manho wrote:a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.
Isn't this kind of mindset a bit anti-discussion? Want to go into detail about why suspicion lists bother you?
good scum can always find a good way to jump on a bandwagon that is top in most people's LoS. and scum can always nk the one that is at the bottom of most LoS to get rid of the most pro-town player. i like LoS's when i was scum.
manho wrote:unvote, vote: tubby for asking for more post and more talk without actually giving them.
and to the question by yernab, i will do the exact same thing i would do as town. is the answer the same as meji? great mind think alike, or i'm just copying from meji. [serious]it is optimistic for all scum to act exactly the same as they will as town. and i don't think scum should do stuff that scum would do. i would go for the scumtell and lynch the scum but not thinking in the WIFOM cycle.[/serious]
What exactly is stuff that "scum would do?" The scum should be doing nothing suspicious in day anyhow. So I don't really get your point. And, how can there be a scumtell if you think scum behaves exactly like town? The difference between scum and town is that scum has extra information that it can let slip, not to mention a person who's actually town behaves exactly like town, while a person who is scum usually tries to act like town too hard (Overly pro-town, that either chases after a lynch like a hound or offers an analysis and then remains quiet, just joining bandwagons with a good reason.) That's good scum. Then you've got the silly scum that just tries to remain quiet and out of the picture, which people notice easily. Yeah, I'm looking at you, Tubby.
the "scum would do" things are just the normal scumtells, like bandwagoning without giving reasons. and did i actually say that "being pro-town is scummy"? i don't think so, but i label "being overly pro-town" and "trying hard to be pro-town" as scummy.
WrathofShadows wrote:
Anyone can post a smiley. Since we don't have the advantage of facial expressions or verbal emphasis, it makes it virtually impossible to figure the true meaning (town being nice vs. scum disguise)
FoS Manho.
I want to see what information i can gather from his response..
manho wrote:who is that "he"?
Wrath. If you want to see someones response and gather information from it, why would you tell them? Secondly, why a FoS? You could at least vote. Nobody's afraid of a FoS with no analysis. It says nothing.
Manho, what kind of response was that? You didn't even ask what exactly the point of that was.
you can't FoS someone without giving any reasons and think that he would respond to it, and i don't think wrath would be that stupid. so, i ask him if he really want to get respond from me.
yernab wrote:After reading EtherealCookie's analysis, I decided to look at manho's posts exclusively. If you're reading this, go ahead - at the bottom of the page, set the user to "manho" and see what you get. Although the bulk of EtherealCookie's analysis is aimed at tubby, who has been... rather unhelpful on the whole, manho's posts are even more devoid of substance. And he's an SE, too - if anything, he should be using the benefit of his experience to help us scumhunt. But so far, nothing.
So, until I get a response from manho explaining why he isn't helping us out more, I'm gonna
vote manho
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i'm a bit busy these days, no i'm very busy, and i can only access to MS after 2am, which is a bit late to me. but sorry for making so little posts.
Soyasushi wrote:Him being an SE, I believe we can find some meta from manho, so I'm going to check to see how he used to behave in games where he's scum or he's town.
the label people as SE too easily. i've finished 2 games only in MS, both being townie, and you can check them in my wiki.
First off, I'm going to state the obvious. Cookie, you're more than intelligent enough to sway pretty much any argument you choose to, i can see that just from the post you centered on my behavior. Now me personally, i act pretty much the same regardless of which side i'm on (which is to say the few games i've been in i've always attracted attention).
As for your "he's thinking ways around things" comment, that's just the way my mind works, so get used to it. it'll happen again in the future, i can guarantee that one.
I am wondering, however, why you'd come specifically after me in that post despite having more than enough information for speculation on at least two others.
I have meta on Tubby that shows he behaves like this as Town anyhow. I don't see why people are saying I have lots of information on him. I just quoted some stuff and wrote a one liner response. Manho is #2 most scummy for me. However, your posts just seemed scummy to me. I especially didn't like the first quote about "If I were mafia" comment catching attention. I also didn't understand why you announced you were trying to get a response out of Manho and then FoS'd him. If he knows your intent, and he's scum, it's not likely he's going to react heavily.
manho wrote:a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.
Isn't this kind of mindset a bit anti-discussion? Want to go into detail about why suspicion lists bother you?
good scum can always find a good way to jump on a bandwagon that is top in most people's LoS. and scum can always nk the one that is at the bottom of most LoS to get rid of the most pro-town player.
i like LoS's when i was scum.
please note the bolded
manho wrote:
Soyasushi wrote:Him being an SE, I believe we can find some meta from manho, so I'm going to check to see how he used to behave in games where he's scum or he's town.
the label people as SE too easily.
i've finished 2 games only in MS, both being townie,
or were you talkin about that other site cause i am a lil lost
F.O.S. manho
and yes it is a bit omgus'y
"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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manho wrote:a LoS is a bit anti-town imo, it provides target for scum to mislynch and kill.
