Mini 843- The Fast and the Furious Mafia! (Over-Mod Error)

[SpyreX]

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I'll deal with this tomorrow if somehow there isn't a hammer. Lets just say color me unconvinced and if I'm wrong then you call can go OHH BAD SPYREX HOW DARE YOU.

[Starbuck]

Deal with this tomorrow? Why are you stalling now?

[SpyreX]

Tomorrow as in I'm going to sleep.

Not game-day tomorrow. Good grief.

[Starbuck]

I meant as in actual day. You've been pushing me to answer, and now that I have you are waiting until later to respond.

[afatchic]

VoteCount

Starbuck-(4)- MordyS, SpyerX, don_johnson, Boxman
BoxMan-(1)- Faraday
don_johnson-(1)- Starbuck

Not Voting-(2)- Knights of Cydonia, JereIC

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

[MordyS]

So I'm lying in bed, trying to sleep, and something occurs to me. Some questions occur to me, to be exact, and I think it's important to ask them, ideally before we wrap up the day. (Btw, before I get to the questions: I think the Starbuck lynch is a good lynch, and I haven't yet been swayed from it.)

Here are the questions:
1. Faraday, you speculated that you were targeted last night but that the scum failed to kill you. Assuming that you and SpyreX don't share the same ability, can we assume that you used the gift that Tjoe gave you to avert your death? (If you don't feel comfortable answering this, feel free to skip because the next two questions are the really important ones.)

2. Having seen SpyreX lead a successful lynch on SK, who turned out to be scum, why did Knight of Cydonia not give his next invention to him, but rather to JereIC -- a rather dubious figure at best? Not only that, but since he claimed that he gave an invention to JereIC, we haven't heard from JereIC in the thread at all.

3. What is going on with this inventor bit? I don't remember the exact number, but we were told that basically the inventor has more inventions than there are going to be days in this game. Can he gave away more than one a night? Has he already given away more than two? What invention does JereIC have? Is it something we can use to verify scum?

Ok. Back to trying to fall back asleep.

[MordyS]

(EBWOP: Obv we heard JereIC confirm that he got it, but last we heard, he hadn't even been able to open it yet. Ok. Sleep. For real this time.)

[MordyS]

Ok, just noticed this and figured it should be in the thread before the hammer comes down:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12532

Not sure the protocol on this kind of meta, but it absolutely seems germane.

[Starbuck]

I would definitely like some insight from JereIC, KoC and Faraday.

[Starbuck]

Ok, just noticed this and figured it should be in the thread before the hammer comes down:

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12532

Not sure the protocol on this kind of meta, but it absolutely seems germane.

How so? I'm asking a general question in the Mafia Discussion and I didn't name any of my roles. I'm also in six games currently. Should I have waited until I'm not playing any games to ask a general question? I thought that was what that forum was for.

If you read my Wiki, the games I'm currently in are listed but with no information about them other than what the game is, the mod, and the number of players.

Sounds like you are trying to pull a Tjoe by using things that are outside this game.

[Knight of Cydonia]

I have a day off college tomorrow. That day will be my Mafia day. Oh, and there's that Philosophy essay to write. And the Politics one. But Mafia will be done first.

[Faraday]

I would definitely like some insight from JereIC, KoC and Faraday.

Well I think you're scummy, as I've said previously.

Also ignoring that giant bomb of a GD thread, completely.

Mordy, I'd prefer to not answer your question at this point, it seems well, more beneficial to wait till/if I need to fullclaim before I out that info.

[JereIC]

I'm having another crappy day at work, so I'm not going to be able to read everything right now. That said, my gut says to stay away from a bandwagon started by MordyS, and not to reveal the invention I got.

[SpyreX]

I'm gone for work meetings today but a few things I'd like to bring to light before this gets hammered through:

1.) The ONLY time Starbuck even pretends to discuss SK is the defense of him (iso 65, iso 66).
2.) Iso 27 heavily implies belief that Anim was, in fact, a doctor. Whereas 66 is using that flip to imply Anim was scum and thus SK is telling the truth.
3.) Repeated (I'm not even going to bother) defense of behavior by meta BUT then calls Tjoe out on "using outside game influences" AND then calls Mordy out for the same thing.
4.) You then have SK's behavior regarding Starbuck - one way defense is tech, TWO way defense is awesssome.
and then finally:
5.) You have the same, SAME, attack method that was used by SK on the case around them.

Yea. Get this done.

[SpyreX]

I would like some actual contribution today from you Jere. The invention I don't care about too much.

