Mini 862 ~ Mafia of Order (Game Over!)

[Sotty7]

Lurking I can only assume. VP do you still find Cobalt scummy?

[VP Baltar]

Well, I don't care for his play at all and tend to side with Sensfan's assessment of his play in terms of his claiming. However, as I said before, it also seems very VI-ish...so I can't determine whether he is lynch worthy or not. Obviously the scum kept him around for a mislynch if he is actually town and I'd rather not oblige that if that's the case.

Juls dying is interesting in a lot of ways and not something I would have expected. I want to go back and read her in iso before the day is out. I don't know if she breadcrumbed her role at all, but it seems an odd kill choice.

LL votes are for all of the strategic lurking he seems to be doing. If he keeps it up, I'm happy to lynch. His next post better be an imporvement or it'll be time to bang the drum.

Kmd-you have anything more substantial to contribute? You said you have no fear of running out of posts, so I'd expect you to actually take some sort of initiative this game instead of remaining mostly silent on Day 2.

I want more from DT Master too.

[Goatrevolt]

I'm voting Locke mostly because his play in this game has been fairly low key and reminds me of how he played the last time I saw him as scum.

Juls was a Guardian. I have no clue what that is, but I would guess it's some sort of a bodyguard or doc type role. My initial assumption was bodyguard when I saw it, which could explain her death, but it really could be any kind of protective role.

I'm curious why Saber is voting Locke, though. What bumped him beyond Sens in terms of scumminess?

[DTMaster]

@Town
Sorry I caught the flu the past few days which also induced a migraine so I couldn't post.

@Cobalt/VP
I find it odd that when VP said he gained 2 posts you said you tried to target VP for two posts but got blocked. Then VP corrected himself to 7 posts. It smells like something too convenient to me.

@Sabre
273: :S. Would post number be a strong indication of scumminess? Personally I find that a weak argument and would rather focus on scum hunting in general. Content over amount.

FoS:Sabre

since I find that to be poor reasoning in general.

@People who are voting for Locke
I did a post search and his last post was in this game on the 21st for this site. I would say his "lurking" = scummy argument would hold more water if he posted in other games. Therefore I'm more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, or it's time to get a replacement.

@KMD
Yoh, you voted and you didn't answer my question? Have some motivation

Vote: KMD

[Vi]

The day is upon us... A day that will stand proudly in the history of Crimea. Today, a weak queen falls...and a new king prevails!

Vote Count:

Locke Lamora (L-3) ~ VP Baltar, Goatrevolt, saberwolf

Cobalt (L-4) ~ SensFan, Kmd4390
fuzzylightning (L-5) ~ Cobalt
Kmd4390 (L-5) ~ DTMaster

SensFan (L-6) ~

saberwolf

Not Voting:

DTMaster,

fuzzylightning, Locke Lamora, Sotty7

--With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
--Deadline is Tuesday, October 27 2009.

(4 days left)

Post Count:

saberwolf - 21
Cobalt - 38
DTMaster - 10
fuzzylightning - 13
Goatrevolt - 23
Kmd4390 - 26
Locke Lamora - 6
SensFan - 23
Sotty7 - 12
VP Baltar - 23

[Locke Lamora]

Not sure what to make of Cobalt's claim right now, but I think it's more likely that she was roleblocked than fakeclaimed the post ability.

Saber's vote on me is pretty opportunistic and I would also like to know how I became top suspect ahead of Sens.

I don't like KMD's vote-hopping close to deadline. His suspicion of DDD was basically gut and the way he tried to dissuade people from voting DDD then hopped on him twice near deadline smells of opportunistic scum to me.

I'm also getting more and more dubious of Sens' obsession with Cobalt. I agree that Micaiah does not automatically make her town but a substantial amount of his contributions have basically been 'lynch Cobalt' and I get the impression he's now going to think everything she does points to her being scum. His reaction to her being roleblocked indicates this; in the context of her losing posts to give to others, being told that her roleblock failed makes perfect sense.

Unvote; Vote: KMD

[Sotty7]

@Cobalt/VP
I find it odd that when VP said he gained 2 posts you said you tried to target VP for two posts but got blocked. Then VP corrected himself to 7 posts. It smells like something too convenient to me.

I actually agree with this. Also I am still unsure how VP could have got the number of posts wrong. With how Vi informed me there was no way for such a confusion.

I will also join the chorus asking for Saber to explain the opportunistic hop onto LL. Why go for a lurker so easily when you have made a case on sens?

