Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[Looker]

Ok, so if everyone's caught up and everyone's voting, who are we waiting for? Deadline?

[don_johnson]

i'm nowhere near caught up. don't recall saying i was. not sure what you mean in regards to my "case" against drk. i have spelled out my suspicions throughout my catch up posts. the post you refer to was the culmination of suspicions up to that point. not sure where i'll be as i go along here. if i get the time. clinicals are much more than i bargained for.

[DeathRowKitty]

Bringing up a Jester = steering the town away from looking for scum, onto finding a hypothetical Jester that may not exist.
Bringing up a Jester = creating unnecessary speculation. This is the internet, we all mistrust each other enough as it is. Jester speculation begins all kinds of "should we really lynch him, he might WANT to be lynched" WIFOM.

QFT

How does any of that apply to this situation?

@KoC
Same question

i'm not going anywhere with this. you brought it up. i never said you were more confident in this game. i never compared your confidence level to last game. i simply pointed out that the post read to me like overconfident scum. maybe i'm not choosing the right describer word, but that's how i see it. there is not much to argue here. i told you your best option(building a case on who you think is scum), but for some reason you want to continue talking to me. that's not going to get youy anywhere. i think you're scum.

I don't get any of what I just quoted. I didn't bring up that I used asterisks.

You

brought it up as quite possibly the second stupidest scum tell I've ever seen (see end of post for stupidest scum tell I've ever seen). It doesn't matter that you never made a direct comparison with our previous game-the comparison was implied by your saying that

Bringing up a Jester = steering the town away from looking for scum, onto finding a hypothetical Jester that may not exist.
Bringing up a Jester = creating unnecessary speculation. This is the internet, we all mistrust each other enough as it is. Jester speculation begins all kinds of "should we really lynch him, he might WANT to be lynched" WIFOM.

QFT

How does any of that apply to this situation?

@KoC
Same question

i'm not going anywhere with this. you brought it up. i never said you were more confident in this game. i never compared your confidence level to last game. i simply pointed out that the post read to me like overconfident scum. maybe i'm not choosing the right describer word, but that's how i see it. there is not much to argue here. i told you your best option(building a case on who you think is scum), but for some reason you want to continue talking to me. that's not going to get youy anywhere. i think you're scum.

I don't get any of what I just quoted. I didn't bring up that I used asterisks.

You

brought it up as quite possibly the second stupidest scum tell I've ever seen (see end of post for stupidest scum tell I've ever seen). It doesn't matter that you never made a direct comparison to our previous game - a comparison was implied by your saying that I didn't use asterisks last game. You're saying I'd use asterisks in this game as overconfident scum and not our previous game, which implies that, since you consider this an alignment tell and not a post-style tell, that I would be more likely to be overconfident as scum in this game than our last one, which also doesn't make sense. I've already made a case on my top suspect (CA) and considering you haven't read half the game, I don't even know why you'd assume I didnt make a case unless you were just looking for anything, scum tell or not, to make me look scummy. Talking to you isn't going to get me anywhere? Why not? Are you so infalliable that you refuse to believe you could be wrong (which you are)? I'm not sure you're understanding the game of mafia. You make baseless accusations against me and I don't just let it slide. If you refuse to let me argue what you're saying, it just gives me more reason to assume you're not seriously scumhunting.

I would give you an FoS, but I use my FoSes differently than most people, so...

IWBVFYIIHTV: DJ

(I would be voting for you if I had two votes)

He calls Eek a girl, which goes against Eek's shown gender. The expression is "no girls on the internet" for a reason. Why would he assume Eek's female when Eek's gender shows male? The other way around is an honest mistake, and might actually be a decent towntell, but that suggests he might know something he wouldn't if he and Eek were both town.

[ConfidAnon]

How does any of that apply to this situation?

Duh question of the game.

[DeathRowKitty]

1. That question wasn't directed at you.
2. Now it is. Let's hear that obvious answer you seem to have.

[ConfidAnon]

You brought up a jester . . . what we've been talking about for the past several pages.

