Dichotomafia- Games Over

[Fishbulb]

Gah! I still can't help but think this is a trap. Talitha and ralphmerridew could be setting us up. But, at the same time, I don't have anything better here. No matter which way I go, I'm going to feel that it is a bad idea.

Okay, one last chance before I put my vote on Uraj45... Anyone object?

[Fishbulb]

If he's guilty and the game doesnt end, Fishbulb is the other scum.

I really don't like this. Seems to me that she's setting the lynch up for tomorrow, which is only useful for scum to do. Granted, there aren't a whole lot of other likely suspects, but you have to leave your options open.

[Talitha]

There aren't any other feasible options from where I'm sitting.

[ralphmerridew]

If MoS dies tonight, we lynch Talitha tomorrow. Otherwise, MoS decides who to lynch, and does not say so until tomorrow.

[Fishbulb]

Vote: Uraj45

[ralphmerridew]

Vote: Uraj

[Norinel]

Let me just double-check

everything

...

End of Day Vote Count

Uraj45- 3 (Talitha, Fishbulb, ralphmerridew)
raphmerridew- 1 (Uraj45)

Not voting (1): Mastermind of Sin

[Norinel]

(I wanted some time to write this, too. A weird and experimental endgames deathscene for a weird and experimental game. Bonus points to whoever figures out how to read it.)

Town Day 6/Village Night 6

With the sunrise dawns information, for some at least. To Uraj, should his story of cop be believed, ralphmerridew's guilt is clear. "We don't need to act just yet, but

it's so obvious!"

screams Save The Dragons, barging in through PeaceBringer's door. He has to be the last one! He

has

to! Hopefully he can get there

before anything drastic can happen,

all the options have to be considered, and consider the town does. Logical theories of various sorts come forward, but

very little seems clear-

it's all the fault of the rest of the pack, it must be. They never were much help for PeaceBringer; they went and got themselves killed, and where does that leave him? Even for a ghost of a chance,

there's only one thing that can work;

string up Uraj today, go for someone else tomorrow. At least that's how Talitha makes it seem. Some combination of her points and her darling accent wins over Fishbulb, reluctantly

going along with that turn of events,

PeaceBringer awaits STD with open claws, perhaps not as much of a welcoming nature. The silver bullet is ready, but so are PB's inhuman reflexes- cursing his energy fading away, lunging towards his assailant,

with his final gesture clawing

at the rope that binds him, Uraj finally gives up, and ralphmerridew and Talitha finally have the advantage of numbers they've needed.

It's all over.

Nothing in PeaceBringer's house survived that night. Ralphmerridew and the silent speaker wake up with a little bit of hope, and find it in

dealing with the two last victims,

Fishbulb and Mastermind of Sin, is just a matter of a few quick bullets. Nothing interesting about Fishbulb, but looking through Mastermind of Sin's possessions, almost as an afterthought,

ralphmerridew tears up the mason membership card.

"We don't need it any more, right?

It's just us now."

[Norinel]

In other words:

Uraj45 (Cop) - lynched Day 6 by the Town. Mastermind of Sin (Mason) and Fishbulb (Townie) are killed in endgame.

Mafia (ralphmerridew, Talitha II, NanookTheWolf, Save The Dragons) wins!

Save The Dragons (Vigilante) - mauled Night 6 in the Village. PeaceBringer (Werewolf) - shot Night 6 in the Village.

Village (Survived by ralphmerridew and the silent speaker) wins!

So the Mafia Village (All the Mafia, as it turned out) gets the full win, and the Town Village (Everyone except the Mafia and the Werewolves) gets the half win. ralphmerridew survives both games, which is pretty awesome. I'll go nominate him for a Scummy once I figure out how to propose the Best Performance- Other category.

Full info to come. Discuss.

[ralphmerridew]

w00t!

[Mastermind of Sin]

damnit...

[Talitha]

*Village Mason Tally high fives the other masons*
Great job village!


*Town Doctor Tally I shakes her head*
Bastards! Don't you ever lynch me Day 1 again. See what happens?


*Town scum Tally II smiles contentedly and pats ralphm on the back*
A very well played game ralphm.

[Talitha]

Oh and great game Nori. Very original concept, and I would definitely play a dichotomafia game again. I wonder if it would be better/easier with fewer players?

[Norinel]

I think going with a mini would deal with some of the game's problems, but I'd probably make the mechanics more complicated if I run it again. (Trichotomafia, anyone?)

[Fuldu]

I think my biggest complaint was that is was very difficult to keep track of what was going on when you were out of play for weeks at a time. Oh, and that I got boring roles in both halves. Other than that, a very interesting game.

[Uraj45]

Awesome game Norinel. I never really got to enjoy the whole duality thing since I was killed night 1 in the village, but I enjoyed playing in the beginning and the end nonetheless. I got mixed up some times as well, but that's all part of the game. And I

do

understand how to read the final scene. Nice touch.
Ralphm, that was some of the best craplogic I've seen in a while. Well played.
*smacks fishbulb upside the head*
You

always

listen to Uraj. I'll tell you when I'm scum.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'd like to apologize to both teams I was on for being inactive. I was a little miffed at being lynched without a claim in the village, but I am truly sorry for not paying enough attention in the town. My role was pretty boring, seing as my partner never talked to me. I messaged him about the game, and he said to just read the thread. After one day, he died, so being a mason didn't really make it interesting. Then, with me having work all the time, I just lost focus on the game. I probably would've gone after ralph or talitha in the end, too. I am truly sorry about this, guys.