I really don't like that meta thread and if I was one to USE meta I'd be doubting my own results about her scumosity.

[MordyS]

I'm having another crappy day at work, so I'm not going to be able to read everything right now. That said, my gut says to stay away from a bandwagon started by MordyS, and not to reveal the invention I got.

Everyone please hold on the lynch until Jere contributes. He's my second lynch candidate for today and this smells like scum all over it. Instead of "staying away" from my bandwagon, how about you evaluate the bandwagon yourself and tell us what you find problematic with it. Not committing to a lynch (and for no good reason) makes me instantly want to lynch you. It sounds like you're trying to avoid culpability and that rubs me the wrong way.

[Starbuck]

I'm gone for work meetings today but a few things I'd like to bring to light before this gets hammered through:

1.) The ONLY time Starbuck even pretends to discuss SK is the defense of him (iso 65, iso 66).
2.) Iso 27 heavily implies belief that Anim was, in fact, a doctor. Whereas 66 is using that flip to imply Anim was scum and thus SK is telling the truth.
3.) Repeated (I'm not even going to bother) defense of behavior by meta BUT then calls Tjoe out on "using outside game influences" AND then calls Mordy out for the same thing.
4.) You then have SK's behavior regarding Starbuck - one way defense is tech, TWO way defense is awesssome.
and then finally:
5.) You have the same, SAME, attack method that was used by SK on the case around them.

Yea. Get this done.

1. My thoughts were focused on other people than SK.
2. I don't understand what you are getting at here. Elaborate please?
3. Where have I used my meta at all? Serious Strawman here. I debunked Tjoe's case on me and he was using outside the game influences towards his case. Mordy is now doing the same thing because I posted a question in the general mafia discussion area.
4. Someone not talking about someone else isn't always a scum tell
5. WTF are you talking about? I would like you to list similiarities.

[Starbuck]

Also about #3, it wasn't anything to do with the games I'm currently in. My guess is that you have never read my Wiki, and therefore aren't doing your full background check.

The fact that you are both using outside the game influences now, bothers me. There's a reason why there's a general mafia discussion forum, and now I'm having shit given to me because I posted that question.

[MordyS]

Look, someone posted on that meta,

I remember we lynched you as town in twilight mafia. I remember thinking the way you claimed was scummy in that game. And I think you were sort of angry we were going to lynch you and being like "I can't wait til you jerks see I flip town! I almost want to die now to screw you all." Those kind of comments only make people want to lynch you more, in my experience. Of course, you were right and it's only natural to feel picked on when you're being strung up as town, but still, comments like that speed your death.

I read this and, as someone who wants to win this game, I can't help but second-guess my instincts here. I'm sorry that you feel your meta is unfairly being used here, but until I'm told it's not allowed, I'm not going to ignore possible evidence that exculpates you.

[MordyS]

Ugh. I hate myself for doing this but,

Unvote

At least until we hear something from KoC, JereIC, or I can wrap my head around this Starbuck lynch. For what it's worth, Starbuck, I think you've played scummy, and I'd love to lynch you. But I'm not sure your playing scummy = you being scum at the moment and it certainly can't hurt to have a day to think about it. (And as for those of you I believe aren't scummy, please give your input/opinions/arguments.)

[don_johnson]

mordy/starbuck/sk

ani was third party?

really now. why the unvote?

you can ask questions of the two players in question without unvoting. are you worried that one of them is scum and that they will hammer without contributing? if that was the case, why take away the oppurtunity for them to implicate themselves as scum?

FoS: Mordys

[Starbuck]

Who said anything about a third party?

Now I'm confused.

[don_johnson]

i don't think ani was "doctor". therefore he was fakeclaiming. therefore he is either scum or third party(sk, survivor, etc.)

I think you are scum, i think mordy is trying to get out of lynching you, therefore he is scum. not really sure. perhaps you are town and mordy is scum distancing himself from the lynch? or perhaps we have two 2 player scumteams? i don't really know here, but i don't see any reason to unvote you if he is suspicious of the other two players. leaving you at L-1 let's him gauge their contributions and voting pattern much more definitively imo than unvoting you.

[MordyS]

You're right. I'm just getting flustered by the meta, and I wanted to hear from JereIC before a lynch went down. And thanks for taking a stand on the lynch.

Vote: Starbuck

[MordyS]

(EBWOP: SpyreX was right; DJ was minimizing any responsibility for lynches by just following wagons. Now that's he's pushed for this Starbuck lynch, I think it commits him a bit more than the SK lynch had. I think getting a real voting pattern on him is important, as Starbuck is right about one thing; he's very suspicious.)