Monty Python Quest for the holy grail, GAME OVER!!!

[korais666]

[haunt]Well... that sucks... damn... *stomps out cig*

Yes, many will mourn my death!

good luck town![/haunt]

[Darkblade]

*sniff sniff*

Saigon smells like scum.

Vote: Saigon

Basically gut, will later cite quotes that make him suspicious to me.

[Dragon Slayer]

I guess I could go with that. I remember disagreeing with him a couple times. If you cite some quotes I'll probably go along if I agree with them.

-DS

[Werebear]

I still think it was mod error. We shall see shortly.

[mathcam]

I too suspect Night Stalker is actually dead, but the other idea is somewhat intriguing. I have no idea if I would try to lynch him again.

Cam

[Macros]

accusing the mod of error, a very brave thing to do

Night stalker is strapped down, and an axe sharpened
~thunk~
one arm off
"its only a flesh wound!"
~thunk~
two arms off
"barely a scratch!"

i see no night stalker dies, do you?

[mathcam]

Wow. Well then.

Arguments against killing Night Stalker again:
- It is somewhat unlikely, though certainly not unheard of (Leonidas jumps to mind) that an evil would be given lynch immunities.
- There have been no deaths from the Black Knight.

Arguments for killing Night Stalker again:
- He's still the Black Knight.
- In the movie, the Black Knight attempted (or at least threatened) to kill Arthur even after he was missing limbs, which he is currently doing.
- If he's evil in a group by himself, it's not unreasonable to think that his role might be something evil but that is weakened each time he is lynched.
- Though no deaths, there are several scenarios which explain this. He might have the ability to store them (and might have lost them when lynched), or he might have some other win condition. A black knight who wants the death of everyone but doesn't have the means to bring about this end does seem farily fitting.
- If he will take a couple of lynches to kill, it's certailny best to get them done early. It sounds like it will take two more, one for the legs, and one for the death.

I know some of you disagree, but it seems fairly clear to me that

Vote: Night Stalker

is the right thing to do. And if he doesn't die, I think we've got to ask for vig-kills if there are any.

I don't think we should jump to the lynch by any means...let's work this through to the right conclusion, but I'm voting with my gut for now.

Cam

[Saigon]

We must not lynch Nightstalker again!!!

He only lost his arms, clearly he'll only lose his legs if we lynch him again.

Vig-killing him might be a good idea though.

---

On the "Saigon is suspicious" argument. I'm flattered that people notice me but I don't really have anything to say about it except for a sterotypical "I'm Innocent" statement, untill I know why I'm suspicious

So, I guess everyone (Including me) would like to hear quotes.

[Werebear]

A direct quote from Saigon:

[quote="Saigon"]I'm suspicious [quote]

And you wonder why.

[mathcam]

We must not lynch Nightstalker again!!!

He only lost his arms, clearly he'll only lose his legs if we lynch him again.

Ummm...okay. I said that exact thing in my post above, but I certainly don't see how this implies we shouldn't lynch him. What makes you think vig-killing him would have any different of an effect?

Cam

[Night Stalker]

I'm half tempted to just keep quiet and let you draw your own conclusions. Besides, it's hard to type when you're missing your arms.

Fishbulb - I knew I had limited ability to survive a night attack, but I had no idea if it would survive a lynching too.

Mathcam - What more do I have to do to prove my innocence? Why are you so eager to waste another lynch on me? You already know I'm the Black Knight, so lynching me again will just waste another day, without providing any new information - which was exactly why you argued for lynching me yesterday! You're contradicting yourself.
You also went awfully fast from "no idea if I'd try to lynch him again" to "let's spend another day lynching him".

FOS:

Mathcam. (With a healthy does of OMGUS thrown in.)

Vote: Loose Cannon.

I still think he's scum.

[Orbiting]

I'm halfway inclined to lynch NightStalker again, just to see what happens... not very productive for the game, though, so I should probably squelch that curiosity.

At this point though, I really don't know who to go for. The Black Knight was just an obstacle on the quest for the Grail, as were the Knights of Ni, etc. I wonder why no 3-headed-knight-kill last night? They can talk to each other now, right?

[Dragon Slayer]

If Night Stalker was once anti-town, he is helpless now, IMO. I don't think he's capable anymore to hurt anyone. No vote from me.

-DS

[mathcam]

Three-headed was quite possibly blocked or hit a doc-protect. I'd be a little surprised if it were anything more than that.

Mathcam - What more do I have to do to prove my innocence?

I guess my question is for you is what

have

you done to prove your innocence? Yes, I already know you're the black knight, but I certainly don't see why lynching you is a waste. If you're evil, we have to get you good and dead before the endgame. Look at Leonidas in Famous Women Mafia, who had a bunch of kill immunities and was evil. If they had let him live to the end, he proabbly would have dominated. Having someone around who's possible evil and who's hard to lynch is simply a liability. I think you're title "Black Knight" and the role he played in the movie certainly qualifies you as "possibly evil."