[VP Baltar]

Sotty, I want you to directly paraphrase how Vi informed you of the post bump.

Also, I would like you to explain why you think Juls was killed last night.

I am doing some other reading right now, but I'm hoping to have a more substantial post tonight.

[Cobalt]

Hmmmm... just noticed Sotty said she was ok with claiming post cap, but never did.
Also, didn't VP already explain why he erred re: post cap increase?
I want saberwolf to post more. Case on sens? Case on anyone?
Fuzzylightning is pretty lurky.

[DTMaster]

Whoops. Too many tabs = Posted in the wrong thread. x.x

@Sotty
I do have to say though, the math failure explanation is plausible. I can confirm that I got the same setup as VP's message. I can't put my finger on it but something is giving me odd vibes here. It's note worthy as of now since to me the whole number 2 situation just stands out.

@KMD

Why did you unvote to sabre then changed back if your gut pointed to DDD. It reads as opportunistic vote hopping to force a wagon through day 1. Also do you maintain by your gut reasoning for your scum list?

I also assume you agree with Sens then, despite the whole discussion that is taking place. Do you agree/disagree with the RB situation?

EDIT: You answered the question in your response to LL. :S

@LL
Tunneling, borderline confirmation bias? Reminds me of Foggy Londontown Mafia (check my wiki) were scum tricked the town to do this.

[saberwolf]

To those complaining saying I should post more or asking why the switch to LL:

I only have 57 posts, I have already nearly used up half of them. My posting will be limited. I will vote how I please, and if Sens can get away with such bullshit voting with only getting questioned by me, then I'm taking a page out of his book and just voting with no reasons to save posts. MY sens BW is getting nowhere so I no longer have a reason to pursue it when it has no momentum.

[Vi]

We all wanted to know if our queen would have the power to stop a civil war. But, no, you were too hesitant and too concerned about harming the people... Now look what has happened.

Vote Count:

Locke Lamora (L-3) ~ VP Baltar, Goatrevolt, saberwolf

Cobalt (L-4) ~ SensFan, Kmd4390
Kmd4390 (L-4) ~ DTMaster, Locke Lamora
fuzzylightning (L-5) ~ Cobalt

Not Voting:

fuzzylightning,

Locke Lamora,

Sotty7

--With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
--Deadline is Tuesday, October 27 2009.

(Only got 3 days left)

Post Count:

saberwolf - 22
Cobalt - 39
DTMaster - 11
fuzzylightning - 13
Goatrevolt - 23
Kmd4390 - 29
Locke Lamora - 7
SensFan - 23
Sotty7 - 13
VP Baltar - 24

[Cobalt]

unvote vote kmd

[Sotty7]

Sotty, I want you to directly paraphrase how Vi informed you of the post bump.

She basically said my post total had been raised to x amount and I had x amount of posts left.

As far as Juls is concerned I think she died protecting someone. Really I have no idea what a Guardian role is in this game so I don't know. Vi says something about her being Permanent and Total Protector so the possibly of a weak doc doesn't sound as likely. It's not really something I am going to think too much about because I don't have enough info to glean a decent conclusion.

Hmmmm... just noticed Sotty said she was ok with claiming post cap, but never did.

Huh... You're right, I must have forgotten when I was sick. I had 60 posts now I have 67.

I switched to Saber thinking he had more votes. After seeing a vote count, DDD was the more likely lynch and my preference (second to Cobalt of course) anyway, so I went back to DDD. And yeah, my gut said he was scum.

When did your gut call DDD scum? As far as I remember you were very much against a DDD lynch at first.

[VP Baltar]

Really disappointed that most of the folks in this game are willing to sit back and not try to generate new discussion. That is basically handing the game to scum.

I reread Juls, but didn't see any breadcrumbs or gain any insight into the specifics of her role or who she may have protected last night. Looking at her role (Permanent and Total Protector), I don't think I buy the bodyguard argument necessarily. That role sounds like either a Jailkeeper that protects against all night actions or something new that would grant UNK-ability in exchange for death perhaps (the permanent thing is weird).

I find DT Master pretty damn scummy in iso. He has a lot of stance switches during day one that just seem strange for a pro-town player:
a)says we shouldn't claim post counts, then does in next post
b)says we need to use "behavioral analysis", then spends lots of time talking flavor
c)advocates for active scum hunting from others ("post your scumlist and why") but doesn't do much of that himself. I see him attack lurkers a lot Day 1, and even that is without gusto. He's going with the flow of other people's suspicions all day.

