Mini 857 Disney Movie Mafia 2 - The Classics (Roll Credits)

[YankCane151]

Prod received, site was down yesterday O_o

What are your impressions of this all? Of Neopi, of Monkey's roleclaim, of Monkey's L-1, of Monkey V. Starbuck part 2?

[semioldguy]

@MonkeyMan
Don't expect me to push a case elsewhere when you ignore almost any post I make toward you or whenever I ask you a question. There are still things you have yet to answer and that you have continued to ignore. I know you have read, please address them.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

MonkeyMan576 (4) - semioldguy, Neopi, Crazy, Gorrad
Starbuck (2) - Jazzmyn, YankCane151
Neopi (2) - StrangerCoug, chamber

Not Voting (3) - MonkeyMan576, Brandi, Starbuck

[MonkeyMan576]

@MonkeyMan
Don't expect me to push a case elsewhere when you ignore almost any post I make toward you or whenever I ask you a question. There are still things you have yet to answer and that you have continued to ignore. I know you have read, please address them.

You shouldn't be pushing cases based on what someone else does or doesn't do or as a way to get back at them or make friends. As far as I know I've answered all questions you've asked of me.

[semioldguy]

You shouldn't be pushing cases based on what someone else does or doesn't do or as a way to get back at them or make friends. As far as I know I've answered all questions you've asked of me.

Post 636, Post 666 and Post 692 to name more recent ones. As far as I know, ignoring the points of a case brought against you isn't going to make the case go away.

Cases are based on what people do or don't do, that's how the game is played. Find me a case that isn't based on what someone does or doesn't do. I'm not here to get back at people or to make friends; I'm here to play mafia. If I wanted to make friends here I'd go post in General Discussion.

[MonkeyMan576]

You shouldn't be pushing cases based on what someone else does or doesn't do or as a way to get back at them or make friends. As far as I know I've answered all questions you've asked of me.

Post 636, Post 666 and Post 692 to name more recent ones. As far as I know, ignoring the points of a case brought against you isn't going to make the case go away.

Cases are based on what people do or don't do, that's how the game is played. Find me a case that isn't based on what someone does or doesn't do. I'm not here to get back at people or to make friends; I'm here to play mafia. If I wanted to make friends here I'd go post in General Discussion.

Those are all the same question. Please don't exaggerate a case by making something sound like more than it is.

Questions that require research shouldn't be expected to be answered in the same timeframe as questions that don't. In fact, it's quite rude to ask such a question and demand it be answered immediately.

[MonkeyMan576]

I first suspected you around post 126, semioldguy.

[Jazzmyn]

I really do not understand the big drama and the lengths to which Monkey went to avoid posting flavour in support of his prior claim, especially since the flavour provided was not in any way surprising and I cannot see how it was worth digging himself even further into a hole (all the way to L-1) to protect against uttering the words, 'windows,' 'pixie dust' and 'happy.' That said, I can still see him as a townie feeling himself under relentless attack by scum, misguided town, or mistaken town, and digging in his heels and not wanting to give away any information that he thinks might help scum, even if it turns out that the information might not, in fact, benefit scum in any way. So, I'm not sure about Monkey. I'm still leaning town on him but I have to admit that this last go-round leaves me less certain of my read on him. The lengths to which he went to avoid it, the time it took for him to finally come out with it, the innocuousness of the flavour when he finally did set it out, and his comments about fake-claiming give me a great big question mark where I didn't have one before.

I also do not understand why semioldguy said that Monkey's failure to post flavour when he claimed amounted to only a "partial claim" and said that "partial claims are scummy" and yet semi did not apply the same rationale to Starbuck, who had also claimed her role and no flavour. I am further suspicious of the fact that when someone (YankCane, I think) mentioned this, semi posted almost immediately (within 3 minutes) that he had re-read Starbuck's posts and yes, lo and behold, she had not made a full claim either. Three minutes from the time of YankCane's post to semi's response and he read all of Starbuck's posts from her claim forward? Really? I doubt that. Then there's semi's gratuitous "I'm town" claim when nobody asked and it's not as though scum would claim any different.

