Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[Shrinehme]

/confirm

EtherealCookie, Far_Cry, Looker, nook, Sanjay are new to me. I'm familiar with everyone else; neat!

[Shrinehme]

Looking forward to it... hopefully we won't have as many dropouts as Newbie 813. Heh.

/confirm

/confirm

EtherealCookie, Far_Cry, Looker, nook, Sanjay are new to me. I'm familiar with everyone else; neat!

Well, meet your worst enemy

Well, meet your worst enemy's worst enemy!

Well, meet your best friend's mother's uncle's sister's former roommate's father!

I'm escared.

[Shrinehme]

Vote: BigBear

Because he's sneaky.

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@DeathRowKitty: Perhaps Sanjay found them so quickly because he knew them from the very beginning, in which case... he is indeed the fourth scum!

Plot twist!

Unvote

Vote: Looker

Most likely to have scum power role, yes.

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@DeathRowKitty: Perhaps Sanjay found them so quickly because he knew them from the very beginning, in which case... he is indeed the fourth scum!

Plot twist!

Unvote

Vote: Looker

Most likely to have scum power role, yes.

If you stated that.... Why are you voting Looker, and not Sanjay?

Looker is likely Godfather; Sanjay merely a Goon.
Silly questions are silly...

@Fry_Cry: Why are you my worst nightmare?
@IKing: Do you think BigBear was being too serious in Post 46?

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@DeathRowKitty: Perhaps Sanjay found them so quickly because he knew them from the very beginning, in which case... he is indeed the fourth scum!

Plot twist!

Unvote

Vote: Looker

Most likely to have scum power role, yes.

If you stated that.... Why are you voting Looker, and not Sanjay?

Looker is likely Godfather; Sanjay merely a Goon.
Silly questions are silly...

@F

a

y_Cry: Why are you my worst nightmare?
@IKing: Do you think BigBear was being too serious in Post 46?

Well, I am your worst nightmare becuase I am your worst nightmare's worst nightmare's best friend's mother's uncle's sister's former roommate's father!

Oh, I see.
Fay_Cry...?

But in all seriousness, my apologies for the name butcher.

[Shrinehme]

Shrinehme, I know in this instance you wouldn't, but as a general rule do you follow Lynch All Name Butchers?

No way! It'd be totally unfair if someone were stuck in a game full of players with incomprehensible names. The people with hard-to-spell names would always win as scum.

And it's not as though the internet has the convenience of, oh, say, a copy and paste option for text, after all...

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Oh, by the way, you are a total idiot nook. And I never new you were gay.

Are you trying to distance from nook by insulting him?! O:

Because that would be very sneaky: making each other look as though on opposite ends without

really

attacking each other.

Unless you're just insulting him because you think it's to be taken as a joke, or something?

Unvote!

Vote: Far_Cry

[Shrinehme]

Me.

[Shrinehme]

To be honest . . . . that's not that bad of a theory.

One thing holding me back: I've seen BigBear play as scum. He's competent, and voting No Lynch is horrible scum play.

It didn't occur to you that he intentionally voted himself and No Lynch in order to coax Scum into thinking he was an easy target gun for [And Far_Cry took the bait, notably]? T'was the first thing to pop into my head... but maybe I have a slight advantage from being more familiar with his play, and I shouldn't assume everyone should recognize the same?

I don't have much to say about Looker's points, other than that BigBear voting No Lynch doubtfully had anything to do with my three random votes [yes they were "the most", but still....

three

, no where near the majority vote needed]. Aside from that, the progression of events were just... convenient/coincidental/ect.

[Shrinehme]

If Far_Cry took the bait, why is BigBear voting for you?

I'm not psychic... that was just my take on BigBear's actions. He may have a completely different agenda.

[Shrinehme]

So you don't feel as if this is a bus for future reference? (Distancing?)

So... you think Far_Cry is bussing BigBear? I don't really see it... what makes you think that?

@EtherealCookie

: What do you think of BigBear's recent posts?

[Shrinehme]

So you don't feel as if this is a bus for future reference? (Distancing?)

So... you think Far_Cry is bussing BigBear? I don't really see it... what makes you think that?