Furthermore, he plunks a vote on ACSN about 5 days from deadline and coasts on it until the day is out, even though he said that he was feeling better about saber's posting. During this time there was a lot of discussion happening re: DDD and other things ,but he comments on almost none of it while he stands by a vote that he doesn't even seem that certain about

Then there is this:

@Cobalt/VP
I find it odd that when VP said he gained 2 posts you said you tried to target VP for two posts but got blocked. Then VP corrected himself to 7 posts. It smells like something too convenient to me.

Which makes absolutely no sense considering I said I gained two posts before Cobalt claimed he gave me two. Looks to me like scum looking for a convenient place to attack without actually paying attention. (especially since he said my explanation makes sense).

Unvote, Vote: DT Master

Sotty, I'll say I don't like your joining the chorus on that attack either when you apparently received the same post as I did. On top of that, what could possibly be the scum motivation for such a move?

I also don't like your latest question to kmd about DDD. He had been saying he thought DDD was scum all day, just wouldn't vote.

People need to start posting and voting because ideally we should have our target decided today.

[Cobalt]

I'd prefer kmd but I am willing to vote DTM for a lynch. However I thought some of his day 1 weirdness was because he was V/LA for some of that time?
Also, I have a hunch that Juls's death was the cause of the global +7 effect. Just based on what seems to be the whole hitpoints-as-posts flavor we seem to have and Juls's role title.
VP, what do you think of fuzzylightning?

[Vi]

I'll never forget him... He was the one warrior who the late King Ashnard trusted. Encased in pitch-black armor, standing tall with a crimson cape... When the Liberation Army fought at the capital, he was there. He sided with the Silver-Haired Maiden.

Vote Count:

Kmd4390 (L-3) ~ DTMaster, Locke Lamora, Cobalt

Locke Lamora (L-4) ~

VP Baltar,

Goatrevolt, saberwolf
Cobalt (L-4) ~ SensFan, Kmd4390
DTMaster (L-5) ~ VP Baltar

fuzzylightning (L-6) ~

Cobalt

Not Voting:

fuzzylightning, Sotty7

--With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
--Deadline is Tuesday, October 27 2009.

(Only got 2 days left)

Post Count:

saberwolf - 22
Cobalt - 40
DTMaster - 11
fuzzylightning - 13
Goatrevolt - 23
Kmd4390 - 30
Locke Lamora - 7
SensFan - 23
Sotty7 - 14
VP Baltar - 25

[VP Baltar]

@Cobalt

fuzzy is neutral to scummy for me. I still don't like his flip flop on DDD, but it is for a legit reason.

Right now I am fairly confident that Sens, Saber and you are probably town. Everyone else is pretty much up in the air,but DT Master needs lynching something serious.

[Goatrevolt]

I think Cobalt and Saber are town.

I'm not positive on VP or Sens, but I'm leaning town on both.

Sotty, DTMaster and KMD I could see go either way.

Fuzzy and Locke are the two scummiest players. Locke has gone back to lurking after people shifted their attention elsewhere, and fuzzy really hasn't done anything townish this entire game, and has been pretty much out of sight out of mind.

I'm still in favor of lynching Locke.

I would like to reread this game and get some fresh insight, but it's probably not going to happen before deadline.

[Cobalt]

Cobalt, what is the case on me?

dunno

unvote vote DTMaster

[Goatrevolt]

Why did you vote him in the first place, then?

[Cobalt]

I like to have my vote on a wagon.

[Goatrevolt]

What about his wagon was better than the wagon on Locke Lamora, who you suggested we should have lynched yesterday over DDD?

[Cobalt]

It was gaining momentum. I felt scum was soon to hop on and wanted to make it easier for them (and thus more obvious), but nobody else voted.

[Goatrevolt]

So let me get this straight. You think KMD is town but yet you jumped on his wagon in hopes of "luring scum on" and even went so far as to say:

I'd prefer kmd but I am willing to vote DTM for a lynch.

and then just decided to jump off when questioned as to why you're voting KMD?

Why do you think you voting KMD would get scum to jump on the wagon? If KMD is town and you're voting him, then they wouldn't really need to get on the wagon as you're pushing it above the threshhold of any other wagon, am I right? If you think KMD is town, why wouldn't you simply just wait and see who jumps on and then attack them for it? Why do you think KMD is town?

This all feels pretty fishy.