Mini 852- Crayola Catastrophe Game Over (Post 1158)

[semioldguy]

So SoG is at L-1?

Tell me SoG, what is your reasoning for voting Pomegranate? Make it a good one.

I don't think I am at L-1 yet, Snow_Bunny should read rule 14 again. Though a vote count would clear up any of that easily.

I have given my reasoning for voting Pomegranate. I have given multiple good reasons. Perhaps you should go back and read them.

[ChiboSempai]

I've read the thread, I know what's going on, but I want to hear in one concise post your specific reasoning for that vote, especially since the only reasoning next to your vote post is that you want a different wagon to start.

[ChiboSempai]

Snow Bunny, you need to unvote before you vote for SoG for that vote to count and him be at L-1.

I just re-read some more to make sure I didn't miss anything, and SoG you wouldn't explain the reasoning for another wagon as well when Zazier asked you last page. Reasoning please.

[semioldguy]

@ChiboSempai
Please see post 287.

[GreenDude]

semioldguy is at L-1

[GreenDude]

this color thing is not working out for me

[Battousai]

Vote Count:

semioldguy (5) – ZazieR, SocioPath, Kirbyoshi, Pomegranate, Budja
Pomegranate (2) – Josh Lyman, semioldguy
GreenDude (1) – Snow_Bunny
SocioPath (1) – GreenDude


Not voting (3): Manzcar, Chibosempai, Nachomamma8

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline in (8) day(s).


Elvis Knits replaces Manzcar upon confirmation

[ChiboSempai]

SoG I think you're trying too hard to push for a wagon on someone else. I don't think thats deserving tbh.

Vote: semioldguy

[Pomegranate]

For

Pome

:

As you can see, I don't have very many reads, but I'm doing this because I think it's important to contribute.

Noticed that. One scum read, two you think are town and all the others come basically down as neutral. So why did you make a list, instead of focusing your post mainly on the player you think is scummy?

Secondly, you write at SoG a bit that you don't think it's scummy to be not voting. Yet, it's SocioPath who attacks Manzcar for something like this on this page. Why didn't you point this out at SocioPath, especially when you said that you like his views?

Also, Zaz= he/him

1. I probably should have done that. Generally I use a scumlist to show how I view everyone, and where I see them.

2. I'll check up on that; I must have missed it.

3. Used to you being a she.

I find it suspicious that she has time to come on and see questions posed to her and make a post about it, yet needs until Wednesday to be able to answer the questions. Doesn't make sense to me if she's town. It gives scum time to fabricate an believable response.

Also her reads on most people in the game being along the lines of "I'm not really sure about ___" does not seem protown to me. I have been able to see many things from most of the players in the game that have been helping me get reads and this has been one of the easier games to do so I believe since a lot of things have been happening. Her reads don't seem sincere to me.

I will be V/LA on Saturday and Monday. After that, I will generally be V/LA on weekends.

[/color]

Days that are weekends are bad...

Will catch up and post tomorrow afternoon. (I've got school.)

Days that are school are bad...

Doesn't leave a lot of room for much...

Hopefully enough for something other than coasting.

Hi everyone. Let me explain that the reason that I am V/LA so often is because of the Jewish High Holidays. Rosh Hashanah was about a week ago, and Yom Kippur was yesterday (talk about a good 10 hours of praying!) and the holiday of Succot lasts from 10/2 at nightfall until 10/11. During that time, I'd only be able to get on Mafiascum on 10/5 through (and including) 10/8. If you think it would be more helpful for the town, I'd be willing to request a replacement.

Also, I generally have school until about 5 pm Eastern Time (GMT- 5?) and cannot post then (except I won't have school 10/5 through 10/8).

I know it's confusing, and I'm having trouble keeping up with my games. (I'm also in a mini normal.)

[elvis_knits]

Hi all!

I'll read up tomorrow morning, and get posting.

[Snow_Bunny]

Ok. I'll do it again.

Unvote, vote:semioldguy

[Snow_Bunny]

I just realized I hammered SoG... Well, technically, it was ChiboSempai, as my vote was already on him (well, at least the intention was there.) Anyways, SoG was still scummy in front of my eyes.