I think it's fairly obvious that Neopi is inexperienced, erratic, and not very helpful so far. He could be either newbtown or newbscum, but I am growing more and more annoyed with his lack of input into the game. I don't really relish lynching newbs just for being newbs, because they could just as easily turn out to be newbpowerroles who are feeling overwhelmed and out of their depth as newbvanillas or newbscum, but if Neopi doesn't start participating more meaningfully and it comes to a deadline situation, I could change my mind on that.

More in a bit. I'm in the midst of doing laundry (ack) and the buzzer on the dryer just went off.

Regards,
Jazz

[MonkeyMan576]

I really do not understand the big drama and the lengths to which Monkey went to avoid posting flavour in support of his prior claim, especially since the flavour provided was not in any way surprising and I cannot see how it was worth digging himself even further into a hole (all the way to L-1) to protect against uttering the words, 'windows,' 'pixie dust' and 'happy.' That said, I can still see him as a townie feeling himself under relentless attack by scum, misguided town, or mistaken town, and digging in his heels and not wanting to give away any information that he thinks might help scum, even if it turns out that the information might not, in fact, benefit scum in any way. So, I'm not sure about Monkey. I'm still leaning town on him but I have to admit that this last go-round leaves me less certain of my read on him. The lengths to which he went to avoid it, the time it took for him to finally come out with it, the innocuousness of the flavour when he finally did set it out, and his comments about fake-claiming give me a great big question mark where I didn't have one before.

I also do not understand why semioldguy said that Monkey's failure to post flavour when he claimed amounted to only a "partial claim" and said that "partial claims are scummy" and yet semi did not apply the same rationale to Starbuck, who had also claimed her role and no flavour. I am further suspicious of the fact that when someone (YankCane, I think) mentioned this, semi posted almost immediately (within 3 minutes) that he had re-read Starbuck's posts and yes, lo and behold, she had not made a full claim either. Three minutes from the time of YankCane's post to semi's response and he read all of Starbuck's posts from her claim forward? Really? I doubt that. Then there's semi's gratuitous "I'm town" claim when nobody asked and it's not as though scum would claim any different.

I think it's fairly obvious that Neopi is inexperienced, erratic, and not very helpful so far. He could be either newbtown or newbscum, but I am growing more and more annoyed with his lack of input into the game. I don't really relish lynching newbs just for being newbs, because they could just as easily turn out to be newbpowerroles who are feeling overwhelmed and out of their depth as newbvanillas or newbscum, but if Neopi doesn't start participating more meaningfully and it comes to a deadline situation, I could change my mind on that.

More in a bit. I'm in the midst of doing laundry (ack) and the buzzer on the dryer just went off.

Regards,
Jazz

While I appreciate your consideration, I don't see how hypothesizing about fakeclaiming is scummy. Being confirmed town is more likely to get you killed, especially if you have a power role. Leaving open the idea of fakeclaim, while leaving the possibility of a town lynch, also makes it less likely that scum will go after you.

[Starbuck]

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

[chamber]

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

In what way is this at all relevant to what he said?

[Gorrad]

Less likely the scum will go after you, yes, but it also means you're more likely to be lynched.

[Starbuck]

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

In what way is this at all relevant to what he said?

SHE said in that big long post that I didn't claim my flavor, but if she had been around instead of active lurking, she would have seen that I did.

[Jazzmyn]

While I appreciate your consideration, I don't see how hypothesizing about fakeclaiming is scummy. Being confirmed town is more likely to get you killed, especially if you have a power role. Leaving open the idea of fakeclaim, while leaving the possibility of a town lynch, also makes it less likely that scum will go after you.

I'm not sure I understand that. You have already claimed a town power role, so how does refusing to disclose supporting flavour make you "confirmed" any more than you already were? How does suggesting that you were fakeclaiming make you less likely to by lynched? (i.e., if you are a vanilla townie fakeclaiming, you deserve to be lynched on principle, as vanillas should never fakeclaim power roles, particularly on Day 1, and if you are a power role fakeclaiming, then there is a good chance that you are actually an anti-town role, perhaps an SK or something. So, how does raising the spectre of fakeclaiming help you instead of just disclosing the flavour that would support your claim? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand this.

