/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832

[petroleumjelly]

Official Day Three Vote Count #5

2 – LlamaFluff (Elmo, Goatrevolt)
2 – TDC (SpyreX, Battousai)
1 – SpyreX (Debonair Danny DiPietro)

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is October 10, 9:59 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 4 – forbiddanlight, LlamaFluff, Lord Gurgi, TDC

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LOCK COUNT

6 – Green (Goatrevolt, Lord Gurgi, forbiddanlight, SpyreX, Debonair Danny DiPietro, LlamaFluff)
0 – Blue
0 – Red
0 – Yellow

Not Locking – 3 – Battousai, Elmo, TDC

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lock a floor.

At nightfall, the floor to be locked is: GREEN.

[Lord Gurgi]

So I sort of glazed over the TDC-Batt thing. Can I get a nice summary?

Why is the LF wagon only emerging now?

[Battousai]

It is mostly semantics. It is basically me saying TDC hasn't really made a stance.

[SpyreX]

It makes me twitch inside at the idea two votes = a wagon.

It makes me cry a little that it is a true statement in this steup.

I'd vote for LF if it came down to it, but I still think TDC is scummier.

[Elmo]

Gut, Spy?

[SpyreX]

Que?

Gut on who? LF or TDC?

TDC I've outlied. LF is suffering from the same problems he had at the beginning still.

[Elmo]

Mmm. I thought of TDC, but it turns out I was thinking of you on Gurgi... I looked back now. Why do you think Goat is town?

[SpyreX]

I'll expand more tomorrow - its bedtime.

However, from VERY early on in the game Goat had that blend of mechanics working + looking at players that I like. A lot.

I'll freely admit he's been absent more than I'd hope for as of late but I'm hoping that turns around.

[Goatrevolt]

I've been pretty sick lately. My will to play mafia is sapped, so I will keep this short. I think Fluff is scum. I've never seen him as town content to sit by and do nothing. He is always pressuring players and generating reads. Early on, sure, the setup speculation was in the way of scumhunting, etc. but it's day 3...

I'm going to stick by my town read of TDC at this point. His play has been lackluster to the extreme, but his defenses yesterday struck me as very much pro-town. Unless I have strong reason to believe otherwise, I'm sticking by my gut here.

And now to sweet sweet bed...

[LlamaFluff]

Why is the LF wagon only emerging now?

Cause its easy. If I have it right, the majority of the case on me is "not scumhunting", which can easily, if not moreso, be applied to TDC. At the same time, people are saying "not playing to meta" which is true I will admit, its rare that I cant get into a game at all and lurk (I have one game like this as town, and one as scum where everything stalled out). However, not really doing much is playing against my scum meta too, possibly even moreso then town meta where at times when I get too flustered, confused, etc I take a temporary backseat while trying to figure things out.

Anyways, we are four days to deadline right now, and iIt still doesnt make sense to me without someone (Batt/Elmo) being a wrong read or bussing unless TDC is town.

[SpyreX]

"I'm doing this bad thing, but he's doing it TOO!" doesn't help things.

Adding a large dollop of meta also gives us a sad, sad face.

TDC or LF works for me up ins.

[Battousai]

I'm more confident in TDC being scum over LF being scum.

LF seemed to went into a decline, whereas TDC has stayed the same throughout the entire game.

[LlamaFluff]

Adding a large dollop of meta also gives us a sad, sad face.

People base an attack on me off meta, and I will defend the same way.

Im just a little confused right now that unless its GR-TDC-DDD something I have down is very wrong, or there is some unnecessary bussing going on.

I cant get over that TDC just looks scummy to me on a whole, but at the same time, from my perspective I am basically staking the game on that read, which is not something I am even vaugely comfortable with right now.

On other things though... we have three or four players on green right now, which is something that is needed to be taken advantage of. If we can get that number to four/five, we actually might be able to stop all NKs (since if two max are off green no more kills can happen). I am actually wondering if a green/not green claim here would be a benifit since at the sacrafice of a color claim, we may be able to stop all kills for the remainder of the game. I dont see a very bad scenario since there dont appear to be any players who are deemed unanimous town, and most have a few dissenters.

Yeah I know that speculation, but its hunting too since if we move all scum to green its a big plus.

I think a TDC lynch might be the best at this point, since it will shed a decent ammount of light on quite a few players, and he still really has not done much in the aggression department, and the voting area of his scorecard is duboiusly blank.

