Mini 815 - Lazy Neighborhood Mafia (Game Over)

[Iecerint]

EBWOP: Missed the other part of your question. I didn't decide that Y wasn't scum until this page, so the pieces of the puzzle hadn't come together yet.

[Sajin]

Interesting. While I agree that K7 could be scum based on play and interactions he is unlikely scum to me based on role. Although I think Iec is clear because he would of hammered me if he were scum (then again thats not true for the rest of you, only from my own viewpoint knowing I am town). This did not really change my opinion much overall but it should help the last town member. Iec cannot be scum unless it is with me should be apparent to the rest of you.

Amished is fence sitting on his theory of K7s alignment. Yet, called me scum and Iec scum and Y likely town. Can you at least add some points together that some of each point both directions? I would like to know your thought process here.

And no Amished, I said that Iec and myself would likely end up voting together as I saw you and Y sharing a lot of viewpoints. Made a lot of sense at the time at least to me. I am not sure if your obviously trying to turn Y away from Iec or your just misremembering facts here.

I would not say I continuously called for your lynch, Iec. But I assuredly pointed out the assassinated flavor and such and was speculating about a SK before you claimed one shot vig.

I am fine with a K7 vote/lynch but I would like to hear from him first (Incoming Y claiming I am stalling)

[Iecerint]

Page 20 was still D1. Our relationship was like this:

Iec: Umm, Sajin, why are you failing to listen to reason on falko?
Sajin: IEC IS OBVSCUM FOR DEFENDING FALKO LYNCHPLZ.

Doesn't sound like scumbuddies to me.

I'll admit that your result on K7 is a potential problem, but it probably just means that Drake was submitting the kills rather than K7. This also jives with the Mod putting N3 on hold to replace DTF. [/outguessingthemod]

[Y]

I claimed shortly after day started (Lazy Townie).

People seem to miss a point, which drove me to conclude Sajin is town. Ami seems to be the one to really not get it:
We are in LYLO. Why would one mafioso try to bus his partner so he'd be cleared the next day, when it's easier to lynch a townie and win?
To lynch your partner, you have to convince two townies in a Mexican standoff state. All of that just to get to the next day, when you might get lynched anyway. To lynch a townie, you have more targets to chose from, and you need to convince only one townie. The choice is clear.

Town Sajin says the truth, which means K7 didn't kill, but he's probably scum (We're assuming Sajin isn't).
Scum Sajin would've lied, so K7 would take the fall, wining mafia the game. No reason for scum Sajin to clear K7, unless he's his partner, which is most unlikely.

[Sajin]

@Iec- I suppose I did day 1. I was remembering day 2.

Ok so I suppose Y is not partners with K7. Therefore I really think the safest lynch is Amished. But, if Iec wants to lynch K7 over Amished I am down with that. I agree that Amished K7 is the likeliest pairing.

Apologies Y, but you did vote me and so did Amished. Its still quite possible you 2 are together from my point of view. 2nd likely pairing to me.

[Y]

Totally understandable. No hard feelings.

[Sajin]

There will be if you and amished are the pair. Very much so. Heh.

[Tarballs]

2nd Vote Count of Day 4

1 - Sajin

(Amished)

1 - killa seven

(Iecerint)

3 - Not Voting

(killa seven, Y, Sajin)


With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch.

Deadline: October 11th, 2009

Amished's V/LA has been noted.

[Iecerint]

Y -- you've said the following things:

Given Iecscum, Sajinscum.
Given Sajinscum, not K7scum.

What do you think about these statements:

Given Sajinscum, Iecscum.
Given Sajinscum, Amiscum.
Given K7scum, Amiscum.
Given K7scum, Sajinscum.
Given Amiscum, K7scum.

[Y]

I didn't say the first one, or if I did, here's what I think now:
Either Sajin or K7 is scum. Not Both.
Either Iec or Ami is scum. Not Both.
Sajin and Ami are not both town.
Sajin is town.
Ami is scummier than Iec.
Ami and K7 as a pair seems better than any other pairing.

My conclusion is that the most probable scum are K7 and Ami.

I also thought about the "assassination", and maybe it was meant to throw us off, like the GF with no real cop.

[Iecerint]

This is the post I was drawing from for the first:

If Iece is scum, Sajin must be too. Iece was thinking that Sajin is a PR, so if he was scum and Sajin isn't, Sajin would've been killed by now.

I agree with the points you made in that post.

[Iecerint]

Sajin and Ami are not both town.
Sajin is town.

In other words, "Ami is scum"?

I think K7-Sajin is more probable than Ami-Sajin.

[Y]

Forgot about it.

I think K7-Ami.

[Iecerint]

Yep, me too. I was just explaining why I'd rather lynch K7 than Ami (even though I think Ami is scummier than K7).

[Y]

I'm thinking about taking the chance and voting K7. Any one has some pros or cons?

[Sajin]

I would be willing to lynch K7 although I would perfer a Amished lynch as I think amished/someone is scum for sure. Although Amished/K7 makes a lot of sense, I find the fact that all 3 of us are agreeing on that disturbing.

I would perfer hearing from K7 again before L-1. Thats just me though. I know your a little more impulsive.

[Iecerint]

I agree that

hearing from K7 would be nice.

If we're correct about Ami-K7, then it shouldn't be totally weird that the rest of us agree on it. Ami says nice things about K7.

[Y]

Mod: Can K7 be prodded? I don't believe he'll post in the next 50 minutes.

[Tarballs]

Done.

[Y]

Thanks.

[Y]

I'm giving K7 24 hours.

[Iecerint]

Waiting for K7 makes for a dull game innit. I suppose we're almost there.

[Sajin]

K7 and amished need to post. I know amished is gone for the weekend but still.

[Y]

I checked, and without both Sajin and Iec being PRs, town PRs won't cover the whole neighborhood. Just something to consider.

K7 has less than three hours.

[Iecerint]

What do you mean by that first sentence, Y? Are you overlooking that exactly 2 of the unconfirmed slots are scum slots?