@EtherealCookie

: What do you think of BigBear's recent posts?

What I was throwing out in Post 110 was in regard to you, Shrinehme.

So... for clarification, you think BigBear is bussing me?

No, I don't feel that it's a bus. I am not Scum, let alone aligned with him. I don't really see how his vote could even be interpreted as a bus.

So you don't feel as if this is a bus for future reference? (Distancing?)

So... you think Far_Cry is bussing BigBear? I don't really see it... what makes you think that?

@EtherealCookie

: What do you think of BigBear's recent posts?

Me bussing BigBear? How could anyone know that BigBear and I are scum by page 5? Psychic?

And by the way, how am I bussing him just by putting a vote on him?

That's what I thought, Far_Cry. I mistook Looker's Post 110 to be referring to you busing BigBear. Didn't make sense to me.

Looker is likely Godfather; Sanjay merely a Goon.

I don't know how he knows a godfather even exists. Honestly, half the posts in this thread aren't serious.

I... don't. It wasn't serious. <_<
Please don't take any post of mine before Post 97 seriously.

I'm just jumping on the Shrinehme bandwagon because I don't get good vibes from him.

How vague.

[Shrinehme]

How vague.

Not very vague if you read the rest of my post .

The rest of your post contains comments referring to other players, and the one comment that I already showed you was misinterpreted.

You never explained from where your "bad vibes" come from, is what I mean. You gave nothing else for me to refute or explain, so I think it's vague.

[Shrinehme]

What is a L-2 going to do right now anyhow?

You tell me; you're the one to initiated it. <.<

Do you expect me to freak out or claim role or something?

[Shrinehme]

I'd love to know your reasoning for that. Being a useless townie must mean you're scum, right?

Being useless means having no initiative to scum-hunt, or distracting from scum-huting.

And since the town's win condition relies on hunting scum, while scum's does not... it makes a scum tell.

[Shrinehme]

Brothernature, I see that you are not voting [I can observe too!]. Does everyone so far look Innocent to you?

[Shrinehme]

DRKitty already pointing to Idiotking... I'm all out.

... Well, Far_Cry last posted back in page five, and he's been posting elsewhere since then, but Peabody already has a long post waiting for him.

You have to share.

[Shrinehme]

What are your thoughts on EtherealCookie?

[Shrinehme]

Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy

Why?
I mean, there's decent grounds for it. EtherealCookie's play has been extremely outlandish. It initiates sure WIFOM, sure, but I don't see how it would tell scum. If someone hadn't brought it up by now, I would have.

We should note it if EtherealCookie flips Scum though. I could see a one protecting a partner with "What If Jester?"

[Shrinehme]

Which posts made by you were NOT seriously intended?

Pre-Post 97 ware all not serious, and Post 97 was intended to be moderately lighthearted yet more serious-ish than my previous posts.

Unvote

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Post 97 – So the reason behind your vote is? (

Shrine

)

Far_Cry's insults looked more like strategic distancing than genuine emotion.

Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,

Shrine

?

Wanted to hear more from EtherealCookie.

Post 107 – Which is why Bear’s vote after the no-lynch was for you and not for FC? Why didn’t you address this vote from Bear when you thought he was trying to catch scum by voting no-lynch?
Actually, talking about this, how come you didn’t even ask anything about it?
You giving him a way out is also noted. (

Shrine

)

He didn't back up his vote, so it was clear he wasn't planning to go anywhere with it.

Re-phrase the first question?

No, I don't feel that it's a bus. I am not Scum,

let alone aligned with him

. I don't really see how his vote could even be interpreted as a bus.

Oh? How do you know?
Also, how come you did comment on EC’s vote against you, but not Bear’s vote against you?

You're interpreting it wrongly. "Aligned" as in, being partnered with him via role [scum partners, ect.].

I commented on EtherealCookie's vote because he put forth a reason for his vote. BigBear gave me nothing to comment on.

Post 250 – Why the unvote,

Shrine

?

I'm not interested in pursuing Far_Cry's/your lynch.

[Shrinehme]

EBWOP

Bringing up the idea of a jester, is actually scummy

Why?

