Mini 855: Colorless Rainbow Town (Halted for list mod error)

[d3x]

We also need a post or replacement for Skruffs like post-freaking-haste. It has been almost a week since his last post. He was technically up for prodding/replacement before the lynch came and went. With that said...

Mod- Please prod and/or replace Skruffs. Thank you.

MonkeyMan...come out and plaaa-aaaay...

[Amished]

How would you rate your confidence level that it's condemning?

[Amished]

Well, in this case the day just started like an hour ago; so it's likely he hasn't been on to check it yet. A PM would be nice though.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'd say I'm about 85% sure it's condemning.

[Amished]

Ok. I'm leaning towards revealing it tonight. How late will you be on so that I know how much time I have to change my mind if necessary?

[MonkeyMan576]

I could be on later, but I would want a majority decision.

[Amished]

Fair enough.

[d3x]

Well, in this case the day just started like an hour ago; so it's likely he hasn't been on to check it yet. A PM would be nice though.

While I agree 100%, that should only be taken into account if everyone's prodclock resets at Dawn. He should've been prodded before the Deadline came up, thus my asking for a prod now.

Also, would you care to expand on this...

I think China's buddying towards me and scummy behavior are well worth a vote as well.

The buddying I'm onboard, but the 'scummy behavior' is pretty generic. If you've already outlined it and would be happier just pointing to the post, I'd accept that too. I'm only pressing this because you said

I want every vote to be explained in your own words and opinions.

By that rationale, I could Vote MM and say it's because he's scummy.

Also, I'm more than a little weirded out by the interaction that's taking place right now. MM commenting on the No Kill, his revealing himself as a {possibly fake}PR in p1 D2, and the back and forth between you two along with your rather cavalier defense of him yesterday? I don't like it.

MM- Along with the answer I am demanding you present in your next post or I upgrade to a Vote, I'd like a list of completed games you've had a PR in. Considering the circumstances, I don't think that's unreasonable.

Amished- You said earlier that it was hectic and he may have missed the question. What are your feelings about it now?

[d3x]

And I am for him revealing the information at the timeline laid out above.

[Amished]

@d3x: I went back and I'm not sure if *I* know which question you want to ask MMan. Though I think he should've went to look last night what questions were against him.

As for China, after I replaced in, he buddied me pretty hardcore. For his scumminess that I see; refer to ISO 12 of *me*.

The reason for my banter with MMan today is because I also have some knowledge of what happened last night, but it doesn't condemn anybody.

Screw it, I want to brag a bit; and I think it might help MMan make up his mind if I'm reading the signs correctly (which I believe I am). I am a doctor who can self protect. Clearly I protected myself last night, and unless there's another way for somebody to block a kill; I'm certain that I was targeted. I'm betting that MMan is a watcher or tracker (more likely watcher) who watched me and saw somebody "visit" me last night. Since we have one "correct lynch" (the modkill) and one mislynch; I don't feel like we're anywhere near lylo and can test MMan's claim; which should help everyone feel much better.

With what I'm assuming MMan's information is; we can test to see if he's lying (which I don't believe) and help to convince everybody that he's pro-town as bussing his last partner for *him* to live rather than his partner bussing him and living til endgame is a rather low probability.

Anything more you'd like to ask?

On my behalf, I'd ask that you repost the question, and where you initially posted it so we can all look at the timeline of questioning by you.

[MonkeyMan576]

And I am for him revealing the information at the timeline laid out above.

I don't have a list of games handy I will have to do some research.

[Amished]

mmmm, ninja'd somebody else for once!

[Dizzle]

~scum~
MonkeyMan
Skruffs
ZEEnon
Dizzle
cruelty
Amished
Chinaman
Jason
Dizzle
d3x
~town~

You actually got any content to add or are your already notably short posts now being reduced to lists?

In addition to what cruelty said, I'm on this list twice. So which is it? Am I fairly suspicious or nearly confirmed townie?

Given Monkey's questionable behavior right off the bat, I don't see my vote going anywhere else at the moment. However, I too vote for Monkey to reveal this mysterious and possibly condemning information.

@Amished - Why are you certain you were targeted? And wouldn't it have been better to reveal this once Monkey had revealed his info?

MonkeyMan...come out and plaaa-aaaay...

More "The Warriors" quotes plz.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Chinaman 1:

Amished (668)

Mod- Please prod and/or replace Skruffs. Thank you.

Prodded him.

[Amished]

@Dizzle: Nobody died. Unless there's a cautious vig out there (doubt it) everybody else should've killed. SK's generally *act* like a vig to set up a late game safeclaim "hey, look, i've been shooting scummy people" so I'm pretty certain that there's only 1 kill out there (scum's NK).

As I doubt the possibility of more than one protective role, and there was no kill; the said claimed protective role (me) is the reason for no-kill. Since said protective role protected himself; himself would've been the target.