[Nachomamma8]

No, that hammer was from you. And it was completely uncalled for. We just got a new replacement; thus, a new viewpoint on the SoG case. At least wait for the replacement to express his views before hammering :/

MOD: Does her vote count even though it lacked color?

I hope for the town's sake it doesn't. Because that was a very anti-townish thing you just did there, and I'd rather lynch you and hit a scum the first day instead of SoG.

Unvote

,

Vote: Snow_Bunny

[Budja]

Ok, I can't say I am unhappy with a SoG lynch but Nacho is right. I really would have liked to hear from elvis first.

Anyway, here hoping for a scum-flip.

[Kirbyoshi]

Ok, I can't say I am unhappy with a SoG lynch but Nacho is right. I really would have liked to hear from elvis first.

Anyway, here hoping for a scum-flip.

QFT. If SOG ends up being town, I think we should lynch Snow toMorrow.

[Budja]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Misrep me much? I don't really like Snow's vote but I did want a SoG lynch and I am not unhappy with that.

FoS: Kirby

, for misrep.

[Battousai]

Final D1 Vote Count:

semioldguy (7) – ZazieR, SocioPath, Kirbyoshi, Pomegranate, Budja, ChiboSempai, Snow_Bunny
Pomegranate (2) – Josh Lyman, semioldguy
SocioPath (1) – GreenDude

Not voting (2): Elvis Knits, Nachomamma8


You must unvote before voting, therefore snow_bunny's first vote did not count. Your votes do not have to be in color to count, however all of your posts should be in your assigned colors.

Death Scene:

As night draws nearer and nearer, the citizens of Crayola Canyon grow angrier and angrier.

ZazieR: Isn't it obvious who killed

Totally Awesome Dude

? It is

Semioldguy

. He was the one who was always with him. If he didn't do it, he would know who did.

SocioPath: But he hasn't said he saw anyone kill him, therefore he must be the killer!!!

ZazieR: Interrupt me again, and I will cut you...

SocioPath sinks into his seat

Kirbyoshi: Come to think of it, I did see

Semioldguy

leaving the bar with

Totally Awesome Dude

last night.

GreenDude: Aye, right! I be at the battle ship all night and I didn't see him.

Pomegranate: That was probably because you were drunk, like always.

GreenDude: Ask me arse!

Budja: That's it! Grab

Semioldguy

!

Budja, ChiboSempai, and Snow_bunny pick up Semioldguy above their heads and walks towards the sharpener

Semioldguy: No, don't kill me. I don't want to die even though I am the most suspicious person and most likely killer of

Totally Awesome Dude

.

Snow_bunny: Die!!!!

As they start to shove Semioldguy into the sharpener, he yells out:

Semioldguy: Finally! I'm joining you

Totally Awesome Dude

. Wait for me!!!!!

And with that, Semioldguy is dead.

Kirbyoshi: Oh wait! I saw them leave the bar two nights ago, not the night of the murder. All well...

Semioldguy

-

Jester

-

Lynched D1

Semioldguy has fulfilled his win condition and has won the game, however the death of Totally Awesome Dude hasn't been solved, so the game continues.

It is now Night. Have all night actions in before D2 starts.

D2 starts in 48hrs from this post (or close to it).

[Battousai]

Night Scene

As the sun rises over the hills of the unmade bed, everyone comes out to see if anyone else has died

Budja: Ok, I'll do a head count.... 1,2,3,4...9,10, elev wait where's eleven?

Shanba: Where's

Manzcar

? He's missing!

elvis_knits: Well, lets go find him then!

All the remaining crayons marched their way towards Manzcar's bungalow

ChiboSempai: Open up! Open up!

ChiboSempai says, while banging on the door.

The door creaks open

Pomegranate: Oh no! Everyone, look away!

On Manzcar's floor lies a pile of dark blue dust

Manzcar

-

vanilla townie

-

has been Sharpened to death N1

Crayons left

1) Shanba

2) SocioPath

3) Pomegranate

4) Kirbyoshi

5) Budja

6) ChiboSempai

8) GreenDude

10) Nachomamma8

11) ZazieR

12) elvis_knits

With 10 left alive, it takes 6 to lynch!