[ralphmerridew]

One thing that surprises me is how little effect the cops had on the game, especially considering how the dual-game gimmick made them more powerful than usual (they might be able to reveal results after being killed).

[Norinel]

Oh, and formal final results, complete with poor formatting. Most notably, (If you hadn't realized it already) Uraj was insane, MMCL was paranoid, willlows was naive, and Nanook was sane. Dethy set amongst the two games, but the useless cops didn't last long enough to make that obvious.

Roles:

Town:

Godfather (1)- NanookTheWolf
Mafia (3)- ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons

You are in the Mafia, composed of NanookTheWolf, the Godfather, ralphmerridew, willows_weep, and Save The Dragons, ranked in that order. You may communicate with any or all of your surviving fellow Mafia during the Town's nights. It is the sole responsibility of the highest-ranking surviving Mafia member to send the choice of whom to send to kill whom each night, and that member's decision cannot be overruled. You may choose not to kill. The Godfather is immune to both nightkills and investigations; a rolename investigation will turn up Townie.

You are anti-town; you win when the death of those not on your side becomes inevitable.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Notes:

I don't normally do common pms, but it's easier in a normalish game. The cannot be overruled bit is in case the Mafia decides the GF is a wolf and is using the mafia kill to the wolves' advantage or something.

Mason (2)- Mgm, Flying Dutchman

You are in the Town's Mason lodge, composed of Mgm and Flying Dutchman. You may communicate with your fellow mason during the Town's nights, and you know your partner to be pro-town.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM.

Insane Cop (1)- Uraj45
Paranoid Cop (1)- MMCL

You are a Cop. Each night, you may investigate a person to learn whether or not they are in the Mafia. Your sanity is unknown.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Doctor (1)- Talitha

You are a Doctor. Each night, you may protect a person from attack.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Outsider (1)- Wacky

You are an Outsider (See Mini 73). Each night, you may investigate a person to determine their rolename. You turn up guilty to investigations. Your sanity is unknown.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Notes:

Sane, gets Townie for the GF.

One-Shot Vigilante (1)- lulu muumuu

You are a One-Shot Vigilante. On one night, you may attempt to kill one other player.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Roleblocker (1)- PeaceBringer

You are a Roleblocker. Each night, you may prevent a player's night action from functioning.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm and send your Night 1 choice by PM.

Townie (4)- Fishbulb, the silent speaker, Fuldu, silgado106

You are a Townie. No powers to speak of.

You are pro-town; you win when the threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM.

Village:

Alpha (1)- Fishbulb
Werewolf (3)- PeaceBringer, Flying Dutchman, lulu muumuu

You are in the local pack of werewolves, composed of Fishbulb, the Alpha, PeaceBringer, Flying Dutchman, and lulu muumuu, ranked in that order. You may communicate with any or all of your surviving fellow werewolves during the Village's nights. It is the sole responsibility of the highest-ranking surviving werewolf to send the choice of whom to send to kill whom each night, and that member's decision cannot be overruled. You may choose not to kill. The Alpha is immune to both nightkills and investigations; a rolename investigation will turn up Villager.

You are anti-village; you win when the death of those not on your side becomes inevitable.

Confirm by PM or in the thread and PM your Night 1 choice.

Mason (3)- ralphmerridew, Talitha, the silent speaker

You are in the Village's Mason lodge, composed of ralphmerridew, Talitha and the silent speaker. You may communicate with your fellow masons during the Village's nights, and you know your partners to be pro-village.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread.

Sane Seer (1)- NanookTheWolf
Naive Seer (1)- willows_weep

You are a Seer. Each night, you may peer into the mind of one player to determine whether or not they are a werewolf. Your sanity is unknown.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread and PM your Night 1 choice.

Healer (1)- MMCL

You are a Healer. Each night, you may protect a person from attack.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread and PM your Night 1 choice.

Apprentice Healer (1)- Wacky

You are an Apprentice Healer. When any Healer dies, you will gain protection abilities.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread.

Vigilante (1)- Save The Dragons

You are a Vigilante. Each night, you may kill one other player.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread and PM your Night 1 choice.

Wolfsbane (1)- silgado106

You possess Wolfsbane. You cannot be killed by the werewolves at night, although this will not protect you when and if the village is outnumbered.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread.

Villager (3)- Mgm, Fuldu, Uraj45

You are a Villager. No powers to speak of.

You are pro-village; you win when the threats to the Village have been eliminated.

Confirm by PM or in the thread.