-Good way to lynch a player who says stupid things.
-Jester discussion is a distraction from scumhunting, which is good for scum.

To the former, placing forth the possibility x is a Jester when their actions are scummy would be used to

deter

their lynch, [e.g. "No, x just looks like a Jester to me. Y looks like actual scum; let's lynch him."] no?

Latter makes sense.

[Shrinehme]

Post 97 – So the reason behind your vote is? (

Shrine

)

Far_Cry's insults looked more like strategic distancing than genuine emotion.

How?

Seemed unprovoked. I see little purpose for this tidbit thrown into his post: "Oh, by the way, you are a total idiot nook. And I never new you were gay." ... other than to start an argument with Nook, which could have strategic distancing value.

Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,

Shrine

?

Wanted to hear more from EtherealCookie.

My reason for asking was more for the Bear part. Your vote was against Far_Cry at that moment. Yet, instead of asking EC what his opinion is of your top suspect (which was based upon you thinking he was distancing with Nook), you asked him about Bear. So why not one of your top suspicions?

It's unfair to say Far_Cry could be called a "top suspect" of mine at that point. I did not analyze everyone's behavior up until that point and think he was most suspicious. The vote was thrown his way casually based on a mere observation/possibility.

Post 107 – Which is why Bear’s vote after the no-lynch was for you and not for FC? Why didn’t you address this vote from Bear when you thought he was trying to catch scum by voting no-lynch?
Actually, talking about this, how come you didn’t even ask anything about it?
You giving him a way out is also noted. (

Shrine

)

He didn't back up his vote, so it was clear he wasn't planning to go anywhere with it.

Re-phrase the first question?

Your thoughts were that he was trying to draw scum out by voting no-lynch. But instead of voting the one who voted him for voting no-lynch, he voted you. Meaning, your thoughts were wrong. Yet, you didn't ask anything about it at all. Why?

Didn't feel a need to do so. After he'd voted me I couldn't tell whether he was gambiting or taking advantage of RVS, or whatever.
Should I have?
Can you elaborate on "You giving him a way out is also noted."?

No, I don't feel that it's a bus. I am not Scum,

let alone aligned with him

. I don't really see how his vote could even be interpreted as a bus.

Oh? How do you know?
Also, how come you did comment on EC’s vote against you, but not Bear’s vote against you?

You're interpreting it wrongly. "Aligned" as in, being partnered with him via role [scum partners, ect.].

I commented on EtherealCookie's vote because he put forth a reason for his vote. BigBear gave me nothing to comment on.

Not buying your explanation. The only roles that are connected are: Masons/neighbours, lovers, scum and cult.
Of which the first two don't bus, you say you're not scum and cult isn't possible now. I don't see the reason why you'd point the bolded out.

You're reading too far into the wording of the post then. It is poorly worded.

Post 250 – Why the unvote,

Shrine

?

I'm not interested in pursuing Far_Cry's/your lynch.

What changed?

Tone of the game. My vote for him is nice for reaction-searching in RVS/early post-RVS. Not something to follow up with a lynch based off of.

[Shrinehme]

I think that the argument is over a small detail that's pretty trivial in the first place.

@BigBear & IdiotKing: Are you still happy with your current position on the Cookie wagon?

Nothing's changed to make me reconsider my vote. I prefer getting rid of useless people first so they don't screw things up later when we're in more dire situations.

Brothernature also fits that description, no? What makes EtherealCookie appeal to you more?

Vote: Brothernature

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Seemed unprovoked. I see little purpose for this tidbit thrown into his post: "Oh, by the way, you are a total idiot nook. And I never new you were gay." ... other than to start an argument with Nook, which could have strategic distancing value.

It seemed unprovoked? Did you actually see Nook's comment to him? He was provoked.
[teach]These posts show how dangerous sarcasm can be if you don't like to be insulted[/teach]

I read it. I disagree. I wouldn't have been set off by Nook's post.

Post 115 – Why ask EC about Bear,

Shrine

?

Wanted to hear more from EtherealCookie.