Deadline is Oct 17 at 1:30am (GMT -5)

*Shanba replaces Snow_bunny
*elvis_knits was killed last night, as Manzcar. Since she hadn't made a game content post yet, she agreed to replace in as Josh Lyman

[Budja]

Well that was very good jester play IMO. I am not unhappy with the lynch anyway, better to kill him earlier than later.

QFT. If SOG ends up being town, I think we should lynch Snow toMorrow.

So does the Jester flip change anything here?
Also could you explain how you agreed with me and then posted an opposing view.

[ChiboSempai]

I don't feel it changes anything. SoG wasn't town either way which means to Snow_Bunny for all she knew he was town seeing that she would have known he wasn't mafia (considering shes mafia and knows the other mafia members).

The whole line of voting for her really didn't sitwell with me. I know I was one of the ending votes, but I didn't hammer for a purpose and wanted to see how she would handle the pressure having a chance from a normal vote to be turned to a hammer, and she jumped right to the occasion not thinking about it.

[ChiboSempai]

Ok I haven't posted here in a while and completely forgot the color tags lol

[Shanba]

Hello everyone, I'm the new Snow_Bunny


Broad brushstrokes view of the game:

The SOG wagon was generally a good one. Gets weird and scummy at the end.

The chamber wagon was terrible.



IN particular, I'm not a fan of budja's hop on to the chamber wagon. His unvote also doesn't make much sense: bear with me here, this is consistent. First, he votes chamber for the "not explaining votes" and the "paranoia about bandwagons" thing. Then he tells chamber that he doesn't care about whether this is chamber's meta. Then he unvotes with the explanation "that's one problem solved" after chamber is replaced.

Now, if he cared that it was a meta thing, presumably eh wouldn't vote in the first place, or he would unvote when chamber is replaced - but he's already claimed not to care, so that can't be the explanation. So why the unvote? "that's one problem solved, I guess" implies that now chamber is gone, his actions don't matter- but how does that make any sense? I'm not explaining myself particularly articulately here, but the upshot is that I don't think that is thinking is consistent and I think his vote on chamber looks opportunistic.

(as a sidenote, I would have been extremely angry if you guys had pulled what was essentially a policy lynch on chamber).

zazie is right about just about everything, but some of his lines of enquiry are pretty pointless (like asking green_dude if he really wanted his colour changed - I'm pretty sure he did!) In particular, though, I wanted to try and explain his attack on josh_lyman since I think he hasn't been entirely clear there: Josh's vote is for lurking, which josh explains as a jokevote - but in his post he says that it is only semi-random - which indicates that it can't be entirely random. I don't think this in and of itself is significant, but I do think the amount of time Josh spent debating on this and not talking about other, more important things is scummy.

Also, I hatehatehate the following post:

I agree. Posting "reminders" to yourself in a public thread seems ..... I don't know, less than Town. Surely you have the means to keep notes to yourself on your own computer, or perhaps a piece of paper, or maybe scrawling in crayons on the wall.... It just seems to be shitting up the thread for no apparent reason.

I really dislike chibosempai's approach to the SOG wagon. Looks like scum who smells blood in the water, but isn't certain it's going to come. Hence the early weak FoS and late vote.

Budja steps in for Josh_Lyman and that, to me, is fairly telling. In my experience, scum are far more likely to step in for each other when the case is weak (which it is) than if they think it's strong: not pointa rguing with the inevitable, but there is ample incentive to try and move lowgrade pressure away from a scumbuddy, since lowgrade can pretty quickly become high grade and then can escalate out of control.

Chibosempai, budja, josh. Also a little bit of pome, nachomamma in the mix for gut reasons I can't really articulate.

Vote: ChiboSempai

[ChiboSempai]

Before anything, Shanba can you please not type in all bold, even if it is a little easier to read. It makes it harder for people to scan and find votes, even if you put bold tags around it, though it comes out as text since your already in bold.

I already explained my vote on SoG. It was to put pressure on Snow_Bunny. I wanted to see if her reasoning for thinking SoG was legit. People vote differently when it's a vote (especially putting them at L-1) and hammering them. I almost wanted to see if she had the guts, believed in her reasoning enough, and would debate about it more before she hammered.

