Perfectionist Mafia - Resultas

[xRECKONERx]

@Starbuck, what "slip" do you think you made?

[FaerieLord]

Do you mean snow white?

[xRECKONERx]

Err, yeah.

[Starbuck]

I was gonna say, Reck! LoL.

[Sposh]

I'm very very tempted to vote Starbuck for commenting on Reck's question without answering it.

[Starbuck]

I'm very very tempted to vote Starbuck for commenting on Reck's question without answering it.

Did you not read the following post by FaerieLord after that? His question is directed at Snow White, not myself.

FOS: Sposh

For trying and failing miserably to misrepresent me and not reading things thoroughly

[almightybob]

Sorry all, having internet troubles ATM. My home computer's decided it only wants to start in safe mode now.

Not sure what to think of the cop claim (especially SW's inb4counterclaim sentence), but I think it's probably best if we back up a little for now.

I'm not sure who the next best alternative is, so when I'm in uni tomorrow I'll have a proper read and address any questions aimed at me/decide where I want my vote.

[almightybob]

Scratch the above, I think I might have fixed it. And so my love-hate relationship with technology continues.
Going back to answer questions and place my vote now.

[almightybob]

almightybob, if you don't have any strong reads besides Mufasa, could you elaborate on what is so scummy about Mufasa to you?

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of DeathNote here, not me.

Gonna iso Santos and see if I come to the same conclusions.

Well?

Sorry, had a surprise visit from the girl I'm seeing, so Mafia was at the back of my mind for the weekend. I'm sure you all can understand.

Anyway, iso Santos:

No, I like this:

Vote: Lowell

1) Not a random vote
2) I am picking on a quiet random voter
3) I have a gut feeling he's the quiet scum of the group

Its a little suspicious seeing Snow White go after Lowell as well. Scum partners? Its possible, but purely speculation atm. I won't forget her vote on him earlier.

Aside from the fact that it took him 6 pages to check in, I'm confused by this not-random random vote, and the related SW logic. If it's suspicious for SW to go after Lowell, why wouldn't it be suspicious for you to do it? And pairing scumpartners like that (even though you attempt to defuse it immediately by labelling it "pure speculation") is strange. You need a fair degree of certainty that Lowell is scum before SW's interaction with him looks scummy. I can't see anything that would give this degree of certainty.

His next noteworthy post is page 11:

Caught up.

Wow, Mufasa, if I could, I would daykill you for that post.

FoS: Mufasa

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Welcome, RECKONER, it seems I don't play any game without you being in it :p

Also, I think this Snow White wagon is bullshit. There is nothing substantial upon it except bandwagon votes with crap reasons.

I'm going to reread BloodCovenent and Lowell. They are particularly scummy, imo.

So Mufasa's post is scummy enough for a daykill, but not a vote? When your vote is on someone with 2 posts? That doesn't add up.

Also, we never saw the fruits of this BC reread.

Only other notable post (snipped for relevance):

Santos - Scum - Haven't been impressed by any of his posts.

You're impressionable? lol Would you like a cookie?

[...]

I don't know... it did seem rather opportunistic. Did he ever clarify his reasons for suspecting BC? If he did, I don't recall. I know why I would have voted BC (though there are a few others I'd rather vote for now), but I don't want to speak for everyone.

Oh yeah, I need to read that fool in ISO...tbc'd.

Lowell. With a fourth vote on BloodCovenent i thought this was opportunistic.

Ah, there is the refresher why I wanted to look back at him. I saw this as a total bus/distancing.

[...]

Meh, I'll do BloodCovenent later. Football is on. I've been on mafia scum all damn day it seems.

Deliberately misinterpreting people isn't helpful. You seem to have no adequate response to the "unimpressed" accusation.

And more promises of a BC reread we never get.



So upon rereading Santos, I agree with you wicked. He's pretty scummy. There's very little content, and yet he calls others out for lurking. His actions are inconsistent, or unhelpful. He promises rereads, but doesn't follow through.


Having said that:
BC is on 6 votes right now, and with only 4 days to go until deadline I'm thinking the case on him might just be strong enough to merit his D1 lynch now that SW has claimed cop.
But Santos is high on my scum-meter right now.

Unvote, vote: BloodCovenent

[xRECKONERx]

More BC votes plz.

[Wickedestjr]

The claim is no good, considering it doesn't even reflect the first page's roles correctly. If this were a close setup I'd keep my vote off, but her claim doesn't even resemble the one in the rules

Unvote
Vote: SW

Is this for the reasons I stated? If so, do you really think the points I provided are strong enough indicators that she is lying?

