Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[ZazieR]

Looker

, why did you vote DJ?

Because my current conclusion is that the Mafia are:

Don_Johnson, Sanjay, & [Cookie - OR - BigBear]

, so

FoS the whole lot of'em

.

With what reasons?

[EtherealCookie]

So why don't you ask questions to those who you suspect or comment on recent discussion(s)?

I don't suspect anyone, honestly.

[ZazieR]

So why don't you ask questions to those who you suspect or comment on recent discussion(s)?

I don't suspect anyone, honestly.

Question: What will you do during the days?

[DeathRowKitty]

You're exactly describing said fallacy. You saw something scummy, but thought that it was so scummy, it couldn't have come from that player as scum.
That's the 'too scummy to be scum'-fallacy

I guess I was working under a slightly different definition of "too scummy to be scum." TBH, I'm not a huge fan of age-old mafia theory. I know that I personally exploit a lot of classic theory as scum and I don't doubt others do too, especially with how well known it is. I would explain further, but I'd prefer not to give away secrets to my meta

Because my current conclusion is that the Mafia are: Don_Johnson, Sanjay, & [Cookie - OR - BigBear]

Why Sanjay? I've had a town read on him most (all?) of the game.

[Looker]

Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum
Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site

[Knight of Cydonia]

Confid is about as town as it gets.

unvote

Because I have no idea why my predecessor voted Cookie yet, and I don't want to contribute to any stupid lynches.

[Looker]

Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum

Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site

Updated to reflect Cydonia's recent unvote

[DeathRowKitty]

@Looker
How does Cydonia's unvote alter your suspicions?


Also, something I just read elsewhere might make me change my read on BB within the next 4 or 5 days. I'll re-read him at some point in the near future.

[Looker]

Cuz I'm working under the assumption that Mafia won't lynch other Mafia.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Yeah, bussing never happens in Mafia AT ALL.

[Looker]

but if it does we benefit from one less mafia

[ZazieR]

Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum
Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site

I don't understand the logic behind this. Can you elaborate on it?

[ZazieR]

KoC

- How far are you with your read?

[ZazieR]

Sanjay - Was working under the assumption that you and Confid are town
DJ - Because I doubt Zaz, Peabody, and Shrine are all scum

Cookie - OR - BigBear - I'm leaning town on Nook & Cydonia.

So sorry guys but working off limited resources, including time, will try to actually benefit the site

Updated to reflect Cydonia's recent unvote

Don't understand why it changes anything. I have seen your reason why, but why does it alter your third suspect?

[ZazieR]

but if it does we benefit from one less mafia

And it gives the mafia who pushed for his buddy lynch town points.

[Looker]

i dont do townie points

[ZazieR]

Yes, you do. You already showed that.
Mind giving the elaboration I asked for?

[Looker]

who was that guy in your last avatar? ive seen him somewhere before.

elaboration - i doubt mafia will kill off their own if they dont have to. could u ask a more specific question, i dont think i'm saying what you want me to say.

[ZazieR]

I don't know who the guy was. Ether took that guy from Incog's avatar and his avatar is from some movie I've never seen. Me and Incog were against her being a member of Mith's minions and so she took his head and combined it with my avatar. (Short summary)

Anyway, I'm asking for two elaborations:
-First is about your first list. You stated reasons why you saw that as scumteam. You had 4 off your scumlist, because you see them as town. But with three who were off your scumlist, this wasn't the reason stated. You couldn't see me, Peabody and Shrine as scumteam. So why wasn't one of us included in the scumlist?
-Secondly, the alteration of the third scum. How does KoC's unvote change it? I've seen your reason, but how does it alter the third suspect when KoC isn't in your scumlist?

[Looker]

Questions
- Why weren't one of you, Peabody, and Shrine included in the scumlist?
- How does KoC's unvote affect my suspicions when KoC wasn't in my scumlist?

Answers
- For me to believe DonJ is town, I would have to assume that the three of you are scum, which would be the case if DonJ were to flip town. I'm always planning for the next day, so if DonJ were to flip town, I'd suspect the three of you; however, we can't lynch the three of you today so I'll suspect DonJ today.
- Was using both Nook's and KoC's votes as a method of triangulation on Cookie, who was voting for BigBear. (I am utterly aware of how stupid this sounds, trust me)

I'm still learning, so it would be really helpful if you can tell me just how much you disagree. Thanx, Zaz.

[ZazieR]

One question left after looking at your past posts:
-What happened to your Confid suspicions?

I disagree with the part where you say that me, Peabody and Shrine are scum if DJ is town. Because if this should be the case, it must mean that DJ is scum.
But you're basing most of your suspicions on PoE. So I disagree with most of it. The only ones I agree with are Confid, DJ and DRK.

And I still don't understand the KoC unvote stuff.

[Looker]

What's PoE?

And people started moving their votes around. I doubt Confid's scum alone so I try to see how the entire thread is moving before I base any allegations.

[ZazieR]

Process of Elimination.

[Looker]

O I guess

[DeathRowKitty]

i doubt mafia will kill off their own if they dont have to.

I think you're basing your suspicions a little too much on votes. In my last game as scum (DJ replaced into the game near the end of Day 1), I spent about half of Day 1 with my vote on one of my buddies (and would have looked to lynch him if his claim hadn't sounded believable). Sometimes, the only motivation needed for bussing is a scummy-looking partner.

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Does anyone know what's going on with CA? (Is he still around, is he getting prodded/replaced, etc?)