[DeathRowKitty]

Do you understand why I asked people to tell me why bringing up a jester is scummy?

[Looker]

i'm nowhere near caught up. don't recall saying i was. not sure what you mean in regards to my "case" against drk. i have spelled out my suspicions throughout my catch up posts. the post you refer to was the culmination of suspicions up to that point. not sure where i'll be as i go along here. if i get the time. clinicals are much more than i bargained for.

I see. My mistake. Take your time.

[Furry]

All I need is your opinion, Furry, whether you believe this case to be realistic or not.

I still havent decided if I find this question insulting or not.

Yes I believe the case is realistic. With an expected two town, one scum wagon going on right now, and the votes spread as they are, I would put big big money on DRK being one of the town. With close votes, scum can easily control where wagons go, and they would have options to move off of DRK-scum.

It is much more likely that CA-scum or DJ-scum have all town on their wagon, and scum are trying to stop it from catching up to the top town wagon. This just looks like competition between town and scum wagons like I have seen in the past, and will likely see again. I would be willing to vote DJ over CA if it comes down to it, simply for the sake of making a point about defending a strong town read over a neutral read, but dont want to have to do that.

Regardless of my thoughts on the wagons though, yes my case is completely serious. If I was a day vig I likely would of fired coming into the thread. The early game from CA is bad, the vote on EC is bad, and other things that I have not got to yet.

@Others - Can anyone really mediate the whole AtE thing going on here? Its fallen into "im right", "no im right" at this point. I still dont see him considering AtE back when he used it what I previously described it as, but maybe im just being a little dense.

[ConfidAnon]

Furry

- Sorry if I missed it earlier, but did you ever explain your town read on DRK?

[DeathRowKitty]

@CA
Respond to post 731

[Raskol]

Interim catchup post:

I'm on page 20 now. Don't like either the CA or the DRK wagons so far.

I applaud my predecessor's good sense in choosing brothernature for his vote. Meanwhile, don_johnson has come in and jumped on one of the big bandwagons with what I regard as a fairly weak case. He makes a lot of points but none of them are much good---lots of noise, little signal. This doesn't fit well with what I saw of him from playing with him as town.

Keeping my vote on don_johnson.

[Furry]

Furry

- Sorry if I missed it earlier, but did you ever explain your town read on DRK?

Formation of wagons is quite a big one. Most of the people I have had anti-town reads on are attacking DKR. DRK has been on wagons of people that I have anti-town reads on. I know thinking the same things are not completely indicative of alignment, but I trust my reads enough.

Also I think the jester thing is a really bad thing to make a wagon on. Jester speculation is stupid, not scummy. Trying to make it scummy and actually basing an entire case off anything jester related, is far more scummy.

So wagons + other reads + case on DRK = town to me, and I am willing to vote most anyone but DRK to stop that lynch

[don_johnson]

raskol: drk wasn't a big wagon until i started pushing. so whatever. your vote camping is noted. you accuse me of jumping a "big wagon", but you seem to be choosing from the three main wagons yourself. is there anyone else in this game you would care to comment on, or are you just trying to choose from the top three?

drk: not sure what you are asking me as it seems there may be questions hidden in those big fluffy posts of yours. i didn't bring up the asterisk bit besides merely noting it. you are choosing to argue about it. i never laid it out as a "reason" behind my vote on you. it is one of many observations i made in regards to your play this game.

[Raskol]

don: Hmm, you're right about the order of the votes. I hadn't gotten that far in the thread but had read you in ISO. My mistake, but the point about the case still stands.

For everyone on the DRK and CA wagons: could you summarize your case against them briefly? Please tell me the reasons why you are currently voting for your target and why you think other people should consider them a better lynch than anyone else.

I'll have more later, after I've re-thought things a bit and read the last few pages of the thread.

[Looker]

All I need is your opinion, Furry, whether you believe this case to be realistic or not.

I still havent decided if I find this question insulting or not.

There was no

intention

of insult.