My reason for asking was more for the Bear part. Your vote was against Far_Cry at that moment. Yet, instead of asking EC what his opinion is of your top suspect (which was based upon you thinking he was distancing with Nook), you asked him about Bear. So why not one of your top suspicions?

It's unfair to say Far_Cry could be called a "top suspect" of mine at that point. I did not analyze everyone's behavior up until that point and think he was most suspicious. The vote was thrown his way casually based on a mere observation/possibility.

Still doesn't explain why you asked about Bear, instead of the player who you were voting.

BigBear's No Lynch vote and Shrinehme vote were fresh, relevant and discussable. Just the first person who came to mind.

You seem to be under the impression that I should be asking other people for the thoughts of who I'm voting. Which is what one should do

if

they're trying to push for someone's lynch, in order to try to sway people to see your line of thinking, or at the very least, gain information.

But given that, as I already told you, I wasn't actually pushing for Far_Cry's lynch; that my Far_Cry vote was really more of a casual or RVS-ish vote, why does it matter whether I'm getting EtherealCookie's opinion of BigBear or Far_Cry? As I said also, my goal wasn't really to get opinions of BigBear; rather just to get EtherealCookie to join in the discussion and talk more. Information is yielded either way.

You should have. Your impression was that Bear was trying to lure out scum by acting scummy. Yet, you later found out that this wasn't the case. I'm surprised that you didn't question his motives due to that.
Also, is self-voting scummy or not?

Elaboration: You gave an explanation why Bear could act like that, before Bear could explain, giving him an excuse if he needed it.

Self-voting varies. In the game a played with IdiotKing before I dropped out, for example, he began to martyr-ize himself ["just lynch me already and see I'm town", or something like that] when it began to look like he was going to be lynched. He consequently flipped town.

Self-voting doesn't benefit the Town, but it's not an alignment tell; a person can get frustrated and give up regardless of their alignment.

It seems silly to hold "giving him a way out" against me when a person who votes No Lynch as he did is either 1) a noob, 2) gambiting in some form, or 3) generating discussion. Since the former doesn't apply to BigBear, I doubted he would dig himself into a ditch without knowing already how he was going to get out of it.

It did cross my mind that I may have been giving my thoughts too soon, but I dismissed it.

What changed?

Tone of the game. My vote for him is nice for reaction-searching in RVS/early post-RVS. Not something to follow up with a lynch based off of.

When did this occur (The change of the tone)?

The game took a more serious turn around page 6. I did want to include a Vote: Brothernature in Post 173, but I didn't want to give up the Far_Cry vote at the time. Because 1) I didn't want it to seem as though I dismissed him, and 2) he'd fell off of the radar after some vote piled onto him..
The time you replaced in, I decided to take it off. Your post 242 [which I quoted] prompted me to look for a better vote.

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@Mod

: In the last three vote count, you've had BigBear both voting and not voting... Heh.

I sure as hell, would have commented on that, and probably placed a vote on Nook specifically for the Jester comment

I really don't get this.
I mean, we've established that Jester discussion is more of a distraction than helpful, but I'm not seeing why people seem to go gung ho over who

started

the discussion. It's a lame excuse to rush after someone. It doesn't tell scum to me.

The only way that I can imagine it would tell scum is if someone were deliberately and constantly harping on Jester possibilities so much to the point where he made it become the center of conversation and it became a huge distraction. I don't see how "bringing it up" is a big deal. Which is why I'm not understanding why ConfidAnon is going with DRK so far for... merely

hinting

at the Jester... or whatever he did. Who cares?

So, Confid, why push this? Do you really think that DRK made such a significant tell that he's worth tunneling on? What about Nook, who also
brought up Jester?

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leaning town

-EC

Could you elaborate more on this Zazie? What about EtherealCookie makes you think he's Town?

[Shrinehme]

Why did you vote BN?

Lurking, and no scum hunting initiative [when he did post, at least; gave us little in the way of thoughts, responses, ect.]. Leaving around people who won't let you get a read on them isn't wanted. Clearing out the useless players early is optimal.

Will get to the other posts tomorrow, hopefully. Sorry for the lagging, guys.

Welcome, Knight of Cydonia and don_johnson.