Aggregate roles:

Save The Dragons Mafia #4 Vigilante
Flying Dutchman Mason Werewolf #3
Mgm Mason Villager
Fuldu Townie Villager
KingEnigma Cop (Insane) Villager
willows_weep Mafia #3 Seer (Naive)
Talitha Doctor Mason
PeaceBringer Roleblocker Werewolf #2
Fishbulb Townie Alpha
the silent speaker Townie Mason
silgado106 Townie Wolfsbane
MMCL Cop (Paranoid) Healer
NanookTheWolf Godfather Seer (Sane)
lulu muumuu One-shot Vig Werewolf #4
Wacky Outsider Apprentice Healer
ralphmerridew Mafia #2 Mason

Distribution Notes:

No mafia werewolves, which would've made things more interesting. But there is a mafia mason and a werewolf mason. The village mason group could interesting- scum, townie, doc. Strangely enough, both vigs are the lowest-ranking evil in the other game.

Town Night 1:

Mafia Summaries:

Mason Summaries:

No notable discussion.

Town Choices:

Mafia (Nanook, ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons): Kill tss with w_w
Insane Cop (Uraj45): Investigate Talitha
Paranoid Cop (MMCL): Investigate Talitha
Doctor (Talitha): Protect Wacky
Outsider (Wacky): Investigate Fuldu
Vigilante (lulu muumuu): No kill
Blocker (PeaceBringer): Block Uraj45

Results: tss (Townie) is shot. Wacky gets "Townie", MMCL gets "Mafia", Uraj gets no result.

Notes: In general, it's not considered good to randomly block N1; this time, it hit the useful cop.

Town Day 1, Village Night 1:

Werewolf Summaries:

Mason Summaries:

Conversation with tallyvision at 2004-09-28 20:23:28 on ralphmerridew (aim)
(20:23:36) ralphmerridew: Talitha?
(20:23:36) Tallyvision logged in.
(20:24:29) Tallyvision: yep
(20:24:53) ralphmerridew: Anything to discuss about Dichotomafia?
(20:25:22) Tallyvision: hmmm
(20:28:03) Tallyvision: Not that I can think of.. except I'm very confused about MMCL.. wondering if its a lepton's gambit but dont really think so
(20:28:11) Tallyvision: you?
(20:28:35) ralphmerridew: Well, I don't consider myself that great of a player.
(20:29:19) ralphmerridew: And, if I really analyze it, I'm really more annoyed by PeaceBringer's behavior than suspicious.
(20:30:44) ralphmerridew: So no, I don't have any worthwhile suspicions yet.
(20:30:59) Tallyvision: yeah.. I have played 2 games with him so far.. in the game i thought he was scum, he was town, in the game i thought he was town, he was scum
(20:31:10) Tallyvision: so I dont trust my judgement where he is concerned
(20:31:12) ralphmerridew: Do you think he's scum this game?
(20:31:34) ralphmerridew: Snap judgement.
(20:31:39) Tallyvision: no
(20:31:43) Tallyvision: but like i said...
(20:31:47) Tallyvision: *shrug*
(20:31:58) ralphmerridew: If you're consistent, that makes him scum this game.
(20:32:32) Tallyvision: maybe.. but maybe I've learned about his style a little
(20:33:51) Tallyvision: brb
(20:33:55) ralphmerridew: Okay.
(20:34:09) Tallyvision logged out.
(20:36:55) Tallyvision logged in.
(20:41:00) Tallyvision: It's going to be weird trying to separate the 2 games. For all I know you could be scum in the town
(20:41:15) ralphmerridew: Ditto.
(20:41:17) Tallyvision: But I have to trust you in the village
(20:41:28) Tallyvision: Really different game
(20:41:37) ralphmerridew: Gee, I'm starting to sound like a fan of Rush Limbaugh.
(20:42:02) Tallyvision: who's that?
(20:42:20) ralphmerridew: Ultra-conservative radio host.
(20:42:36) Tallyvision: never heard of him!
(20:42:43) ralphmerridew: Where are you from?
(20:43:20) Tallyvision: New Zealand
(20:43:35) ralphmerridew: Well, he's very prominent in the US.
(20:43:50) ralphmerridew: I can understand if he's obscure in NZ.
(20:43:52) Tallyvision:
(20:44:15) ralphmerridew: His fans have a reputation for blindly agreeing with anything he says.
(20:44:28) Tallyvision: heh
(20:44:45) ralphmerridew: He calls them "Dittoheads", and one phrase they use when agreeing with him is "mega dittos".
(20:45:04) Tallyvision: hehe
(20:45:54) ralphmerridew: He might have ended his show within recent years; I know he went deaf in his left ear; I believe he admitted to a problem with prescription painkillers.
(20:47:45) Tallyvision: There's so many American household names that I havent heard of...
(20:47:56) Tallyvision: not just people
(20:50:16) ralphmerridew: So, should we try to go after MMCL? Or PB? Or just wait and see for now?
(20:51:55) Tallyvision: I think we need to see some of the other players in action.. the ones who post plenty will be easier to catch if they are scum
(20:54:05) ralphmerridew: okay.
(20:54:14) ralphmerridew: CUL8r.
(20:54:28) ralphmerridew: And I'll forward this transcript to Norinel.
(20:55:09) Tallyvision: cool