So I need to think, chances are I will be voting TDC soon, in lieu of an apifany about something. I just dont like how I seem to be either deciding on a TDC-GR-DDD or significant bussing... ehhh

[TDC]

Vote: LlamaFluff

Just to make sure I need four votes to get lynched, not three. (If he votes me, nobody else would have needed to commit to me and I still would've gotten lynched).
That said, this is mostly because the chance of him being scum is non-zero, I'm not particularly faulting him for apparently having similar problems as I have.

Fluff: When I come up town, what will that tell you about whom?
I'm assuming it would look good for GR and DDD seeing how you think we're the only possible scum team.
Who would've been bussing?

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Seeing how it's only three days to deadline and there are enough people around willing to vote me to make the four votes mentioned above happen, I'll also tell you guys that I'm vanilla and haven't been moved all game. I'm on green.

[LlamaFluff]

Fluff: When I come up town, what will that tell you about whom?
I'm assuming it would look good for GR and DDD seeing how you think we're the only possible scum team.
Who would've been bussing?

Right now I have (One of TDC-LG)/(Two of Spy-GR-DDD).

You being town looks really bad for LG and Spy to me. The only reason really I am hesitating on a Spy vote is that he opened the day voting you, which kind of caught me off guard for the most part. I expected the votes of GR and Spy to be reversed today.

You being scum looks good for LG and Spy at the same time, pushing GR and DDD to better looking lynches.

Now you town... that would suggest something along the lines of Spy-LG-?? I would lean DDD in the unknown just because he isnt doing much on the spy wagon, just sitting there taking up space, but I am not sure. If you are town im a whole lot less certain on my town reads of Batt and Elmo, which is what is concerning me for the msot part.

[SpyreX]

So we get a TDC vote that's self-preservation and actively illustrates the main issue with this minimal necessary for lynch.

Awesome.

LF:

This is all well and good except for the fact I'd prefer to hit A scum and go from there. Conjecture is a tool of the enemy at this point - it's all moot if we dont start baggin trash soon.

[LlamaFluff]

This is all well and good except for the fact I'd prefer to hit A scum and go from there. Conjecture is a tool of the enemy at this point - it's all moot if we dont start baggin trash soon.

If I can rule out some nonsensical pairings though, some might become more likely or doubtful, which in it own can lead to different trains of thought that have the possibility of picking up on a previously missed idea.

[Lord Gurgi]

SpyreX: Why do you find fault with TDC voting out of self preservation, but not LF's all-but-voting out of self preservation?

[SpyreX]

Ohh if I had to lynch two it'd be them at the mo'

The issue is exacerbated for TDC by the fact that is his first real vote. Using for self-preservation the exact opposite stance he took for, ya know, looking for scum.

[Battousai]

The issue is exacerbated for TDC by the fact that is his first real vote. Using for self-preservation the exact opposite stance he took for, ya know, looking for scum.

He finally voted for scum


DDD: Of TDC and LF, who do you think is scum? Who do you think could be their scum partner? Who else do you find scummy?

[Goatrevolt]

Calling Fluff + Gurgi scum team right now, with a side of Spyrex/Batt, who both seem to want dead TDC. Gurgi is expressing surprise at the Llama wagon and hasn't yet jumped on board? Well, shucks. Call me surprised. Seems a bit odd, no, considering his earlier stances where he kept wondering why nobody was voting Llama?

Just skimmed through TDC's posts...still think he's town. Feels sincere. Defenses feel +town.

Where are FL and DDD? Still need stances from them on Fluff/TDC. Also, Gurgi???

Fluff-Gurgi-Spyre/Batt for scum 2009. Join the campaign.

[Goatrevolt]

Elmo has been less prominent today compared to yesterday. Might be big depending on the results of today's lynch. Something to keep in mind.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD: Of TDC and LF, who do you think is scum? Who do you think could be their scum partner? Who else do you find scummy?

I really like Goat's recent analysis of LF/LG and agree that LG's behavior regarding LF is extremely confusing. He lamely calls for his lynch for about two days and when an actual wagon fires up he's not on it in a flash?

As for other people, I have FL and GR on the backburner as more likely town and am considering everyone else about equally.

[Battousai]

Are you going to change your vote then, or do you find SpyreX scummiest and rather have a no lynch over LF/TDC?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Are you going to change your vote then, or do you find SpyreX scummiest and rather have a no lynch over LF/TDC?

There's still two days left until deadline, plenty of time for me to move my vote as needed.