Mini 848 - Second String Muppets Mafia - Game Over.

[elvis_knits]

Well, charter did hit scum N1, so in that sense, his play was not bad. I'm having a hard time understanding the rest of his play though.

And I guess EL was an insane or paranoid cop? That's unexpected in a mini.

One of the reasons I think snix is the scummiest is that he already said something like maybe EL is insane cop. Which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to guess. But if you're scum you know that's probably the case if EL and DDD are not on your team. Also, I think snix has the strongest ties to ML... how he attacked ML and Ecto and voted ecto over ML.

I hate no lynching, but this is probably one of the those situations where it could be good. Even number alive. And we're probably at lylo assuming 2 scum left. So we basically have to lynch right today or do a no-lynch and hope for some info overnight.

[MonkeyMan576]

Well, charter did hit scum N1, so in that sense, his play was not bad. I'm having a hard time understanding the rest of his play though.

And I guess EL was an insane or paranoid cop? That's unexpected in a mini.

One of the reasons I think snix is the scummiest is that he already said something like maybe EL is insane cop. Which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to guess. But if you're scum you know that's probably the case if EL and DDD are not on your team. Also, I think snix has the strongest ties to ML... how he attacked ML and Ecto and voted ecto over ML.

I hate no lynching, but this is probably one of the those situations where it could be good. Even number alive. And we're probably at lylo assuming 2 scum left. So we basically have to lynch right today or do a no-lynch and hope for some info overnight.

I don't like no-lynches, especially when someone who hasn't claimed calls for one. The call for a no lynch seems very self serving coming from Ecto, although I agree Snix is worth looking at.

[Ectomancer]

A No Lynch is simple math.

Right now we have likely 4 town 2 scum. We hit town and scum kill tonight and we lose. Chance of us hitting scum is 1/3 - 33%
We know charter was indeed a compulsive vig and is now dead, so little worries of a 2nd night kill. No lynch, scum kills tonight and we have 3 town 2 scum. Chance of hitting scum is now 40% based upon raw numbers alone.

Elvis, I also mentioned sanity. That PGO claim opened a can of possibility. I don't now know whether the issue was sanity or some kind of redirect of the investigation, because DDD wasnt some kind of miller watcher.

I think we see who isn't here before following down too many roads of speculation. In fact, I think this is one time when we keep our opinions to ourselves. No sense in letting scum decide which opinion set suits them best to keep around.

vote No Lynch

I'm prepared for calls fo scum by calling for an end to conversation, just be prepared to explain why my statement above isn't the best path. Numbers call for No Lynch, and though more information for town is generally good, in this case it is scum that is about to have to make a decision on imperfect information. We shouldnt make it easier.

[Snix]

Well, charter did hit scum N1, so in that sense, his play was not bad. I'm having a hard time understanding the rest of his play though.

And I guess EL was an insane or paranoid cop? That's unexpected in a mini.

One of the reasons I think snix is the scummiest is that he already said something like maybe EL is insane cop. Which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to guess. But if you're scum you know that's probably the case if EL and DDD are not on your team. Also, I think snix has the strongest ties to ML... how he attacked ML and Ecto and voted ecto over ML.

I hate no lynching, but this is probably one of the those situations where it could be good. Even number alive. And we're probably at lylo assuming 2 scum left. So we basically have to lynch right today or do a no-lynch and hope for some info overnight.

I believed DDD's claim and read the wiki article for Sam the Eagle. It was possible that I was wrong but if anyone was going to be an insane cop it would have been sam. Since names seem to be linked to rolls I think it might help if we all name claimed.

I am Hilda.

[elvis_knits]

No lynch is only good if we have a power role left that can get us more info. We've had a lot of power roles die. Watcher, cop, vig. We have to have something left that can get us results, and hope that scum don't NK it.

Otherwise we're just giving scum a free kill, and we'll be in this same situation with one less townie.

Although sometimes people argue that even that is good for us since we can eliminate that person as scum. But I don't think that really holds water since scum are going to kill an unscummy townie anyway.

That's basically what ecto is saying that our odds of hitting scum are higher tomorrow. But not really if scum kill a person we weren't suspicious of anyway.

[elvis_knits]

Well, charter did hit scum N1, so in that sense, his play was not bad. I'm having a hard time understanding the rest of his play though.

And I guess EL was an insane or paranoid cop? That's unexpected in a mini.

One of the reasons I think snix is the scummiest is that he already said something like maybe EL is insane cop. Which is something I wouldn't expect anyone to guess. But if you're scum you know that's probably the case if EL and DDD are not on your team. Also, I think snix has the strongest ties to ML... how he attacked ML and Ecto and voted ecto over ML.