2: Which contradiction then? I thought you were pointing out the sanity part.

Well, I guess it wasn't really a contradiction, but this is what I was talking about;

Why did you feel the need to say this? Surely if there was another cop, they would have been told the same.

Really?
I made a decent post on monday.
So, yes, I've contributed.

Yeah I know. That was six days before I made the comment. Almost a week before I said something.

I'm not jumping on the Snow White bandwagon, I don't see any good reason to. Case isn't strong enough for me, but not like that's going to her from getting lynched right now.

Do you see inconsistencies in her claim?
Do you believe the claim?

I really really really really hate this bullshit Snow White wagon. WHY THE FUCK ARE WE STILL LYNCHING THE CLAIMED COP? ARE YOU ALL FUCKING MAD?

My god. If you guys lynch the claimed cop on D1, I will replace the fuck out of this game, I'm not playing with such an awful town. More BC votes. Now.

So are you saying you believe the claim?

@Wicked. And yet it has come from a townie. Seriously, either way i have the most amount of votes of so i'd be killed at deadline no?

If you noticed, the deadline was six days after you claimed. Do you really think that's not enough time to switch?

Hey. NO one said i couldnt have a sense of humour here. Ehm.... a non scum power role... that i cant provide im afraid. I dont think. Every finished game i have played is in my wiki. Except Hoopla's the seaside in which i was a vanilla.

Okay. That is a big fat lie. Looking in your wiki, you have in fact played as a cop before;

2.)** Her second game was again run under the golivewire forum Eastern University of Michigan Mafia, username "Keiraoasis". This game was run under "Thriftweed" and

she played as cop.

After a fellow player "CharolastrA" announced they were cop "KeiraOasis" too roleclaimed cop. It was agreed that they would both vote no vote and wait until the results of the investigation the following morning but despite efforts, town voted "CharolastrA" off. "CharolastrA" was proved "insane bulletproof cop". From then on "KeiraOasis" was continually roleblocked. Town lost. Eastern University of Michigan Mafia Days 1-7

Why the lie?

Having trouble imagining a cop would say "but hey any non believers. Lynch me and lets find out" Notably enough Wicked your vote has stayed on me in spite of your "indecisiveness". This comes after days of being hunted and me being sick, im not altogether with it atm but i have tried my best.

I'm not done questioning your claim. I will change my vote soon, but that doesn't mean I have to do it now.

No. I have been told nothing of if or either there are two cops.

Then why did you say;

BTW. im aware there is likely one other cop out there as my sanity is not assured.

These two statements seem to be contradictory of each other.

I explained why i thoguht there was another cop. My first game of mafia i played as cop on another forum. We were all a bunch of newbs so when one cop claimed wasnt i surprised and somewhat disbelieving because i was cop too. But town lynched the girl who roleclaimed cop and whaddya know she flipped "insane bulletproof cop". So frankly id rule nothing out... again thats the second game played in my wiki.

If you admit to have been a cop before, then why did you say earlier that you had never been a nonscum power role?

The bold confuses me.

I don't believe your claim, but you could be the cop, so I don't want you lynched. I don't understand the confusion.

Id be happy lynching anyone over myself but chances are i will be roleblocked anyway if there be a roleblocker in the house.

Don't forget the theme in this game.

Whats the case on BC? Yes the lurking is suspicious but id be skeptical as to whether its due from college commitments or just lurker mafia. He however did seem opposed to my lynch. Dont particularily find that scummy. But if someone has anything else lol. do share.

He was posting in other threads in the Theme Park, so I know he has the time to post. He is just choosing not to.

[Wickedestjr]

In post 464 Starbuck makes two good points on Snow White that hadn't been brought up. These were the points;

Newbscum. Were i to pick two words to describe me. Calculating and Manipulative.

I have yet to see this.

So explain to me how you FOS Wicked in 312, but then you turn right around and say that you agree with Almightybob that Wicked is town in 348.

This seems very, very weird, especially after Mufasa's very scummy jump onto Snow White's bandwagon.

It was scummy, sure. I just don't know if it means he's scum.

I know that Solemn is replaced now, but I don't like how he gives Solemn a free pass here, especially since the guy has not participated at all.

What exactly can I do about that though? If I think he's town, I'm not going to say I think he's scum.

Saying many of his points were bad and not explaining why they were bad is just scummy in my book. You say you don't like the points he provides against MrSuave, but you don't say why you don't like them. The same with his post about Sanjay's 175, you just say you don't like it, and you do not provide a reason why.