Conversation with tallyvision at 2004-10-19 20:16:30 on ralphmerridew (aim)
(20:16:47) ralphmerridew: Talitha?
(20:16:50) Tallyvision: yep
(20:17:26) ralphmerridew: Do you have any idea what sort of result MMCL could have gotten on you?
(20:17:55) Tallyvision: i THINK he's probably a plain old insane or paranoid cop.
(20:18:04) Tallyvision: That is my best guess.
(20:18:23) Tallyvision: But who knows what's really going on
(20:19:30) ralphmerridew: You said that if you claimed, you would be believed. Is that a mason claim?
(20:20:33) Tallyvision: I'm the doctor
(20:20:53) ralphmerridew: Ooh.
(20:21:2 ralphmerridew: This is bad.
(20:21:46) Tallyvision: MMCL knows that I'm claiming to be doc because I sent him a cryptic message about it
(20:21:5 Tallyvision: I hope you're not scum, but I havent really got anything to lose now
(20:22:04) ralphmerridew: How did you send him a cryptic message?
(20:22:36) Tallyvision: something about cubs and sticking to my guns.. its a reference to a previous game
(20:22:42) Tallyvision: long story
(20:22:53) ralphmerridew: MMCL was in that game?
(20:23:05) Tallyvision: yeah
(20:25:59) ralphmerridew: I'm not sure whether you're really the doctor, or if you're scum, but I'll try to derail the bandwagon against you if I can.
(20:26:00) Tallyvision <AUTO-REPLY>: playing games - I'll get back to you
(20:26:53) Tallyvision: I'm not sure if you'll have any luck, but any help is appreciated I am the doctor...
(04:45:11) Tallyvision logged out.

Village Choices:

Werewolves (Fishbulb, PeaceBringer, Flying Dutchman, lulu muumuu): Send FD to kill Uraj45 (10/4)
Sane Seer (Nanook): Investigate Talitha (9/26)
Naive Seer (willows_weep): Investigate Talitha (9/27)
Healer (MMCL): (No choice)
Apprentice Healer (Wacky): (not yet activated)
Vigilante (Save The Dragons): (No choice)

Results: KingEnigma dies by mauling. Nanook and willows get Not a werewolf. tss gets a friendly reminder pm that he's alive again. (Which becames standard practice.)

Notes: PeaceBringer asked how I do mafia kills and blocking; I said that if the mafia member sent to perform the kill is blocked, the kill is blocked. 'Twas tricky to decide how much info to give out. STD asked if he had to kill (vVig). If the seers stick with their choices, Talitha got investigated by four out of five investigators. MMCL is so obviously a cop with a guilty result; unfortunately, he's wrong. (But the Wacky/lulu/Nanook prediction got a scum and a wolf) Why do I not have wolf/healer choices (When the suspension ended)? But with the "I know Talitha's role" bit, MMCL's backtracking the "I AM A COP!!!" statements. (But the Tally/tss discussion reveals that it's a inside comment to MMCL) Hear, hear, Wacky! Discuss the mechanic!

Village Day 1, Town Night 2:

Mafia Summaries:

