/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832

[Goatrevolt]

Massclaim is definitely in order.

I'm highly skeptical of the bellhop shenanigans. I'll echo TDC's question: Has anyone been moved besides SpyreX and FL? I have not.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I have not been moved.

[forbiddanlight]

There is also the possibility that I was targetted N1.

However, there SHOULD be someone who was moved N2. However, if they are scum, odds are they won't claim.

[Goatrevolt]

There is also the possibility that I was targetted N1.

This is true, although I would find it quite odd for a scum bellhop to try to move you N1, and then not try again N2 when you would certainly not be targeting yourself, considering the backlash when you announced it day 2. If there is a scum bellhop deadset on moving you from green, N2 would have been the perfect night to succeed.

[forbiddanlight]

This is true, although I would find it quite odd for a scum bellhop to try to move you N1, and then not try again N2 when you would certainly not be targeting yourself, considering the backlash when you announced it day 2. If there is a scum bellhop deadset on moving you from green, N2 would have been the perfect night to succeed.

I didn't announce that I did it N1. I actually left that up to speculation. Of course, if they tried to move me they WOULD know what I did.

They might have figured that I'd try it again though since I don't think I explicitly stated I thought anyone was town.

Who knows?

[Goatrevolt]

I didn't announce that I did it N1. I actually left that up to speculation. Of course, if they tried to move me they WOULD know what I did.

There is that. I also found it fairly obvious what happened, whether it was left to speculation or not.

What made you think Elmo was town?

[Goatrevolt]

Along with mass claim, everyone should claim their original floor and their current floor.

[forbiddanlight]

There is that. I also found it fairly obvious what happened, whether it was left to speculation or not.

What made you think Elmo was town?

Nyeh, not necessarily. But I agree that it was probably obvious.

As for Elmo being town, he wasn't on my list, was he?

[Goatrevolt]

What is this list you speak of?

[Battousai]

Also we're in LYLO, unvote.

No. This isn't normal LyLo. It will be very, very difficult for 3 scum to quicklynch, especially if the person being voted for is scum, which I feel is the case here.

I'm up for a role/color claim as well.

[forbiddanlight]

What is this list you speak of?

This list.

[SpyreX]

Was on Blue, now on Green (oddly enough, I thought I started on Red. Weeeirrdd)

VT up in the house.

[Goatrevolt]

What is this list you speak of?

This list.

How does that list handle Llamafluff being dead and town?

[Goatrevolt]

Was on Blue, now on Green (oddly enough, I thought I started on Red. Weeeirrdd)

VT up in the house.

If this is true, that's pretty odd. 4 of the dead townies were on Blue. You would be the 5th on that floor. That means we either have very odd initial floor placements, or there is another bellhop who moved one of those now deceased to blue.

Considering FL claimed to have moved Elmo, yet Elmo did not show up as green when he got killed, that means if any of the deceased were moved to blue, they would have known in advance of their death and would have had to choose not to announce as such. It would make no sense to

NOT

announce as such because nobody should be moving players to blue, in other words, that would be proof of a scum bellhop. Based on that, I can conclude the 4 dead on blue where not moved there but started there.

This means we started with at least 4 players on Blue, 5 if SpyreX is truthful. That's definitely not what I expected.


Also, at this point, we have proof of a scum bellhop, be it FL or someone else who moved her to Blue. We should be mindful of this.

[forbiddanlight]

How does that list handle Llamafluff being dead and town?

Whoops.

Hey, I'm gonna put TDC in his place now, k?

Considering FL claimed to have moved Elmo, yet Elmo did not show up as green when he got killed, that means if any of the deceased were moved to blue, they would have known in advance of their death and would have had to choose not to announce as such.

Yeah, as you can read on the bellhop PM, the move is done AFTER the night ends.

This means we started with at least 4 players on Blue, 5 if SpyreX is truthful. That's definitely not what I expected.

There was no guarantee of even distribution, nor really any necessity for it.

Though you bring up a good point. Odds are I was moved to blue because the least number of people were likely to be on it at this point.

[SpyreX]

One would HOPE that moving someone would have been something that was mentioned. I "guess" they could have killed someone and moved them for...? (not really thinking it).

I thought I was red until I went and checked (my color didn't matter too much being vanilla woosh).

So, yes, we have an odd distribution but I'm not sure what relevance it has on things as they sit.

I know I'm a little slow, but everyone saying here here! about massclaiming should just, ya know, do it.

[Battousai]

VT started on red and still on red.

[Goatrevolt]

VT started on red and still on red.

Same.

Gurgi, TDC, and ... DDD need to claim. I think that's all.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VT started on green and still on green.

[Lord Gurgi]

I started on green and am still on green. One more Vanilla.

Why has no one said anything about Elmo as the night kill?

I think SpyreX claiming blue is townie, don't see any reason why scum would claim something like that.

[Goatrevolt]

So you think scum are faking their claims then? Why wouldn't SpyreX claim blue? I don't see how this is a town-tell at all.

[Lord Gurgi]

If he was greenscum, or even bluescum, there is more motivation to claim something other than blue, than there would be if he was bluetown. That makes it a town tell, if not very much so.

[Goatrevolt]

If he was greenscum, or even bluescum, there is more motivation to claim something other than blue, than there would be if he was bluetown. That makes it a town tell, if not very much so.

Enlighten me. I don't see the downside of scum claiming blue, or why SpyreX as scum would have incentive to claim something else.

[Goatrevolt]

At the start of the game:

Red:
ZazieR
Battousai
Goatrevolt

Yellow:
The ghost of Christmas Past

Blue:
Patrick
Nuwen
LlamaFluff
Elmo
SpyreX

Green:
DDD
TDC
LG
FL

Current:

Red:
Battousai
Goatrevolt

Blue:
FL

Green:
LG
DDD
TDC
SpyreX

Conclusions:

Battousai and myself are the only players capable of having made the kill on Elmo last night

assuming

that everyone is telling the truth about their current locations. Based on my read of Battousai being probable town and my knowledge that I'm town, I'm going to guess that this assumption is flawed. With proof of a scum bellhop, and at least two nights of unclaimed activity, I'm guessing that one of our friends on the Green floor was moved off to be able to make kills or that one of the players claiming to be originally on green is simply lying.

[Lord Gurgi]

When did TDC claim green? Of course, now that you point that out, he has every reason to claim green.