Newbie 841 - Game over!

[Tororingu-chan]

1. You are hardly "high" on it. You are barely scummy at all >.> Did you read my explanation of the positions?

ehehe no~ ^_^ I was referring to the thread as a whole.... it seems people suspect me, but they aren't sure why they do. o_O;;
I think it's because of ^_^_^_^_^_^

Eh, that's why I said "keep a single standard for it or don't use it at all" as my opinion on it. Either you use it equally across the board or not at all.

It's hard to have a single standard... everyone interprets plays differently... @_@;; But let's try not to make newbie mistakes at all!! d(^_^)b

Imo, his play would be classified as dumb play, but not necessarily scummy play. Some individuals are tentative by nature, so they are unlikely to push their ideas when there is anything even somewhat aggressive toward them. Then some experience mood swings that lead them to be aggressive toward their attackers and then they slip away again after the heat of the moment in a mix of embarrassment and self-doubt, etc, etc.

Mood swings? I guess I couldn't really expect any better than that... @_@;
I wish OMGLyncher were still here...

[RayFrost]

1. You are hardly "high" on it. You are barely scummy at all >.> Did you read my explanation of the positions?

ehehe no~ ^_^ I was referring to the thread as a whole.... it seems people suspect me, but they aren't sure why they do. o_O;;
I think it's because of ^_^_^_^_^_^

Eh, that's why I said "keep a single standard for it or don't use it at all" as my opinion on it. Either you use it equally across the board or not at all.

It's hard to have a single standard... everyone interprets plays differently... @_@;; But let's try not to make newbie mistakes at all!! d(^_^)b

Imo, his play would be classified as dumb play, but not necessarily scummy play. Some individuals are tentative by nature, so they are unlikely to push their ideas when there is anything even somewhat aggressive toward them. Then some experience mood swings that lead them to be aggressive toward their attackers and then they slip away again after the heat of the moment in a mix of embarrassment and self-doubt, etc, etc.

Mood swings? I guess I couldn't really expect any better than that... @_@;
I wish OMGLyncher were still here...

eh, gut is a pretty powerful thing.

i don't intend to.

you wish the flaker was still here? >.>" you'd not have any posts to respond to in the first place... <.<"

[Tororingu-chan]

I mean, I wish the flaker were still active... ^_^;
You can try to answer for him as best as you can, but it's not the same... replacements really suck... TT_TT

Gut is a funny thing, but I usually don't trust it @_@;

[RayFrost]

I mean, I wish the flaker were still active... ^_^;
You can try to answer for him as best as you can, but it's not the same... replacements really suck... TT_TT

Gut is a funny thing, but I usually don't trust it @_@;

Eh, I made an oath that I'd be active in all my games, so yeah. No worries for me... though I'm hurt that you think I suck

eh, mine is pretty good at finding thangs... usually.

[Tororingu-chan]

NoOooO0)sdsad~~!! I didn't mean you suck~ T^T
I'm sure we would have gotten along just fine if you weren't a replacement... if only we had met each other under difference circumstances... >_<;;

BUT WE CAN'T CHANGE THE PAST

[MiteyMouse]

Wow there is an awful lot of defending of others going on in here guys.

T-Chan, you defend H-Fitz and them me...why?
D-Note...you defend O-Lyncher...why?

H-Fitz...I am suspicious of you right now. However, I'm more focused on T-Chan.

so go do your rampaging while I do my thang. >.>

I had to quote that as, it is hiliarious!

My take on the newbie card. In my first game, I was encouraged to ask questions and stuff but, told that I only had Day 1 to use the newb card. I don't think that it should be used even that long on MS as, the Days are so long.

[DeathNote]

I am not defending OMG, I was defending RayFrost but my defense was simply on OMG's lack of play/noobiness. This was a mistake as pointed out by several others, Ray inculded.

[MiteyMouse]

Ok...why did you feel the need to defend Ray?

[DeathNote]

Because Ray was replacing in for someone who seemed noob scum. People were all over him and I was wanting to give him a chance. In the end, I am not defending him anymore. In fact, I am voting him.

What is your opinion on RayFrost?

[MiteyMouse]

So...you were defending someone who you did and still believe to be Scum? Why?

[DeathNote]

What? I was defending someone to give them a chance to respond so they wouldn't get lynched right off for what appeared to be a nooby mistake.


Now answer my question.. Do you think OMG was scum? If so, then Ray must be as well, correct?

[Tororingu-chan]

T-Chan, you defend H-Fitz and them me...why?

I'm not sure why you're still asking me... @_@;; I said I defend people who I do not believe to be scum... is there something that's not clear??

I don't recall defending you, however... >_<

[havingfitz]

H-Fitz...I am suspicious of you right now.

Really? Thanks for clarifying that. I wasn't sure what you meant by the vote you currently have placed on me

T-Chan, you defend H-Fitz and them me...why?