Conversation with flameraver03 at 2004-10-23 20:28:40 on ralphmerridew (aim)
(20:29:42) ralphmerridew: greets
(20:29:47) willows_weep: heya
(20:29:54) ralphmerridew: did you see the thread?
(20:30:03) ralphmerridew: Scratch one doctor!
(20:30:39) willows_weep: ooo
(20:30:44) willows_weep: what?
(20:30:46) willows_weep: where
(20:30:51) willows_weep: ohh
(20:30:52) ralphmerridew: Dichotomafia.
(20:30:54) willows_weep: heh
(20:30:55) willows_weep: yea
(20:30:59) ralphmerridew: Dr. Talitha was lynched.
(20:31:03) willows_weep: yup
(20:31:10) ralphmerridew: MMCL will likely be next.
(20:31:14) willows_weep: mmcl soooo has to be killed
(20:31:26) ralphmerridew: So, do you think he was an insane cop, or a mafia spy?
(20:31:39) willows_weep: I said maybe he was a night watchman
(20:31:40) ralphmerridew: I doubt the latter, with 4 scum / 16.
(20:31:48) ralphmerridew: Night watchman?
(20:31:51) willows_weep: talitha did go out side mmcl probably followed
(20:32:04) willows_weep: yea I explained this role I know of where you can follow someone at night
(20:32:11) ralphmerridew: Tracker?
(20:32:16) willows_weep: not exactly
(20:32:25) willows_weep: you can potentially save or help a victim
(20:32:34) willows_weep: and you can possibly see the other people around them
(20:32:37) ralphmerridew: But the problem is, MMCL said that, if his information is correct, Talitha is scum.
(20:32:45) willows_weep: true..
(20:32:50) willows_weep: hmm
(20:32:53) willows_weep: so thats out
(20:33:06) willows_weep: but that was really irresponsible of MMCL
(20:33:15) ralphmerridew: Either he's insane / paranoid, or he's evil, and sacrificed himself to get rid of a doctor.
(20:33:23) willows_weep: hopefully Lulu can get lynched too
(20:33:38) willows_weep: perhaps that could be his win condition
(20:33:42) willows_weep: or part of it
(20:34:09) willows_weep: since his coming out in such a way is obviously a hinderance since tally was found innocent and important
(20:34:46) willows_weep: then its possible to view it as a set up
(20:34:51) willows_weep: you know
(20:34:52) willows_weep: ?
(20:35:20) ralphmerridew: Set up? How's that different from my mafia spy suggestion?
(20:35:23) willows_weep: ' why would I be scum when its so obvious that this could be seen as a scummy action? this makes me non scummy because why would scum do that"
(20:35:37) ralphmerridew: Nobody will buy the double negative.
(20:35:45) willows_weep: I didnt hear your mafia spy suggestion
(20:35:48) willows_weep: I know thats the point
(20:35:55) willows_weep: and that is what he has said
(20:36:11) ralphmerridew: The only way he won't get lynched, is if a vig takes him out for us.
(20:36:20) willows_weep: in the most generalist form that is what MMCL has stated from the beginning and what other people are saying
(20:36:23) willows_weep: true
(20:36:32) willows_weep: or someone investigates him and clears him
(20:36:37) willows_weep: he is a likely candidate
(20:36:57) willows_weep: who should we kill
(20:37:42) ralphmerridew: Well, PB is now a semi-confirmed innocent, so we shouldn't let him live too long.
(20:38:00) willows_weep: confirmed or semis are sooo annoying
(20:38:03) ralphmerridew: But first we should try to hunt down the cop.
(20:38:16) willows_weep: what do you think of uraj
(20:38:50) ralphmerridew: He knew he was blocked, so he's slightly more likely to have a role.
(20:38:59) ralphmerridew: Wait - wasn't he replaced by KE?
(20:39:00) willows_weep: or KingEnigma
(20:39:02) willows_weep: ya
(20:39:32) willows_weep: I know but what kind of role do you suppose would be in here of any real consequence to the progress of the town
(20:39:45) ralphmerridew: Another point is that zotting people who are dead in the other universe is slightly better when it comes to cop-hunting.
(20:39:52) willows_weep: theres the rb, the doc
(20:39:57) willows_weep: hm?
(20:40:14) willows_weep: zotting?
(20:40:18) ralphmerridew: If we off anyone else, and get the cop, he can still announce his results in the other thread.
(20:40:27) willows_weep: ohhhh yea forgot
(20:40:27) ralphmerridew: "zot" == "kill"
(20:40:48) ralphmerridew: If we off KE, and he's the cop, his results die with him.
(20:41:29) willows_weep: wonder if there is another doc?
(20:41:37) ralphmerridew: OTOH, if we make a policy of removing the same people as who died in the other uni, then it looks suspicious if one of us dies in only the other uni.
(20:41:47) ralphmerridew: It's possible.
(20:41:56) willows_weep: oh and peacebringer
(20:42:15) ralphmerridew: Semi-cleared, but probably not worth killing yet.
(20:42:39) ralphmerridew: In a game of this size, 2 docs, or a doc and a nurse, is quite possible.
(20:44:34) willows_weep: i want them to kill lulu
(20:44:49) willows_weep: talitha was for it and others who arent too suspicious were too
(20:44:59) willows_weep: and lulu all with the buddying with mmcl
(20:45:16) ralphmerridew: Go for the lulu lynch day 3, or day 2 if the vig offs MMCL?
(20:45:21) willows_weep: dont know how it would work out if its after mmcl
(20:45:25) willows_weep: mhm
(20:45:50) willows_weep: I need to think over my case on lulu some more
(20:46:46) willows_weep: ooo we dont have to have a choice till the village goes into night?
(20:46:56) willows_weep: thats kind of cool
(20:46:58) ralphmerridew: Right.
(20:47:05) ralphmerridew: And we're guaranteed at least five days.
(20:47:10) willows_weep: yay
(20:47:46) willows_weep: good so Ill take some time to comb over the thread and build up my case for whoever Id like to kill or such
(20:47:55) willows_weep: gee does it have to be 14pgs..
(20:47:58) willows_weep: 15
(20:48:12) ralphmerridew: At least it only took a month to go through day 1.
(20:48:22) willows_weep: oooo
(20:48:26) willows_weep: thats howlong it was?
(20:48:29) willows_weep: oh..
(20:48:50) ralphmerridew: Unlike, say, MUNSCM, which is at close to a year, and is still on day 1.
(20:48:52) willows_weep: who are you thinking of nixing
(20:49:02) ralphmerridew: No preference yet.
(20:49:02) willows_weep: whoa..
(20:49:08) willows_weep: thats a while
(20:49:11) willows_weep: oki
(20:50:01) ralphmerridew: I recall somebody said wrt. MUNSCM, that after watching that game, he understood why Bush ignored the UN and invaded Iraq unilaterally.
(20:50:58) willows_weep: hm
(20:51:14) willows_weep: too long for debating no action?
(20:51:42) willows_weep: oh and I do remember now that MMCL does play like that
(20:51:51) ralphmerridew: Does play like what?
(20:51:59) willows_weep: comes out wicked early with stuff then leaves the town to be confused
(20:52:12) willows_weep: the first game I played with him was like that
(20:52:59) willows_weep: lol he always comes off as scummy because of that. It really is irresponsible because you leave the town completely unsure of itself
(20:53:22) willows_weep: but that shouldnt always be done because the town is dependent on the pieces that makes up its whole
(20:53:36) willows_weep: and that just gets them all in a fuss
(20:58:43) ralphmerridew: Well, I'm going to sleep.
(20:59:11) willows_weep: NIGHT NIGHT
(07:43:19) willows_weep logged out.