It wasn't awfully fast to me. I spent 20 minutes thinking about the pros and cons, which is a lot more time than most people (myself included) spend on most posts.

Though I am a little shocked that you're voting for Loose Cannon instead of me. Hmm. Maybe this is an alternate win condition for Night Stalker. He knows Loose Cannon's role and part of his job is to kill him. Note that this paragraph is admittedly wild but possible speculation. Or are you just that sure?

Cam

[Darkblade]

After he reccomends a bandwagon on mathcam because he was bandwagoning a lurker and got shot down...

Bah, I still don't like it.

Just my opinion though

It just seems like a good way to end the day with a innocent/"rival mafia"/whatever killed if you're a mafia/sk.

But if nobody finds Mathcam suspicious, who else do people consider suspicious?

I'm ready to join a bandwagon

if someone has anything atleast sligthly concrete to work on, but

I refuse to place a random vote on day 4.

Come on, bring forth the usual suspects

(emhasis mine)

He seems extremely eager to bandwagon anybody. Furthmore, one can always look back at page 19 or something and see Saigon "randomly" votes DS on day four, something he vowed not to do. Furthermore, he seemed pretty insistant on getting a role-claim from bane after a vote and teling hiim that he needed to claim.

Then after DS chews Saigon out for his "random" vote, he posts this:

At this point I thought that people have nothing to come with and we have to randomvote, or maybe it would get people to talk.

I guess I'll change my vote to Night Stalker if he gets one more vote.

As I see it I only have 4 choices.

1. Vote Nightstalker, and

we might just get another innocent to roleclaim.

2. Vote Mathcam, and nothing would happen because nobody seems to agree with my reasons for suspecting him. (I don't think he's very suspicios, but neither are the rest of you, so he's topping MY suspicious list)

3. Not vote, and nothing would happen, atleast nothing I contributed to.

4.

Random vote, and maybe we get someone to defend themselves in a scummy way or whatever,

atleast something happens.

But like I said I'll change my vote to Nightstalker if he gets another vote, atleast we'll keep the game moving, and I don't find him any less suspicious than any one else either so I guess it can't be worse than a random vote.

Note the inconsistancy. He doesn't want to vote Night Stalker because it "might get another innocent". Yet he's all but willing to vote,

if someone else does first

This seems like a textbook case of trying to bandwagon without being in the spotlight.

All in all, Saigon has obsessed himself with trying to follow the masses, and for this he retains my vote.

Also,

FOS: mathcam

for trying to make the town waste a lynch by lynching NS. Give the guy a break; he has no arms left! Furthermore, the game would be rather silly with 4 killing groups.

[mathcam]

Maybe he's not a killing group. Maybe he has an alternative win condition, maybe even something to do with Loose Cannon. But believing the Black Knight is pro-town is simply beyond me. I can't just find room for that possibility in my head.

Cam

[Dragon Slayer]

Maybe he has to kill King Arthur? Or mearly survive the game?


-DS

[Loose Cannon]

I agree w/ DS on this one. I really don't think that Night Stalker can do anything to the town anymore (His arm's off!).

I will, however, FOS Saigon because of the stuff Darkblade posted.

[Dragon Slayer]

Vote Saigon

.

[mathcam]

Fine, fine. But when he comes back and kills us all in our sleep, I'll be the last one laughing. Well, dead laughing, but laughing nonetheless. (Funny, I seem to remember making an identical post yesterday).

Unvote: Night Stalker, Vote: Saigon

Cam

[Dragon Slayer]

Ok, mathcam, when he comes and bites my bloody head of or chews my arms off, I'm come running to you.

-DS

[Macros]

notice!

i will be away from about 5 minutes time till sunday night.
could a civic minded person do the vote counts for me?
and if a lynch is acheived, sit tight, i'll be home on sunday
sorry for the inconvienience.

[Dragon Slayer]

*hijacks thread and takes macros' ultimate mod powers*

MUHAHAHAA!!!!

-DS

[Saigon]

I must admit that Darkblade made a valid argument, and I'd follow up on it if there wasn't any other suspects at the time, but that's exactly the point:

Read Mini 60 and I guess you'll understand why I've been and still am eager to lynch people. To be honest you could argue that I don't have patience enough to play this game, because to me it feels like a day has lasted forever when it lasts 3+days, maybe unless there's 20+ posts each day, but anyway you get the point.

Anyway I think Mini 60 explains a lot of my behaviour. Actually hadn't it been for the fact that my computer crashed a little over a week ago you would see a lot more "suspicious" posts coming from me

[Werebear]

Can we just say "The Black Knight" doesn't seem to be evil, but we'll keep an eye on him, and we'll move off to someone else?

And I"m out of town until Sunday, I'm visiting Castle Anthrax for some spankings. *Grin* (No, that has nothing to do with my role, I'm just being funny. FUNNY)