Furry

- Sorry if I missed it earlier, but did you ever explain your town read on DRK?

Formation of wagons is quite a big one. Most of the people I have had anti-town reads on are attacking DKR. DRK has been on wagons of people that I have anti-town reads on. I know thinking the same things are not completely indicative of alignment, but I trust my reads enough.

Also I think the jester thing is a really bad thing to make a wagon on. Jester speculation is stupid, not scummy. Trying to make it scummy and actually basing an entire case off anything jester related, is far more scummy.

So wagons + other reads + case on DRK = town to me, and I am willing to vote most anyone but DRK to stop that lynch

KoC...?

don_johnson always brings in his "I always play differently to avoid generating a meta" crap when he's town, from my experience, interestingly.
So I think, what with the DRK jester-crap, for now, I will

Vote: DeathRowKitty

also.
Feel free to plead your case.

[Kreriov]

Effective immediately

archeabob

replaces EtherealCookie.

This give one week for him to catch up before the deadline, therefor the deadline stands.

[Kreriov]

Vote Count

BigBear (1) - archeabob
don_johnson (3) - ZazieR Shrinehme Raskol
ConfidAnon (3) - Sanjay DeathRowKitty Furry

DeathRowKitty (4)

- ConfidAnon don_johnson BigBear Knight of Cydonia
Knight of Cydonia (1) - Looker

With 12 alive is takes 7 to lynch.

Prodding Shrinehme. This will be his third prod. I do hope he responds.

DEADLINE SET: 10 Nov 2009 (Tues) @ 3pm EST

[Furry]

No not KoC... that wouldnt accomplish the goal too well. If you moved to CA, or we both moved to DJ that might work better. I guess it depends where the new replacements vote ends up.

[archaebob]

/confirm

Though I honestly won't have much time for this game until the weekend.

Hope to have a read through done by Friday, will probably post something or another then.

[Looker]

No not KoC...

that wouldnt accomplish

the goal

too well

. If you moved to CA, or we both moved to DJ that might work better. I guess it depends where the new replacements vote ends up.

The purple part's funny to me in an off-beat kind of way.

Move to CA - I'm currently under the assumption that both CA and DRK are town.
Move to DJ - I don't know. DJ seems to be a great town target to me, because town are on his wagon already so you wouldn't look scummy if he flipped town. I think I'll stick with KoC.

/confirm

Though I honestly won't have much time for this game until the weekend.

Hope to have a read through done by Friday, will probably post something or another then.

Hurrah, a fresh new perspective has arrived, etc. etc.

[Furry]

No not KoC...

that wouldnt accomplish

the goal

too well

. If you moved to CA, or we both moved to DJ that might work better. I guess it depends where the new replacements vote ends up.

The purple part's funny to me in an off-beat kind of way.

Move to CA - I'm currently under the assumption that both CA and DRK are town.
Move to DJ - I don't know. DJ seems to be a great town target to me, because town are on his wagon already so you wouldn't look scummy if he flipped town. I think I'll stick with KoC.

Why funny? I always have my set of goal to accomplish, built around defending town reads and lynching scum reads. One of my goals is not to have a DRK lynch.

Best way to reach two goals is a CA lynch, but a non-town read lynch is better then a no lynch, or town read one. KoC vote detracts from both goal.

[Sanjay]

The purple part's funny to me in an off-beat kind of way.

Move to CA - I'm currently under the assumption that both CA and DRK are town.
Move to DJ - I don't know. DJ seems to be a great town target to me, because

town are on his wagon already

so you wouldn't look scummy if he flipped town. I think I'll stick with KoC.

What do you mean by the italicized? I would imagine there are town on every wagon. What makes the DJ wagon special?

Also, so psyched that archaebob is here.

[archaebob]

unvote

This game is a real piece of work, lol. Y'all will be

very

lucky if I'm able to sort through this before next week.

And I love you too Sanjay.

[archaebob]

mod: could you do us all a favor and consolidate Zazie's spam pages into one post? It'd be epically helpful.