Conversation with flameraver03 at 2004-10-25 21:18:56 on ralphmerridew (aim)
(21:19:06) ralphmerridew: wills?
(21:19:15) willows_weep: Yup?
(21:19:28) ralphmerridew: Have you talked with either of our fellow scum?
(21:20:23) willows_weep: nope
(21:20:26) willows_weep: I havent seen them
(21:20:37) willows_weep: actually...wait..its nanook and er...?
(21:39:41) ralphmerridew: STD
(21:39:50) ralphmerridew: save the dragons
(21:40:01) willows_weep: yup
(21:40:09) willows_weep: I saw std on and pmd
(21:40:13) willows_weep: but no response yet
(21:40:31) willows_weep: hasnt opened it yet actually
(21:59:15) willows_weep: heya, STD says STD doesnt care about who we nix, that MMCL is likely an easy lynch, nothing else
(22:02:15) ralphmerridew: okay
(22:02:18) ralphmerridew: night
(05:06:32) willows_weep logged out.

Mason Summaries:

Posted: Save The Dragons (11/5), the silent speaker (11/7), Talitha (11/5), Fuldu (11/4), Mgm (11/5), FD (11/7), willows_weep (11/6), Silgado106 (11/6), NanookTheWolf (11/6), PeaceBringer (11/6), lulu muumuu (11/5), MMCL (10/30, away until 11/3), Wacky (11/1), Fishbulb (11/6), ralphmerridew (11/6)

Town Choices:

Mafia (Nanook, ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons): Send Nanook to kill Fuldu (11/1)
Insane Cop (KingEnigma): Investigate Fishbulb (10/25)
Paranoid Cop (MMCL): (No choice)
Outsider (Wacky): Outvestigate Mgm (10/25)
Vigilante (lulu muumuu): (No choice)
Blocker (PeaceBringer): Block Nanook

Results: No one dies. KE gets the result "Mafia". Wacky gets the result "Mason".

Notes: Don't send yourself to kill.

Town Day 2, Village Night 2:

Werewolf Discussion:

Mason Discussion:

Posted: Fuldu (11/22), Mgm (11/22), Wacky (11/22), KingEnigma (11/21), ralphmerridew (11/21), MMCL (11/22), willows_weep (11/22), Flying Dutchman (11/22), Silgado106 (11/22), NanookTheWolf (11/22), PeaceBringer (11/21), Save The Dragons (11/22), lulu muumuu (11/21)

Village Choices:

Werewolves (Fishbulb, PeaceBringer, Flying Dutchman, lulu muumuu): Send PeaceBringer to kill willows_weep
Sane Seer (Nanook): (No choice)
Naive Seer (willows_weep): Investigate PeaceBringer
Healer (MMCL): Protect STD
Apprentice Healer (Wacky): (not yet activated)
Vigilante (Save The Dragons): (No choice)

Results: w_w dies, and gets the result "Not a werewolf"

Notes: The scum get a nice easy lynch today, unless PB speaks up, in which case they get a nice easy lynch tomorrow. Just for extra funness, MMCL's first few posts about not knowing why he didn't get a result are lies; I told him I didn't get a choice, and he said he knows. PeaceBringer mentioned cop vibes on willows; he's right, but w_w's the wrong cop to kill.
Village Day 2, Town Night 3:

Mafia Summaries:

Mason Summaries:

Town Choices:

Mafia (Nanook, ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons): send ralphmerridew to kill Silgado106
Insane Cop (KingEnigma): Investigate PeaceBringer
Outsider (Wacky): Outvestigate PeaceBringer (Changed from KingEnigma)
Vigilante (Coron): (No choice)
Blocker (PeaceBringer): (No choice)

Results: Silgado dies. KE gets Mafia, Wacky gets Roleblocker.