I hate no lynching, but this is probably one of the those situations where it could be good. Even number alive. And we're probably at lylo assuming 2 scum left. So we basically have to lynch right today or do a no-lynch and hope for some info overnight.

I believed DDD's claim and read the wiki article for Sam the Eagle. It was possible that I was wrong but if anyone was going to be an insane cop it would have been sam. Since names seem to be linked to rolls I think it might help if we all name claimed.

I am Hilda.

So you want people to name claim to try to figure out their roles?

!!!

vote snix

[MonkeySudo]

^This

Unvote
Vote: Snix

Still very suspicious of Ecto though.

[Snix]

Or, elvis, so I can figure out who is scum?

You yourself just said that we don't have any power rolls left. ]

We are not in a situation to be hasty or quick with voting.

[MonkeyMan576]

Sorry, alt

Unvote:
Vote: Snix

[MonkeyMan576]

Or, elvis, so I can figure out who is scum?

You yourself just said that we don't have any power rolls left. ]

We are not in a situation to be hasty or quick with voting.

But you were pretty hasty in asking for a mass claim.

[Snix]

Think about it, no lynch doesn't hurt town. Especially when we are a confused town. It prevents us from mislynching and gives us more to go on the next day. Scum want a lynch so long as it doesn't involve them.

[MonkeyMan576]

Think about it, no lynch doesn't hurt town. Especially when we are a confused town. It prevents us from mislynching and gives us more to go on the next day. Scum want a lynch so long as it doesn't involve them.

Scum would also favor a no lynch if a potential lynch does involve them. All these mass claim or no lynch gimmicks rather than talking about suspects and figuring out who is scum is rather scummy IMHO.

[Snix]

Or, elvis, so I can figure out who is scum?

You yourself just said that we don't have any power rolls left. ]

We are not in a situation to be hasty or quick with voting.

But you were pretty hasty in asking for a mass claim.

What? Really? Thats what you have. Town needs information, Scum right now is sitting pretty. To help town any information is helpful.

[Snix]

Think about it, no lynch doesn't hurt town. Especially when we are a confused town. It prevents us from mislynching and gives us more to go on the next day. Scum want a lynch so long as it doesn't involve them.

Scum would also favor a no lynch if a potential lynch does involve them. All these mass claim or no lynch gimmicks rather than talking about suspects and figuring out who is scum is rather scummy IMHO.

Defending myself is scummy? Since when.

[MonkeyMan576]

Think about it, no lynch doesn't hurt town. Especially when we are a confused town. It prevents us from mislynching and gives us more to go on the next day. Scum want a lynch so long as it doesn't involve them.

Scum would also favor a no lynch if a potential lynch does involve them. All these mass claim or no lynch gimmicks rather than talking about suspects and figuring out who is scum is rather scummy IMHO.

Defending myself is scummy? Since when.

Defending yourself by asking for a mass claim is scummy.

[Snix]

Think about it, no lynch doesn't hurt town. Especially when we are a confused town. It prevents us from mislynching and gives us more to go on the next day. Scum want a lynch so long as it doesn't involve them.

Scum would also favor a no lynch if a potential lynch does involve them. All these mass claim or no lynch gimmicks rather than talking about suspects and figuring out who is scum is rather scummy IMHO.

Defending myself is scummy? Since when.

Defending yourself by asking for a mass claim is scummy.

See point about information.

[elvis_knits]

No, this is BS snix.

We either nolynch without giving any more info to the scum (no massclaim!) or we massclaim and go balls out today for the lynch.

I think either way could be good, but you're starting a massclaim before we decide which option we want to do. That's F-ing scummy.

Also, triggering a massclaim by asking people for role claims is unbelievably underhanded.

[Snix]

So, wait. Massclaim is not scummy when it's your idea but is scummy when it's mine?

Now that is BS.

[Ectomancer]

Hold on there honcho, before you start smack talking Snix over claims, let's take a look at Monkey. I forgot to ask this in a previous post. How the hell do you get to where we've

ever

needed a claim from me, and how would my lack of one disqualify me from calling for a no lynch?

I don't like no-lynches, especially when someone who hasn't claimed calls for one.

The call for a no lynch seems very self serving coming from Ecto, although I agree Snix is worth looking at.

Who is pushing for claims here?

[Ectomancer]

Ok, I can't help it.

Pro-town - No Lynch in order to mathematically improve odds. In hand with this goes a no information clause.

Monkey is opposed to a No Lynch, despite a valid logical and mathematically provable case for it.