Her hammer post was well... Interesting. I don't like how it turned out. Besides the fact she missed color (which almost everyone has done at some point or other) but it seems to hint at rushing to get that hammer in before someone unvotes. She posted 3 minutes later trying to explain how it was technically me who hammered him also claiming that she didn't realized she hammered him at first, but that's not gonna fly. If she had actually thought about what was going on and read the ~1 page of posts between her two votes, she would know whats going on, and there would also be no need for two posts, the first being rushed imo, which had to be in even 3 minutes before her explanation.

Same policy as the Zazier replacement though, I'm not just gonna let a replacement clear all doubts. If Snow_Bunny acts scummy, with the chance she's scum (her being my #1 suspect right now), then her replacement is scum as well, being Shanba. Shanba is going to have to prove that he's not scum, instead of the opposite (finding reasons to think he's scum) like other players after my scum read on Snow_Bunny.

Vote: Shanba

Zazier seems to be one of the best players here at analyzing the situations and all of the players. What's your take on Snow_Bunny/Shanba concerning Bunnie's fake (accidental) vote on SoG, and her hammering post, and Shanba's reasoning for voting me?

[elvis_knits]

Hello again!

Please nobody kill me again before I get to post actual content.

I only skimmed half the game, not taking notes, since I wasn't sure I would see morning. Luckily, I have been reincarnated as dark red. So now I have to pay a bit more attention to the game. I will post thoughts later today.

Pretty sure from the above post that Shanba is scum though. Buddies to chamber, affirms that SoG wagon was good except for the end because he wants to blame budja and chibo. And then connects me to budja because budja didn't agree with an attack on me... some BS reasoning that since the attack was weak, we are likely scum together? Why assume we're scum, rather than , oh say, budja saw weak reasoning and disagreed with it?

Shanba's brand of reasoning is divisive, discouraging town from picking on a bad attack lest they be accused of being scum buddies. If Shanba agrees that it was a weak attack against me, then what Budja did was perfectly natural.

And if me and Budja are so scummy together, why is he voting Chibo?

I call shenanigans.

I also think that discussing scum buddies TOO much is a scum tactic. Noticing relationships between players is a good thing, but noticing a connection between two players should not be the basis for thinking they're both scum. It is simply not enough and too open to manipulation. Possible scum connections should only be supporting evidence, until such time as somebody flips scum. That is the only time that we should get too far into scum buddy talk, when we have something concrete. Otherwise it is a fallacy.

Oh, and BTW, Shanba replaced snowbunny who hammered instead of allowing me to play the game as manzcar. Didn't want a replacement coming in and changing the lynch, did she? Not when she knew the lynch was not on any of the scum team. Push that baby through and NK me... much easier for them.

And another thing, did anyone else notice how Shanba blames the end of the lynch, conveniently not mentioning his part in it, how snowbunny's hammer was probably the worst vote of them all?

Man, I found so many reasons to vote Shanba, and I haven't even read through the thread closely.

I guess I will hold off my vote until I finish the read, but... I'm pretty sure SHANBA IS SCUM.

[Shanba]

um, when you're searching through the thread, you don't see the formatting anyway. But if you wish, I will refrain.

Elvis: chamber was replaced. Why would I buddy up to a player who isn't here any more?

And yes, I'm aware my predecessor hammered. From an objective standpoint, I think it was pretty damn scummy. I can't offer any defence, and I know it wasn't an action performed by scum, so there's not point in me talking about it. You're all perfectly welcome to discuss it.

Now, truth be told I'm a big fan of people defending each other, but that doesn't mean it can't be cscummy or indicative of scum. An action like that is a weak sign of a link between two players, which is more significant because I found both bof them scummy in their own right. But I note you didn't actually try to argue with my logic, you just attacked it for being divisive and called it BS.

As for it being divisive: I'm not going to vote anyone because I saw a link between them and someone I think is scummy. I'm going to vote the person I think is scummy. So, no, I'm not asking people not to defend each other.

Also, you're pretty clearly mischaracterising my attacks if you think I am discussing scumbuddies too much since that was the only time I mentioned scumbuddies in the whole thing.