/in-Vitational Game 5, Simon Mafia 2: Game Over before 832

[Lord Gurgi]

If he was greenscum, or even bluescum, there is more motivation to claim something other than blue, than there would be if he was bluetown. That makes it a town tell, if not very much so.

Enlighten me. I don't see the downside of scum claiming blue, or why SpyreX as scum would have incentive to claim something else.

The propensity of scum is against sticking out.

[Goatrevolt]

2. Has anyone, besides me and fl, started out on green?

I'm taking that as a claim that TDC started on green.

Why would claiming blue as an initial location make SpyreX stick out? He has no reason to lie about where he initially was located considering he claimed he was moved N2 to green. I fail to see this as meaningful in any way.

[Lord Gurgi]

Oh.

Fifth blue is a bit weird. Don't you think? You said as much earlier, but you don't seem to think it's weird that HE is fifth blue, or that it has any impact. I don't understand how you can have both positions.

[Goatrevolt]

They are not contradictory positions at all. 5th blue is weird, odd, against what I perceived to be the setup. In no way does that mean he who claims 5th blue must therefore be town, and I don't see why that is the case at all. It's easier to claim the truth than to lie, even as scum. There's no downside to him claiming 5th blue as scum. Thus I don't see why it's a town-tell. Simple as that.

I don't think scum-SpyreX would lie about his initial location because I don't see what scum-SpyreX would have to gain by lying about his initial location. Unless his initial location was green (in which case he would be lying when he said he got moved to green) I don't see why he would be hesitant at all to just claim whatever room he started in truthfully.

[TDC]

I have already claimed yesterday, when it looked like I was going to be lynched.

Seeing how it's only three days to deadline and there are enough people around willing to vote me to make the four votes mentioned above happen, I'll also tell you guys that I'm vanilla and haven't been moved all game. I'm on green.

[TDC]

When did TDC claim green? Of course, now that you point that out, he has every reason to claim green.

Not this shit again.
Do you have "every reason to claim green" as well?

[TDC]

At the start of the game:

Red:
ZazieR
Battousai
Goatrevolt

Yellow:
The ghost of Christmas Past

Blue:
Patrick
Nuwen
LlamaFluff
Elmo
SpyreX

Green:
DDD
TDC
LG
FL

Is there anything that justifies the assumption that Elmo was not moved to Blue during N2, but started there?
I realize that is only a possible scenario if fl is town.

[TDC]

Never mind, I suppose he should've told us if that was that happened..

[SpyreX]

If FL is town, I have to assume that the scum bellhop waited on all night actions until now to keep themselves hidden OR that they were moving scum around for ???.

If FL is scum, well, mind blown and absolutely confused considering the setup - a mountainous with the only non-vanilla being scum? Woosh.

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No matter how I spin these dice it keeps coming up TDC making the most sense for the lynch. Further, if we're a gambling (which we are) I don't see Batt coming out with a power bus AND I still think GR is town so I want to lock red.

(Yes, this means that I think one of, if not more, of LG, DDD and TDC are lying about their current location).

[Goatrevolt]

If FL is town, I have to assume that the scum bellhop waited on all night actions until now to keep themselves hidden OR that they were moving scum around for ???.

Moving scum off of green secretly would allow scum to be able to submit kills without anyone being aware of who is making them. There is incentive for scum to do this, and in fact, I consider this to be an extremely likely situation (the alternative in my eyes is that Batt is scum). If FL is scum, N1 when "she moved herself" could have been her moving a scum buddy off of green. If there is another scum bellhop, N1 or N2 could have been moving a scum buddy off of green to allow for easy access to kills. It's also possible that nobody was moved off of green and someone is simply lying about being on green.

@TDC: I'm working under the assumption that dead town players would have informed us if they were moved, because it would be an obvious sign of a scum bellhop, and there would be no reason not to report it.


At this point, I seriously need to reevaluate. Elmo being dead town means I am wrongly clearing someone as town, but the question is who...TDC? FL? DDD?