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

And? That has nothing to do with what I wrote. What is your point?

Regards,
Jazz

[Jazzmyn]

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

In what way is this at all relevant to what he said?

SHE said in that big long post that I didn't claim my flavor, but if she had been around instead of active lurking, she would have seen that I did.

No, that's not what I said at all. Perhaps you could read that "big long post" again, for comprehension this time. And I have not been lurking, actively or otherwise, but nice try.

Regards,
Jazz

[MonkeyMan576]

While I appreciate your consideration, I don't see how hypothesizing about fakeclaiming is scummy. Being confirmed town is more likely to get you killed, especially if you have a power role. Leaving open the idea of fakeclaim, while leaving the possibility of a town lynch, also makes it less likely that scum will go after you.

I'm not sure I understand that. You have already claimed a town power role, so how does refusing to disclose supporting flavour make you "confirmed" any more than you already were? How does suggesting that you were fakeclaiming make you less likely to by lynched? (i.e., if you are a vanilla townie fakeclaiming, you deserve to be lynched on principle, as vanillas should never fakeclaim power roles, particularly on Day 1, and if you are a power role fakeclaiming, then there is a good chance that you are actually an anti-town role, perhaps an SK or something. So, how does raising the spectre of fakeclaiming help you instead of just disclosing the flavour that would support your claim? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't understand this.

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

And? That has nothing to do with what I wrote. What is your point?

Regards,
Jazz

If you tell people your whole strategy then it's not a strategy. Either you believe me or you don't.

[Gorrad]

Sure it is, MM! For example, my strategy is to wait until someone does something I dislike and pounce on it. There, I said it! Is it now not a strategy?

Now, SCUM strategies I could see following that.

[semioldguy]

Those are all the same question. Please don't exaggerate a case by making something sound like more than it is.

Questions that require research shouldn't be expected to be answered in the same timeframe as questions that don't. In fact, it's quite rude to ask such a question and demand it be answered immediately.

692 has other things for you to address as well.

I first suspected you around post 126, semioldguy.

Which shows that you didn't suspect me first.

[Jazzmyn]

If you tell people your whole strategy then it's not a strategy. Either you believe me or you don't.

You quoted my post but you didn't actually answer my questions, Monkey. Please do so.

Regards,
Jazz

[MonkeyMan576]

Sure it is, MM! For example, my strategy is to wait until someone does something I dislike and pounce on it. There, I said it! Is it now not a strategy?

Now, SCUM strategies I could see following that.

Exactly. Having a strategy is not a scumtell.

But some of us have more complex strategies than others. Some of us may want to share our strategies more or less than others. And some may be think than downplaying strategy may be a scumtell.

[Starbuck]

@Jazzmyn - I claimed my flavor well before Monkey.

In what way is this at all relevant to what he said?

SHE said in that big long post that I didn't claim my flavor, but if she had been around instead of active lurking, she would have seen that I did.

No, that's not what I said at all. Perhaps you could read that "big long post" again, for comprehension this time. And I have not been lurking, actively or otherwise, but nice try.

Regards,
Jazz

I did re-read and I apologize for being wrong. I was catching up right when I first woke up this morning.

But you have been active lurking enough to get yourself prodded. You used the excuse of the site being down, but when you replied we had all been back to posting for quite a bit.

[StrangerCoug]

If you tell people your whole strategy then it's not a strategy.

This does not make sense.

Some of us may want to share our strategies more or less than others.

This contradicts the above.

Mod: Please prod Neopi.

[Neopi]

im sorry for my lack of posting im still catching up

[chamber]

im sorry for my lack of posting im still catching up

Can we lynch this guy already?

[Starbuck]

Vote: Neopi

I'm tired of his lurking, and his constant "I'm catching up, I swear!" posts.

Lynch all lurkers.