Mini 855: Colorless Rainbow Town (Halted for list mod error)

[MonkeyMan576]

MM- Did you mean to quote me there {p769}? I don't get it.

I was responding to the post that questioned my motivations for questioning Jason. Major WIFOM by the way.

[jasonT1981]

This role speculation is highly speculative, and I don't see where the damning evidence is.

A claimed guilty on you is good evidence is it not?

What do I have to gain by lying in my claim? You flip town I am the auto lynch tomorrow. Why risk putting myself out there like that for the sake of one mislynch on someone who has already had suspicion on him.

[MonkeyMan576]

This role speculation is highly speculative, and I don't see where the damning evidence is.

A claimed guilty on you is good evidence is it not?

What do I have to gain by lying in my claim? You flip town I am the auto lynch tomorrow. Why risk putting myself out there like that for the sake of one mislynch on someone who has already had suspicion on him.

More WIFOM.

[jasonT1981]

Is that all your defense is going to be? claiming WIFOM?

[jasonT1981]

wait a minute, your complaining of WIFOM in my guilty when your claim was nothing short of WIFOM yourself by claiming you roleblocked someone after no kill in the night?

HAHA funny.

[Chinaman]

How is that WIFOM any more than your claim?

You claim RB that blocked me.

He claims cop and found you guilty.

Only difference is, if you flip and are telling the truth, he dies. That a one scum for 2 town (assumption) trade. Scum are already down 1. I get you are saying scum could do anything, but there is stuff that puts them in a bad spot. Jason-scum fake claiming is one of them wouldn't you say?

[MonkeyMan576]

Is that all your defense is going to be? claiming WIFOM?

My defence is Chinaman's behavior(claiming that we shouldn't believe my night action without hearing what it was, then not voting for me oncce he hears it, even though it potentially implicates him), the fact that you could be a paranoid cop, and that Amished is willing to lynch someone because he thinks town roleblockers are rare(which is not true).

[MonkeyMan576]

How is that WIFOM any more than your claim?

You claim RB that blocked me.

He claims cop and found you guilty.

Only difference is, if you flip and are telling the truth, he dies. That a one scum for 2 town (assumption) trade. Scum are already down 1. I get you are saying scum could do anything, but there is stuff that puts them in a bad spot. Jason-scum fake claiming is one of them wouldn't you say?

Fine lynch me then. You have a point. When I flip town, you know Chinaman is probably scum, and Jason is probably scum, so you will have the win as long as there is no SK(which is likely with so few deaths).

I want the town to win as much as everyone else. So if it means I get lynched to achieve that goal, I am for it.

[jasonT1981]

Fine lynch me then. You have a point. When I flip town, you know Chinaman is probably scum, and Jason is probably scum, so you will have the win as long as there is no SK(which is likely with so few deaths).

I want the town to win as much as everyone else. So if it means I get lynched to achieve that goal, I am for it.

Great appeal to emotion there and lovely WIFOM again.

[Amished]

Also, there's more in my role PM that makes me believe Jason even more. I don't see any use in arguing with MMan as he won't help.

The improbable series of actions that all fall in line in 781 looks to be utter crap.

[MonkeyMan576]

Fine lynch me then. You have a point. When I flip town, you know Chinaman is probably scum, and Jason is probably scum, so you will have the win as long as there is no SK(which is likely with so few deaths).

I want the town to win as much as everyone else. So if it means I get lynched to achieve that goal, I am for it.

Great appeal to emotion there and lovely WIFOM again.

I'm not appealing anything. I'm advocating my lynch so the town can win.

[Amished]

@MMan: Ok, we'll lynch you and probably win because of it.

[Chinaman]

I didn't say we shouldn't believe your night action without hearing what it was. I was saying I was interested in what you had to say but no matter what you claimed I wasn't going to role over and automatically believe you. Please quote me where I said we shouldn't believe you before even hearing it. If you can, I will admit defeat and ask everyone to vote me. Also, had I voted you for potentially implicating me you and many others would have called OMGUS. I'm sure that's what you were planning. Thing is, if you role blocked me, you don't know what you blocked if anything at all! 85% was waaaay too large of certainty that I was scum with just your info. It was also, as jason pointed out, very much WIFOM to say it did.

In your defense though, I looked up on mafia wiki some roles and stuff and RB WAS indeed listed under Basic Roles. Here's the link http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

So rare or not, they are in the basic column according to mafia wiki.

[jasonT1981]

Fine lynch me then. You have a point. When I flip town, you know Chinaman is probably scum, and Jason is probably scum, so you will have the win as long as there is no SK(which is likely with so few deaths).

I want the town to win as much as everyone else. So if it means I get lynched to achieve that goal, I am for it.

Great appeal to emotion there and lovely WIFOM again.

I'm not appealing anything. I'm advocating my lynch so the town can win.

Fine lynch me
When I flip town
I want the town to win

sure, no appeal to emotion or WIFOM there. *sarcasm*

[MonkeyMan576]

I didn't say we shouldn't believe your night action without hearing what it was. I was saying I was interested in what you had to say but no matter what you claimed I wasn't going to role over and automatically believe you. Please quote me where I said we shouldn't believe you before even hearing it. If you can, I will admit defeat and ask everyone to vote me. Also, had I voted you for potentially implicating me you and many others would have called OMGUS. I'm sure that's what you were planning. Thing is, if you role blocked me, you don't know what you blocked if anything at all! 85% was waaaay too large of certainty that I was scum with just your info. It was also, as jason pointed out, very much WIFOM to say it did.

In your defense though, I looked up on mafia wiki some roles and stuff and RB WAS indeed listed under Basic Roles. Here's the link http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Roles

So rare or not, they are in the basic column according to mafia wiki.

Why would I do that. Lynching me is clearly the best play here.

Unvote:
Vote: Monkeyman

[jasonT1981]

And you say there is no appeal to emotion lol

[Amished]

Yes, a roleblocker is a basic role, but I've *never* seen a pro-town roleblocker. I've seen a jailkeeper, but all the roleblockers I've seen were mafia roleblockers.

[jasonT1981]

With that, I am taking my leave for tonight, sorry but its coming close to 3am here

[MonkeyMan576]

And you say there is no appeal to emotion lol

It's not an appeal to emotion. I don't have an alterior motive. I want to be lynched to prove that I am town and Chinaman and Jason are the last scum.

[jasonT1981]

Yes, a roleblocker is a basic role, but I've *never* seen a pro-town roleblocker. I've seen a jailkeeper, but all the roleblockers I've seen were mafia roleblockers.

one last thing, roleblockers are usually pro-scum roles to help combat against Doc/Cops in the night actions.

[Amished]

@jason: Precisely. Look at the newbie games; perfect example of this.

[Chinaman]

And you say there is no appeal to emotion lol

It's not an appeal to emotion. I don't have an alterior motive. I want to be lynched to prove that I am town and Chinaman and Jason are the last scum.

MM: You flipping town doesn't "prove" anything. It's WIFOM. It's possible, but many many other things are just as possible. Do you get that?

[jasonT1981]

So MM we have gone from

I am paranoid/insane cop

to

your lynch proving I am scum....

How?

[Amished]

@China: Just take it as the scumtell it is, and move on.

[Chinaman]

Problem here is, I don't think anybody thinks youre going to flip town. Not with Jason's claim. So throw your fit and try and make us think twice about it, but right now I don't see you not dead.