Stars Aligned - GAME OVER

[dramonic]

Please let me perform my kill

I swear it'll be useful to the town ^_^;

[Furpants_Tom]

Sure, man! Hey, maybe you could claim some fake guilty results and noises while you're at it - your guess is as good as anyone else's, right?

Negatory.

[dramonic]

But I really wanna kill you

[Furpants_Tom]

You can't always get what you want.
But you can try sometimes.
And you might find...
..you get what you need.



Aw, yeah.

[Sarag]

Dramonic, you're such a good murderer, almost as good as KoC.

<3

[dramonic]

err... What I'd need right now is to survive through the day though.

[Sajin]

Sarag's previous statement was not sarcastic at all.

Yep.

[Furpants_Tom]

But, y'know, you can't blame him for trying, I guess. Even if it comes across as about as skillful as accidentally feeding your own head into an electric pencil-sharpener. And I do feel a little bad for mocking the condemned man.

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[dramonic]

well, I'm going to get lynched anyways, why not be honest?

[Sarag]

Dramonic, I agree, you have lost the game, so it doesn't matter what you say.

It was just a really dumb move to reveal yourself to town, that's all.

[dramonic]

well, I didn't expect to survive after this morning, so I admitted to being a murderer. I honestly believe you'd be better off trying to catch cult instead of lynching me, but clearly you think different ^_^

[Percy]

Nachomamma8 replaces sykedoc.

Prods going out this evening.

[Sarag]

Hey Nacho!

[Pablo Molinero]

So, uh, we ending this yet or waiting til people check in?

[Sarag]

Wait for noise and other claims from the replacements.

[Cass]

How long are we going to wait? I see how the noise claims are important, but at some point we should just end this and hope they survive the night to claim tomorrow.

With the claim to have done nothing but to have gotten a fetish of himself, and to have only wards... I am gettting more suspicious of Kise. But I guess the number of deaths in the morning tomorrow (and whether I am among them) will tell us more about that. Will also tell us if there are more murderers still alive who killed N1.

Would love put my vote on Dramonic already.

[Sarag]

Well we could at least wait for nacho to claim.

[Sarag]

Grave robbing:

Datadanne -> today's lynch
Kise -> DeathNote
Magua -> chenhsi
ryan2754 -> zwet
ZykeZero -> nhammen

Good Resuscitate Targets:

- Kise (used protective wards n0 and n2)
- nachomamma8 (unexplained n0)
- Furpants_Tom (DN claimed to resuscitate him n0, unexplained n2)
- Datadanne (unexplained n1 -was being "stalked" by KoC which we now know was a lie - but who knows what the other cultists thought?)
- Sajin (unexplained n1)
- Sarag (unexplained n1, resuscitated by Pablo Molinero n2)
- Magua (used protective wards n1, unexplained n2)
- Cass (used protective wards n1)
- semioldguy (unexplained n2)
- Pablo Molinero (investigated by Furpants_Tom n2)

Good Ward Targets:

- SlySly
- ryan2754
- ZykeZero

Jebus and JamesBond haven't claimed but were otherwise safe.

[Sarag]

Kise, nachomamma8 and Furpants_Tom are almost certainly not cultists.

Here's why:

Now we know Mastin was a cultist, and probably zwet too. We know neither was protected by a fellow cultist, which means they probably all crafted fetishes on night 0.

From the noise claims, it's likely that all of these people were fetished night 0:
- Drench (killed by the ritual)
- Tuberkulos (used protective wards, was stalked)
- Kise (used protective wards, was later passed his own fetish)
- sykedoc (unexplained noise)
- Furpants_Tom (DeathNote claimed to have resuscitated him)

I would expect 1-2 more cultists (and thus noise) but the other people who claimed noise on night 0 were:

Dramonic

- warded by Kise. If Kise was lying then he probably doesn't have a fetish of himself and we have accounted for no more fetishes.

Jebus

- warded by Tuberkulos, who was probably telling the truth since he flipped town and I found wards on his corpse.

zwet and Mastin

- both cult.

So I'm ruling those four out as fetish crafting targets.

Maybe one of the cultists took no action night 0, or a second one crafted a fetish of Kise.

[semioldguy]

you reason for discounting these people as being possible cult is faulty in my opinion as it doesn't take into acount the possibility of those players lying. Trying to clear people as cult is best done through combinations of other actions from multiple people.

For example, I find it highly unlikely for ZykeZero to be cult because he did not have more insanity than I did at the time (which was 0) yet now claims to have one insanity. There would be little to no motivation for anyone, regardless of alignment to fake having more sanity then they actually do. Also the fact that my action proves that Research was the only insanity-gaining action ZykeZero could have possibly taken also takes a step toward clearing him as being an investigator. The research option is not likely to be taken by cult because (1) it isn't particularly useful to them considering the time investment to do this and (2) Research makes it more difficult to successfully complete the ritual at night.

However if any of the players your list above is lying, which none of the above are difficult lies to pull off as they can't be proven to have happened and there is only themselves to hold accountable. It'd be easy for any of those 3 players to lie.

Also I don't see how that could possibly clear Furpants_Tom, as the night he was resuscitated it wasn't even possible that he could have died. And even if it were possible, how is someone being a target for resuscitation an indication of their alignment. (Though if DeathNote flips scum, then there would be more validity to this line of thinking)

[ZykeZero]

I'm certainly not mafia. I had 0 insanities when I researched Semioldguy. And at the same time I was researched.

Any mafia at this point would have had an insanity or any murderer for that matter.

So if we are protecting me I'm soooo down for that.

[Nachomamma8]

Alright, so while I'm catching up (it'll take me a little while), I have to ask what exactly what we're claiming. Insanities, noises, (actions?). I promise I'll catch up tomorrow, but right now I'd like the short version

Anyways, I have 0 insanities, and didn't take an action for the past two nights (due to my predessesor's inactivity, I'm guessing). Is there anything else I need to claim/worry about?

[Sarag]

you reason for discounting these people as being possible cult is faulty in my opinion as it doesn't take into acount the possibility of those players lying. Trying to clear people as cult is best done through combinations of other actions from multiple people.

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Also I don't see how that could possibly clear Furpants_Tom, as the night he was resuscitated it wasn't even possible that he could have died. And even if it were possible, how is someone being a target for resuscitation an indication of their alignment. (Though if DeathNote flips scum, then there would be more validity to this line of thinking)

It's based on noise claims night 0 and who could possibly have had a fetish crafted of them. The simple fact is, there aren't many possibilities. You said that it's not reliable because it's based on those people's reports. That's a reasonable concern, but unless lots of other people lied and said they did NOT hear noise when they did (unlikely), or several cultists failed to craft fetishes on night 0 (also unlikely), my analysis is solid.

The specific causes of the noise is not important, I included them to demonstrate that they could have masked a craft fetish (and that the person was not warded).

It is not 100% cleared because some of the people warding could have lied and thus their targets may not be safe, but I have said why I think it's unlikely in the two cases we have. I'm also assuming zwet was cult, which hasn't been confirmed yet.

[Sarag]

Noises, insanities, actions if you want to. So we just need to know if you heard noise.

[Nachomamma8]

Yep, on N0.

And yeah, I'll have this read by tomorrow...