Pro-town - Deciding to use 4 town voices against 2 scum, rather than 3 vs 2 tomorrow. Decision must be made correctly or we lose. All possible information must be divulged today and now, including a mass claim.

Despite being against a No Lynch that would improve town's odds, Monkey is also against divulging all information in order to improve our odds of making a good decision.

In other words, Monkey is siding with the best scum scenario.

Snix on the other hand, is trying to both support a No Lynch

and

get a mass claim going.

You two are being seriously anti-town. You need to shape up and be seriously awesome instead. Just vote No Lynch and stop chattering.

[MonkeyMan576]

Ok, I can't help it.

Pro-town - No Lynch in order to mathematically improve odds. In hand with this goes a no information clause.

Monkey is opposed to a No Lynch, despite a valid logical and mathematically provable case for it.

Pro-town - Deciding to use 4 town voices against 2 scum, rather than 3 vs 2 tomorrow. Decision must be made correctly or we lose. All possible information must be divulged today and now, including a mass claim.

Despite being against a No Lynch that would improve town's odds, Monkey is also against divulging all information in order to improve our odds of making a good decision.

In other words, Monkey is siding with the best scum scenario.

Snix on the other hand, is trying to both support a No Lynch

and

get a mass claim going.

You two are being seriously anti-town. You need to shape up and be seriously awesome instead. Just vote No Lynch and stop chattering.

We didn't get any night action info today(so far), what makes you think we'd get some tomorrow? And mass claiming only makes things easier for the scum to know who to kill. Even it's only an educated guess, it's better than just giving scum a free kill.

[Snix]

Ok, I can't help it.

Pro-town - No Lynch in order to mathematically improve odds. In hand with this goes a no information clause.

Monkey is opposed to a No Lynch, despite a valid logical and mathematically provable case for it.

Pro-town - Deciding to use 4 town voices against 2 scum, rather than 3 vs 2 tomorrow. Decision must be made correctly or we lose. All possible information must be divulged today and now, including a mass claim.

Despite being against a No Lynch that would improve town's odds, Monkey is also against divulging all information in order to improve our odds of making a good decision.

In other words, Monkey is siding with the best scum scenario.

Snix on the other hand, is trying to both support a No Lynch

and

get a mass claim going.

You two are being seriously anti-town. You need to shape up and be seriously awesome instead. Just vote No Lynch and stop chattering.

We didn't get any night action info today(so far), what makes you think we'd get some tomorrow? And mass claiming only makes things easier for the scum to know who to kill. Even it's only an educated guess, it's better than just giving scum a free kill.

Not if the educated guess kills town, then we're giving Scum 2 free kills.

[MonkeyMan576]

Ok, I can't help it.

Pro-town - No Lynch in order to mathematically improve odds. In hand with this goes a no information clause.

Monkey is opposed to a No Lynch, despite a valid logical and mathematically provable case for it.

Pro-town - Deciding to use 4 town voices against 2 scum, rather than 3 vs 2 tomorrow. Decision must be made correctly or we lose. All possible information must be divulged today and now, including a mass claim.

Despite being against a No Lynch that would improve town's odds, Monkey is also against divulging all information in order to improve our odds of making a good decision.

In other words, Monkey is siding with the best scum scenario.

Snix on the other hand, is trying to both support a No Lynch

and

get a mass claim going.

You two are being seriously anti-town. You need to shape up and be seriously awesome instead. Just vote No Lynch and stop chattering.

We didn't get any night action info today(so far), what makes you think we'd get some tomorrow? And mass claiming only makes things easier for the scum to know who to kill. Even it's only an educated guess, it's better than just giving scum a free kill.

Not if the educated guess kills town, then we're giving Scum 2 free kills.

Basically you're saying we have to claim because we suck, which shows a total lack of faith in our abilities...

[Ectomancer]

You dont get it. There are two choices, period.

We lynch scum today or we lose. That means we spill all the beans because the whole game rides on our successful lynch.

We improve our odds by postponing LYLO until tomorrow when we have a 40% instead of a 33% chance of hitting scum. In that case, we give scum no additional information to work with when deciding who they remove from the equation.

Until that decision is made, we do

nothing

. So decide. I went with No Lynch. When you make up your mind vote Lynch, or vote No Lynch. Whichever gets 4 votes is win. If it is 3 to 3, we can do a /random 1 2 where 1 is lynch and 2 is no lynch.

If we decide to lynch, we can argue over mass claims, etc when that time comes.

[Ectomancer]

Also, in fairness, the raw odds are better at lynching scum tomorrow, though in practice, there are 4 town voices and 2 scum voices today, where tomorrow it will be 3 and 2.