It's a pretty obvious target, but you don't really expect a watcher or tracker in a game. With what I'm guessing MMan is and what I figure happened, this way will allow him to come out with his 85% damning evidence as he's not risking pulling out a power role with the information. And why wouldn't I come out after a night like that? A self protecting doc can pretty much live indefinitely.

After MMan claims (if he does) I have a question for him.

[MonkeyMan576]

@Dizzle: Nobody died. Unless there's a cautious vig out there (doubt it) everybody else should've killed. SK's generally *act* like a vig to set up a late game safeclaim "hey, look, i've been shooting scummy people" so I'm pretty certain that there's only 1 kill out there (scum's NK).

As I doubt the possibility of more than one protective role, and there was no kill; the said claimed protective role (me) is the reason for no-kill. Since said protective role protected himself; himself would've been the target.

It's a pretty obvious target, but you don't really expect a watcher or tracker in a game. With what I'm guessing MMan is and what I figure happened, this way will allow him to come out with his 85% damning evidence as he's not risking pulling out a power role with the information. And why wouldn't I come out after a night like that? A self protecting doc can pretty much live indefinitely.

After MMan claims (if he does) I have a question for him.

Isn't it a bit suspicious to claim self protecting doc? I mean, its a sure way to avoid being targeted at night. Self protecting doc's are pretty rare, in my experience.

[Amished]

This is actually the second time I've gotten one.

[Amished]

Here is the link to my other game with one. I was the caretaker (and actually I could protect 2 other people beside myself in *that* game. The role PM is in the post I linked to.

[d3x]

Like Scien, I am a man of my word.

Vote:MM

As for those posts, I'll list all of the times I've questioned, rephrased, or simply demanded an answer to the exact same question. If you'd like me to break it down for him again, just ask.

p614- I ask the question he has yet to answer.
p623- I accuse him of dodging said question.
p628- I tell him to answer again.
p642- I tell him to answer again.
p6653- I listed the post I had originally asked him in and broke down the relevant posts leading up to it {just in case, as you said, it was too hectic}. I also rephrased the question for him, in case the timing was confusing.
p667- I pointed to p660 asking for an answer.
p675- I taunted him to see if he'd bite and finally answer me.
p682- I gave him an ultimatum that he has since ignored, along with my question for the 7th time {if you include posts he's made without answering said question, it's more}.

Can you dig it? I said,

can you dig it?

~Seriously, no more Dizzle.

[MonkeyMan576]

Like Scien, I am a man of my word.

Vote:MM

As for those posts, I'll list all of the times I've questioned, rephrased, or simply demanded an answer to the exact same question. If you'd like me to break it down for him again, just ask.

p614- I ask the question he has yet to answer.
p623- I accuse him of dodging said question.
p628- I tell him to answer again.
p642- I tell him to answer again.
p6653- I listed the post I had originally asked him in and broke down the relevant posts leading up to it {just in case, as you said, it was too hectic}. I also rephrased the question for him, in case the timing was confusing.
p667- I pointed to p660 asking for an answer.
p675- I taunted him to see if he'd bite and finally answer me.
p682- I gave him an ultimatum that he has since ignored, along with my question for the 7th time {if you include posts he's made without answering said question, it's more}.

Can you dig it? I said,

can you dig it?

~Seriously, no more Dizzle.

That's a pretty poor reason for voting someone. I'm not avoiding your questions. And expecting everything to be done on your timetable is ludicrous. And your abrasive manner is troublesome.

[d3x]

MM- I want to understand something. Maybe we're not on the same page here. Before I ask followup questions to p694, why do you think I'm Voting for you?

[Amished]

I was going to claim immediately after I saw that night result because I wanted to rub it in the scum's face; but with you talking about you having night actions that (most likely) condemned somebody; I waited a bit.

I could've claimed bulletproof to make myself look better, but I'm not and it would have been a lie so I didn't. I *can* protect other people, but I could also protect myself if I so chose. I had to ask the mod cause I thought that's what my PM said, but I thought it was too good to be true.

Ok, 614. Got it. I got a timeline and a reasonable explanation, but I want MMan to answer the question in 614 (which actually starts with d3x's questioning of me in 609)

MMan: would you please stop being a stubborn mule and just answer the question?

[MonkeyMan576]

MM- I want to understand something. Maybe we're not on the same page here. Before I ask followup questions to p694, why do you think I'm Voting for you?

Because you think I'm not answering your question. Which is totally not the case. I'm not aware of it.

[d3x]

MM- Did you read the post you quoted?

[d3x]

Amished-

I was going to claim immediately after I saw that night result because I wanted to rub it in the scum's face; but with you talking about you having night actions that (most likely) condemned somebody; I waited a bit.

Have you ever done this in another game? It seems very counter-intuitive as a proTown PR to out yourself. If you have done this before, could you link us to the instance?