I'm not sure why you're still asking me... @_@;; I said I defend people who I do not believe to be scum... is there something that's not clear??

I don't recall defending you, however... >_<

I wondered the same thing. I went back to see where you had defended MM and couldn't find anything. MM is just throwing comments out with little or no value in them. As if to act engaged but not really contributing much. If anyone has looked over MM's posts I would like to know if they see anything other than mindless fluff.

@MM...you haven't answered two questions from me and one from DN.

Are you paying attention? <question #4

Mod...can we get a vote count?

[RayFrost]

Because Ray was replacing in for someone who seemed noob scum. People were all over him and I was wanting to give him a chance. In the end, I am not defending him anymore. In fact, I am voting him.

What is your opinion on RayFrost?

So... obviously, my defense of OMGl's terrible play was inadequate, and I have not proven my worth as town I knew my LoSes had no value.

oh, and I'm not sure if I did this or not, so I'm doing it here to make sure >.<

vote: PabloMolinero

not sure on the spelling

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

RayFrost - 4 (Tororingu-chan, PaltryExcuse, DeathNote, Albert B. Rampage)

havingfitz - 2 (Pablo Molinero, MiteyMouse)
Pablo Molinero - 1 (RayFrost)

Not Voting - 2 (havingfitz, ronnieroo)

5 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Thursday, October 1.

[Tororingu-chan]

magical kangaRoo - buddying up to OMGl, very poor defense constituting "he's a newbie!" I don't approve of the defense, and it seems like an attempt to seem pro-town when OMGl flips town and, thus, avoid suspicion. This is supported by the fact the kangaRoo has not made even a moderately decent defense of him, and the defense made is half assed.

Just checking on something...... you are suspicious of RonnieRoo because she defended OMGLyncher (you), who is town?? o_O;;

When did it start being scummy to defend town?? x_x;

[Tororingu-chan]

EBWOP: To clarify, "town according to you". Sorry for any confusion~ ^_^

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am comfortable with leaving RayFrost at L-1. I don't directly encourage a hammer although I am not against it because it could provide useful information.

[havingfitz]

magical kangaRoo - buddying up to OMGl, very poor defense constituting "he's a newbie!" I don't approve of the defense, and it seems like an attempt to seem pro-town when OMGl flips town and, thus, avoid suspicion. This is supported by the fact the kangaRoo has not made even a moderately decent defense of him, and the defense made is half assed.

Just checking on something...... you are suspicious of RonnieRoo because she defended OMGLyncher (you), who is town?? o_O;;

When did it start being scummy to defend town?? x_x;

Good observation.

RayFrost hassn't done enough sine he replaced in to change my mind.

I have low scum reads on all the people voting for RF while my top three suspects are sending their votes elsewhere. Seems like my odds (assuming my 'gut' is right) of hitting scum are decent.

Vote RayFrost

Good to see you again and maybe my next game you'll be in it from the start and not replace the biggest target.

[DeathNote]

And... that was the hammer.

[Tororingu-chan]

@_@ Oh the suspense...

[ronnieroo]

magical kangaRoo - buddying up to OMGl, very poor defense constituting "he's a newbie!" I don't approve of the defense, and it seems like an attempt to seem pro-town when OMGl flips town and, thus, avoid suspicion. This is supported by the fact the kangaRoo has not made even a moderately decent defense of him, and the defense made is half assed.

Just checking on something...... you are suspicious of RonnieRoo because she defended OMGLyncher (you), who is town?? o_O;;

When did it start being scummy to defend town?? x_x;

I think Ray means that he thinks I'm mafia defending town so that when he pops up town I'll look innocent.

[PaltryExcuse]

I think Ray means that he thinks I'm mafia defending town so that when he pops up town I'll look innocent.

I don't think Ray will pop up town, hence I don't think it is a when, but an if. This sounds like you're pretty sure Ray will flip town. I have to say this makes me a bit suspicious of you.

[ronnieroo]

I was trying to explain it from Ray's point of view, since either way he is going to claim he's town, I used a when.

[Tororingu-chan]

Oh, I'm well aware of what he

meant

to say~~ >_>;; I'm just saying that that's a dreadful and WIFOMy argument, much as I hate using that word... >_<;;

To clarify, everyone's first instinct is that defending a townie is a town thing to do. However, RayFrost flips that around and says it's scummy because it's a way of trying to

look

townie... >_>;; You can't really tell which it is, so it isn't indicative of either scum or town...

RayFrost seems to have had some experience, so I can't imagine him as a VT and then trying to paint his defending suspicious...?? @_@;;

Anyway, that's also why I am bewildered by Miteymouse accusing me of defending havingfitz... =_=; I am defending him, so what? I don't think he's scum and I would much rather see RayFrost lynched...