Isn't this kind of mindset a bit anti-discussion? Want to go into detail about why suspicion lists bother you?
good scum can always find a good way to jump on a bandwagon that is top in most people's LoS. and scum can always nk the one that is at the bottom of most LoS to get rid of the most pro-town player.
i like LoS's when i was scum.
please note the bolded
manho wrote:
Soyasushi wrote:Him being an SE, I believe we can find some meta from manho, so I'm going to check to see how he used to behave in games where he's scum or he's town.
the label people as SE too easily.
i've finished 2 games only in MS, both being townie,
@manho are those games played like they are here? meaning day time is vote driven rather than say time driven?
that is to say the day ends here when a majority vote is cast,
time driven means you have 24hours and the player with the most votes is lynched.
and can you provide a link?
"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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tubby216 wrote:@manho are those games played like they are here? meaning day time is vote driven rather than say time driven?
that is to say the day ends here when a majority vote is cast,
time driven means you have 24hours and the player with the most votes is lynched.
and can you provide a link?
the same as here. link, and i was in game 20, 26, 27, 28, 32, 34-41, but most of the games are themed and it may be difficult to find a meta on me base on them. and i've forgotten in which games i was scum. (i can search for them if you really want)
"I swear tubby is scum in every game I've read, even some of the ones he wasn't in. "~Vi
"Whether you love him or hate him, Tubby is an excellent scumhunter."~BM
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That makes sense then. I don't believe this was a tell of any sort on manho's part now
On Cookie/Wrathofshadows
WrathofShadows definitely does have that OMGUS effect to it, as it seems to boil down to 'Your intelligent, but you like me best?' which is strongly not so helpful
more later
There is no problem so big it cannot be solved by an even bigger explosion
I admit that my vote is 25% retaliation. But still it strikes me odd that he's so focused on one or two people (mainly manho, tubby and me) which accounts for the other 75% of why i placed my vote the way i did. I've got three ideas for scum at this point.
@Zach- i'd like to hear more about your opinions on the subject, so far i've seen very little from you other than "i'm reading up" and "yea, that looks weird"
I haven't given reads on the others because A) I don't have time to closely analyze them currently (Wait until the weekend ) and B) Nothing they've said just from reading the thread over strikes me as odd, or C) They're not posting enough.
WrathofShadows wrote:I admit that my vote is 25% retaliation. But still it strikes me odd that he's so focused on one or two people (mainly manho, tubby and me) which accounts for the other 75% of why i placed my vote the way i did. I've got three ideas for scum at this point.
@Zach- i'd like to hear more about your opinions on the subject, so far i've seen very little from you other than "i'm reading up" and "yea, that looks weird"
I tend to try to keep my focus on a few people as well. I don't see why that is so problematic. If other players don't look scummy, you tend to not find much worth saying about them. In general noting that they look town to you is not a good idea either, hence you end up focusing on what looks off to you.
What subject do you want my opinions on? "The subject" is a bit vague.
Scum or town: I prefer town; you know less so it's more of a challenge.
EtherealCookie wrote:
WrathOfShadows
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WrathOfShadows wrote:The "If i were mafia" comment always seems bad to me since that will ALWAYS catch someone's attention in the worst way possible.
Already thinking about what might catch people's attention, and what might not?
So when you're town you don't proofread your posts to see if anything suspicious pops out at you?
EtherealCookie wrote:
WrathOfShadows wrote:@Meji-Manho didn't do anything suspicious, but that for me makes me suspicious. everyone says something to set someone else off at some point and i was just trying to see what reaction he'd have to it. Unfortunately, a brush-off isn't much of a tell one way or the other
So you know it isn't going to be a tell, yet you still see the need to see what reaction he'd have?
Where did he say he knew it wasn't going to be a tell? The brush-off was after Manho responded (or at least that's what Wrath implied).
EtherealCookie wrote:
Suppose there are a couple people that others seem suspicious about. The mafia may use that to their advantage to remove the competition without ever exposing themself/themselves.
THAT is my problem with using scumlists in the first place.
How are the mafia going to use that to their advantage? If they have no good reason for lynching someone, and are just joining a bandwagon, that really gives them away Day II. Now, if they NK suspicious people, more power to them. They just allowed us to turn our attention away from suspicious townies that are now dead.
The town creates the "reasons." The scum just have to grab on to those reasons and add a few of their own. Have you played as scum before? (Sorry if that was already answered)
EtherealCookie wrote:
WrathOfShadows wrote:I don't make a vote unless i have what i conceive to be concrete reason.
So basically, you're not going to try to get people to react, and get any responses?
The rest of you I haven't given a good look over yet, but will get to. However, as of currently...
Vote:WrathOfShadows
You seem like a smart guy. Yet you're keeping quiet and trying to stop discussions like scumlists from taking place, and aren't really making an attempt to find scum.
He never said he wasn't going to post.
Wrath was right, you were juggling his words.
) and B) Nothing they've said just from reading the thread over strikes me as odd, or C) They're not posting enough.