Notes: Lulu/Coron killing willows right now would be double good for her. MMCL's STD, Nanook, FD, Wacky, Willows hits three mafia and a wolf; looks like the scum were going a little bit too hard on the easy wagons. The players are finally starting to get into the Dichoto spirit. Hopefully, it'll get better as the game progresses. (Hopefully, the posting will too)

Town Day 3/Village Night 3:

Werewolf Discussion:

Mason Discussion:

(15:58:00) ralphmerridew: j0
(15:58:14) Tallyvision: hey successful day in the village
(15:58:18) ralphmerridew: yep
(15:58:39) ralphmerridew: I recall you were suspicious of Nanook in the town; who else?
(15:59:02) Tallyvision: epp, it's been so long
(15:59:07) Tallyvision: lulu & fuldu I think
(15:59:15) ralphmerridew: lulu==coron, now.
(15:59:19) Tallyvision: right
(16:00:30) ralphmerridew: Well, there's no hurry yet.
(16:00:46) Tallyvision: but i'll be watching the day and i can message you with any comments as i think of them, which is cool
(16:00:50) Tallyvision: yeah, exactly
(16:00:58) ralphmerridew: I'll be waiting.
(16:01:02) Tallyvision:
(16:01:23) Tallyvision: heh, i still dont know for sure that you're not scum
(16:01:37) Tallyvision: but you do seem pretty innocent
(16:02:26) ralphmerridew: Is there anything I could do to convince you for sure, besides get killed?
(16:03:06) ralphmerridew: Unfortunately, sure is a luxury not available in mafia.
(16:03:11) Tallyvision: hmm.. well the way you are asking me what I think, etc, makes me belive you are town. what's your role?
(16:03:20) ralphmerridew: Townie.
(16:04:36) Tallyvision: I believe you.
(16:04:44) ralphmerridew: Thanks.
(16:05:14) ralphmerridew: Let me know if you get any other suspicions.
(16:05:27) Tallyvision: will do
(16:05:45) Tallyvision: I'm pretty firm on nanook
(16:06:35) ralphmerridew: I recall that there was no kill the night he was blocked; was there another reason?
(16:07:27) Tallyvision: he was on both lynches (me & mmcl) - and i got scum vibes right from early on
(16:08:04) ralphmerridew: He seems to believe he'll be lynched today.
(16:08:14) Tallyvision: yep
(16:08:43) Tallyvision: thats another reason.. i think town would try and clear their name at this point
(16:09:18) ralphmerridew: He said he had an ability; first we see what he claims.
(16:10:41) Tallyvision: right
(16:11:41) Tallyvision: i think STD is definitely scum in one or other game, but not both...
(16:12:00) ralphmerridew: One or the other, but not both.
(16:12:09) ralphmerridew: Your reasoning behind that?
(16:12:15) Tallyvision: well, at least in one game anyway
(16:12:25) Tallyvision: i'm just looking at his voting behaviour
(16:12:38) ralphmerridew: It's a long thread to go over.
(16:13:00) ralphmerridew: I need to refresh my memory before this day advances too far.
(16:13:07) Tallyvision: he was EARLY on the talitha lynch & the mmcl lynch (in the town)
(16:13:31) Tallyvision: he was LATE on the Fuldu lynch, and not on Coron at all (in the village)
(16:13:38) ralphmerridew: Good points.
(16:13:41) Tallyvision: different play styles, see
(16:14:20) Tallyvision: definitely one to keep an eye on
(16:14:26) ralphmerridew: Will do.
(16:14:37) Tallyvision: Right, I'll talk to you later
(17:01:55) Tallyvision logged out.

Posted:

Village Choices:

Werewolves (Fishbulb, PeaceBringer, Mastermind of Sin): Sent MoS to kill Wacky
Sane Seer (Nanook): (no choice)
Healer (MMCL): (no choice)
Apprentice Healer (Wacky): (not yet activated)
Vigilante (Save The Dragons): (no choice)

Results: Wacky dies.

Notes: Bad night for choices, but good day for the town.

Village Day 3, Town Night 4:

Mafia Summaries:

Mason Summaries:

Town Choices:

Mafia (ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons): Send ralphmerridew to kill Wacky
Insane Cop (KingEnigma):
Outsider (Wacky): Outvestigate Save The Dragons (Changed from ralphmerridew)
Vigilante (Coron):
Blocker (PeaceBringer):

Results: Wacky dies and gets a mafia result

Notes: Things are starting to look better for the town/village, although the death of the only cop that was sending choices kind of hurts. On the other hand, the last-minute mason flailing to get Fishbulb lynched was a little unsubtle. OTOOH, the Village masons are being quite powerful, so maybe their revelation will hurt the village a little.

Town Day 4/Village Night 4:

Werewolf Discussion:

Mason Discussion:

Posted:

Village Choices:

Werewolves (PeaceBringer, Mastermind of Sin): Send PeaceBringer to kill Talitha
Sane Seer (Nanook): Investigate Save The Dragons
Healer (SpeedyKQ): Protect ralphmerridew
Vigilante (Save The Dragons): Killz0r SpeedyKQ

Results: Talitha and SpeedyKQ die, Nanook gets the result "not a werewolf"

Notes: Will GOFS hold the game for both sides? They need to get through PeaceBringer's investigation, though; if Nanook investigates him, that'll do it.

Village Day 4/Town Night 5:

Mafia Discussion:

Mason Discussion:

Town Choices:

Mafia (ralphmerridew, willows_weep): Send ralphmerridew to kill PeaceBringer
Insane Cop (Uraj45): (no choice received) (Sent the choice to investigate MoS after the final vote)
Vigilante (Coron): Kill Mgm
Blocker (PeaceBringer): Block Fuldu

Results: Mgm and MoS die.

