I meant about the double voter. Do you disagree with that?


@Mcavity- You proved you could shadow vote not double. Its still possible for you to be able to double vote. All I am asking is that you show it. ok?

[MacavityLock]

@Mcavity- You proved you could shadow vote not double. Its still possible for you to be able to double vote. All I am asking is that you show it. ok?

Ah wonderful. Great job yesterday, zwet! It's permanent and unmovable for the day, so I refuse to use it right now.

[Sajin]

Ok, can you use it to hammer while your normal vote is already on whoever we lynch today? I just want to see a double vote.

Flavor wise it makes a ton of sense for Luke Skywalker to have a ghost vote in my opinion. So I want to make sure that I see a double vote (even if it is not in the vote count, I just want you voting the same person with your actual vote) and not a ghost vote. Do you see why I am asking this now?

[MacavityLock]

Ok, can you use it to hammer while your normal vote is already on whoever we lynch today? I just want to see a double vote.

I don't mind doing this.

[Slicey]

When did I say I thought you were scum? Jumpy...

I meant Starbuck. Don't ninja my posts. >______>

[zwetschenwasser]

I disagree, Sajin.

[Kdub]

Sajin:
I am saying that you did not make any real attempt to figure out which one of Reck/Krer was lying. You asked a couple questions, but you did not appear to use the responses to those questions to inform your opinion of them, nor did you follow up with arguments for or against either of them. If it weren't for your "let's see where this leads" vote on Reckoner, I would have had no idea which one of them you even suspected yesterday. As for not bringing it up yesterday, I guess I have to blame myself for not looking more closely at you and noticing that you were slipping by. I was mainly focused on MacavityLock and the whole Krer/Reck issue, and did not spend much time looking at you. After finding out their alignments and having Mac mostly confirmed, I looked at you in iso and saw how little you contributed to the Krer/Reck discussion.

[Sajin]

I pointed out the largest differences between the two of them. True I did not post an evidence list about why I was fairly certain of my choice, but that is because I wanted to see where everyone stood first. It is easier to catch other scum that way but no one ended up supporting the other side strongly.

When you get a 1v1 like that I find it useful to see who stays off the lynch while talking about. The entire day of yesterday you were leaning reckoner leaning reckoner leaning reckoner...but you never voted. Why is that?

Also what are your feelings on starbuck? What are your feelings on Zwett?

[xRECKONERx]

I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME, GADGET...

NEEEEXT TIIIIIIIIME!

/bah

[zwetschenwasser]

WTF? MOAR POSTING PLX