[Battousai]

So, scum is either GR or someone claiming to have been on green last night (essentially everyone in the game)?... Ya, I find TDC scummiest.

SpyreX- If you think TDC is scum, why no vote on him?

[petroleumjelly]

Official Day Four Vote Count #1

1 – TDC (Battousai)

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch, and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is October 29, 9:59 pm CDT.

Not Voting – 6 – Debonair Danny DiPietro, forbiddanlight, Goatrevolt, Lord Gurgi, SpyreX, TDC

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LOCK COUNT

0 – Blue
0 – Green
0 – Red
0 – Yellow

Not Locking – 7 – Battousai, Debonair Danny DiPietro, forbiddanlight, Goatrevolt, Lord Gurgi, SpyreX, TDC

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lock a floor.

Back-Up Floor

: Green.

[SpyreX]

Why not? Simply lylo-tinfoil / wanting to decide what to lock before we lynch.

[TDC]

At this point, I seriously need to reevaluate. Elmo being dead town means I am wrongly clearing someone as town, but the question is who...TDC? FL? DDD?

I thought you thought Batt was town as well.
Should I read the above as "I'm probably not wrong or Batt" or "I'm probably wrong on Batt"? One way or the other, you seem to have little doubt about his alignment?

[Battousai]

Why not? Simply lylo-tinfoil / wanting to decide what to lock before we lynch.

Ok, then. Let's decide. Who should be locked, scum, or the towniest players? I say we lock the towniest players, that way the scum would be forced to cut out the players they can hide behind.

[SpyreX]

Sounds easy enough in theory, but when you look at the dispersal the ONLY thing that makes sense in "the towniest players" is locking red.

Which, hell, I'll do right now:

Lock: Red

And since I'm being so fancy:

Vote: TDC

[Lord Gurgi]

Wow. We have plenty of time, no need to rush blindly. I don't suppose you would be willing to unvote, would you, SpyreX?

TDC, I thought you hadn't claimed yet. Saying "THIS IS WHAT THE SMART SCUM WOULD DO GUYS" is not a good idea if you hadn't. Sheesh.

[TDC]

TDC, I thought you hadn't claimed yet. Saying "THIS IS WHAT THE SMART SCUM WOULD DO GUYS" is not a good idea if you hadn't. Sheesh.

What?

In other news, gone till Monday.
Looking forward to being quicklynched by then.

[Battousai]

Ok me and spyrex have voted to lock the towniest players.

Need opinions by everyone else to see where we go from there.

[SpyreX]

This isn't a blind rush by any means. I thought TDC was scum yesterday, I think that the eventual shift wasn't an accident by any means and considering the amount of time ALREADY this has sat in hammer range I'm not shocked and or awed we didn't see a game-ending move.

Because TDC is scum.

[Goatrevolt]

Wow, so few posts this weekend.

Lock Red

I'm not sure if the lack of hammer on TDC is the nail in the coffin yet, considering we have seen nothing from FL or DDD in the meantime. Either way, he is most likely going to be lynched today, either from scum hammering home a lynch on a townie TDC, or by everyone checking in and the realization that he has to be scum. I'm starting to think it's the latter.

Can we at least lock down a floor in the meantime?

I guess the alternative is that both Batt and Spyre are scum, but I find that unlikely.

Mod: can we get a prod on FL and DDD? It's been almost 3 days

[forbiddanlight]

Mod: can we get a prod on FL and DDD? It's been almost 3 days

I'm still here, there's just nothing to say

I'll agree with

Lock Red

Also, TDC is at L-2. Meaning it's not likely he'd be quickhammered.

[Goatrevolt]

Also, TDC is at L-2. Meaning it's not likely he'd be quickhammered.

Not if he's scum. If he's town, Batt and Spyre would both need to be scum for quick hammering to not be a possibility.

[forbiddanlight]

Not if he's scum. If he's town, Batt and Spyre would both need to be scum for quick hammering to not be a possibility.

Ah, true.

[petroleumjelly]

Debonair Danny DiPietro has been prodded.