I don't really have any comment on this other than, it is pretty clear I didn't put much elaboration into any of the reads I gave.

How about something concrete? Like a case?

I thought my responses to Santos's posts was enough, but I guess not.

[Sanjay]

Snow White, how much had you looked at and considered the sample role PMs at the start of the thread before making your claim?

[Wickedestjr]

If you are town and the predecessor made themselves look scummy, you have to work really hard to show that you aren't scum, and vice versa.

Yeah, but you were pointing out scummy things that nook did. How does that work out?

I think this is perfectly fine. It's when the fine line of attacking the argument turns into attacking the person.

I understand that this is your opinion. But I've done the exact same thing in one of my games before. You think people should only have their arguments attacked if they make a bad argument? I think the player guilty of the bad argument should be attacked.

How can you say this when RVS was pretty much ended on the first page of the game? You had the ones that came in later and still random voted, but the game was out of RVS before the end of the first page.

I still don't think the RVS ended so fast, but it is a debatable argument that I don't feel like going into.

It's not the thought Reckoner. It's the wording

"someone else might slip"

Implying, she already slipped.

That's not what I was saying, but this is a good point too.

I'm very very tempted to vote Starbuck for commenting on Reck's question without answering it.

Did you not read the following post by FaerieLord after that? His question is directed at Snow White, not myself.

FOS: Sposh

For trying and failing miserably to misrepresent me and not reading things thoroughly

You overreacted here imo.

More BC votes plz.

No.... Okay fine.

Vote: BloodCovenent

(I still want Snow White to respond to my posts)

That's L-2. No more votes.

[xRECKONERx]

Yes, I believe the claim, at least tentatively. Whether or not the claim is real or fake... the claimed cop isn't the lynch on D1.

[BloodCovenent]

Catching up now. I had a really long, bad, awful weekend. I'm gonna shoot for a post tonight.

[almightybob]

BC: You're at L-2 with about 4 days to go before deadline. Claim ASAP please.

[Starbuck]

@Wicked - How did I overreact? He was definitely trying to misrepresent me there.

[Max]

Deadline - 4 Days

Vote Count - 12!

7 Votes:
BloodCovenent (Mufasa, EtherealCookie, xRECKONERx, Sposh, saberwolf, AlmightyBob, Wickedestjr, Starbuck)

4 Votes
Snow White (My Milked Eek, Deuxieme Octopus, Mufasa, dramonic)


3 Votes:
Mufasa (Sanjay, DeathNote, Santos)
Sposh (MrSuave, dramonic, BloodConvenent)

1 Vote:
Faerie Lord (SnowWhite)
xRECKONERx (Faerie Lord)

0 Votes:
Sanjay, My Milked Eek, DeathNote, dramonic, Wickedestjr, Mufasa, Santos, xRECKONERx, DuexiemeOctopus, EtherealCookie, AlmightyBob, saberwolf, Mr Suave

18 Players, 10 to Lynch

Mod - Can we have prods on the following:

Mufasa - Last Post on Thurs, Oct 22nd
BloodCovenent - Last Post on Weds, Oct 21st
MrSuave - Last Post on Mon, Oct 19th

Mufasa -> Autoreplace
BloodCovenent and MrSuave -> Prodded
And remember you are allowed to prod at your discretion.

Prod Count
Mufasa - REPLACED
BloodCovenent - 3 (Next = Replace)
DeathNote - 1
Santos - 1
Sanjay - 1
Lowell - 1
Wickedestjr - 1
AlmightyBob - 1
My Milked Eek - 1
Deuxieme Octopus - 1
Mr Suave - 1

[Starbuck]

Mod: I'm not voting for Sposh. I FOS'd him.

I'm voting for BloodCovenent

[Starbuck]

Let me add that you have me on the list voting twice, but neither is for the person I am currently voting for (BloodCovenent).

You have me voting Snow White and Sposh.

[dramonic]

Mufasa and Dramonic are also voting twice on the count. Additionally, there are 8 votes on BC, not 7

@Wicked: More than just the flaws you pointed out.

[BloodCovenent]

BC: You're at L-2 with about 4 days to go before deadline. Claim ASAP please.

I take it you'd like me to skip my analysis and previous questions asked? And just claim?

I'm a cop.

[Santos]

I thought I made it clear about my thoughts on Lowell, BloodCovenent, Mufasa and Snow White.

Are you confused?

[dramonic]

This just keeps getting better and better.