Notes: Argh, rationalizing about balance. At least they're coming to the wrong conclusions. The (Wrong) double mason death is a cute coincidence and a bad use of a one-shot vig; a scum might be able to ride it to the win by claiming mason, if they kill off Mgm in the Village. Think this game'll make a year? If I suck as much with prods/deadlines/replacements, probably.

Town Day 5/Village Night 5:

Mason Discussion:

Posted:

Village Choices:

Werewolves (PeaceBringer): Kill Nanook (With a note that things aren't looking good.
Sane Seer (Nanook): Investigate Mgm
Vigilante (Save The Dragons): Kill halfpint

Results: Nanook and halfpint die

Notes: The mod error, I believe, was when Coron changed his choice but I recorded it as the mafia changing their choice.

Village Day 5/Town Night 6:

Town Choices:

Mafia (ralphmerridew,Talitha II): Send rm to kill Coron
Insane Cop (Uraj45): Investigate ralphmerridew

Results: Coron dies, Uraj gets the result not mafia.

Notes: So much for PB, if STD follows through with the village plan.

Town Day 6/Village Night 6:

Mason Discussion:

Posted:

Village Choices:

Werewolves (PeaceBringer): Kill STD

hell-- I am dead-- wasn't much I could do. KIll STD if at all possible.
Surprised I lasted as long as did and my partners were zero help here.
UNtil MOS and when he was done for nothing I could do.

Sigh.

Vigilante (Save The Dragons): Kil Peacebringer

PB = scum scum scum die die die shoot shoot shoot I shoot him.

Results:

Notes: It'd be fun if both games were to end simultaneously, but it doesn't look likely. Endgame deathscenes deserve real writeups, so I should start on the Village's as soon as I figure out who PB is killing. Hadn't considered that an Outsider's presence almost proves the existence of another cop, but they really shouldn't assume stuff like that, still.

[ralphmerridew]

Assorted comments:

Right after village willows was killed, I IMed her, told her I was mason with Talitha and tss, and asked about her results. After hearing PB, Tally innocent, I did my best to delay the PB bandwagon until town day (oops). (thought I sent the IM logs to Norinel).

After Wacky's claim, I started to panic. Assuming matching distributions, then we had another cop, a nurse, three masons, and a roleblocker; we'd be hard pressed to get through those claims. Add to that the fact that Talitha was onto most of the other scum; up until the mass reveal, I was hoping just for the mafia to outlive the werewolves.

Village day 4:
I posted that I wanted to hear willows_weeps' results, and in the same post urged the town vig to kill in an attempt to get the vig to kill a non-scum. (This probably would have backfired; Coron would have wanted to shut her up.)

Town nights 4 and 5: Was feeling desperate. Decided to go for Wacky and PB, hoping that the nurse either hadn't been reading the village thread, or otherwise wasn't paying attention.

Town day 5:
For first time since Wacky's claim, I started to think we might be able to win.
Original plan: Remainder is Vig, RB, Nurse, Mason, Town, Maf, Maf. Go along with Fuldu's PB lynch, then try to get him lynched next day.
MGM revived, PB killed: Whoever replaces ww will probably get to claim last. When the nurse claims, press about why didn't he protect Wacky (claimed cop) night 4, or PB (blocker who caught Nanook) night 5. Hope ww's replacement is on the ball enough to see the opportunity and give the answers of "Didn't protect Wacky because I was protected the proven PB; didn't protect PB because ww was away and missed her choice." Try to get real nurse lynched as a result, ww gets lynched next day, and finally hope I can get Fuldu lynched the last day.
Uraj claims cop, and MoS says only two masons: with only 2 supported roles alive, and Talitha being believed, things are looking good.

Town night 6: I expect that tomorrow, whoever he investigates, Uraj will realize that Talitha & I must be the last two scum, and Tally & I will have to convince MoS the last two scum are FB/Uraj instead of us.


In addition to my above comments about how the cops proved less-than-useful, there's also the fact that several times, attacking a cop would have been a mistake (and I think was crucial to mafia win and wolf loss).

[Fishbulb]

Alright. Time for my game analysis:

Village: D'oh!

Town: Last game I play with Talitha... ever!

[Coron]

FOLLOW THE LIST

Fuldu
willows_weep
ralphmerridew


You notice who was on that list? BOTH SCUM
follow the list and it will bring you to victory I HAD IT ALL LAID OUT FOR YOU TOWN *weeps*
oh yes and to village *shakes fist*

[Wacky]

Well, I suck.

Why oh why didn't the doc protect me anyway? MMCL: (no choice) and general inactivity kinda screwed my Master Plan up.

[Activity - > doc will make choices -> mafia less likely to kill me in village -> me looking more likely to be cop in the village and not the town when in fact cop in town -> continuing to lynch scum in the town until someone noticed]

Mafia (ralphmerridew, willows_weep, Save The Dragons): Send ralphmerridew to kill Wacky
Outsider (Wacky): Outvestigate Save The Dragons (Changed from ralphmerridew)

I was sooo close to getting the mafia (well, STD got lynched anyway, but still).

Well, I wish me better play next time. Good day.