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[Kmd4390]

Actually, even assuming three scum, we aren't in lylo unless there is some hidden kill out there. Apart from that, I'm very happy with my vote and I want Sens to know that. He intentionally avoiding the game yesterday and thus should swing for it. He can post or die for all I care.

Fair enough.

Do you think Sens is scum or do you just disagree with his play?

I'm sorry, but even though I would really love to lynch sensfan and have been pushing for it, I am slightly alarmed with how quick he's been BW with no other real scumhunting going on.

This sounds like something a scumbuddy would say after he's been distancing from his buddy, but is too hesitant to bus when a wagon starts.

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DT, /in-Vitational 4 is my most recently completed town game. Star Control is my most recently completed scum game.

I was ok with both the DDD lynch and the Saber lynch. I slightly preferred DDD, but when I voted Saber, I thought he had more votes and deadline was just hours away.

"Post analysis" doesn't have quite the effect that a successful VC analysis has. Hell, while we're doing links, Newbie 734 was the first time I used VC analysis. My top scum read was lynched and flipped town. My second scum read was NK'd. I was lost, so I decided to do something new. In this post, I use VC analysis, completely change my suspects to two players who I had town reads on. We lynch those two players back to back and they're the two scum.

Analysis in new post due to it's length.

Fixed tag. ~Vi

[saberwolf]

It isn't the sens lynch i have a problem with. It's the reasoning behind the lynch that bothers me. Only one person bothers to explain their actions behind the BW, and the rest look alarmingly opportunistic.

I'm busy looking at past vote histories right now, but I'm noticing just recently we're seeing more people just jumping on BWs and taking sides rather than take a side and discuss an issue.

If you provide GOOD reasons to vote Sens AS WELL AS show why other people do not make a good enough lynch, then I shall accept it and happily join along for the BW. Until then I am weary that scum is trying to use my known want of Sens gone to speed another mislynch.

[Kmd4390]

Debonair Danny DiPietro

(LYNCH) ~ Goatrevolt,

Sotty7, Juls,

saberwolf, VP Baltar, fuzzylightning, Kmd4390
saberwolf (L-2) ~ DTMaster,

Debonair Danny DiPietro

, Locke Lamora,

Cobalt

, SensFan

As you will know if you have read the VC analysis I linked to just now, I believe a scum was on the mislynch. In all of the VC analysis(what's the plural of that?) I have ever done, this has ALWAYS been true. Fuzzy and myself voted to avoid a no lynch. This is NOT a town tell, but it's not a scumtell either unless the opposing wagon (Saber) is scum. That means no tell on Fuzzy.

Goat voted DDD first after VP suggested a new wagon, specifically on DDD. Goat gives a well-reasoned vote. Says he doesn't like the Starry vote as much as he did when he made it. Never really goes back and votes Saber, so that's consistent. Goat is probably town.

Sotty and Juls have both flipped town.

That leaves Saber and VP. Saber probably should have voted DDD regardless out of self-preservation. But he gives no reason (conserving posts, but using one to call Sens a dick) and in his next post says DDD's refusal to claim was his reason for voting.

VP was the one who wanted the wagon, yet he was slow to jump on it.

Saber and VP are probably scum.

Now I expect that the third scum probably stayed off of the mislynch. Scum don't like to vote together.

DT hid behind a very lightly reasoned Saber vote. He hasn't really come back to Saber except an FoS and a later lurker callout. Scumpartner found?

Locke gives a fairly reasoned "I won't be here for deadline, so here are my thoughts and my vote" kind of post, resulting in a Saber vote. Locke is probably town.

Sens doesn't really post his reasons for voting Saber. He later says he was conserving posts. Not sure if I like this or not to be honest.

Cobalt

(LYNCH) ~ SensFan, Kmd4390, Locke Lamora, fuzzylightning, VP Baltar,

Sotty7

fuzzylightning (L-3) ~

Cobalt

, saberwolf, Goatrevolt
Kmd4390 (L-5) ~ DTMaster

Ok, let's re-visit the "scum on a mislynch" thing. Sotty is confirmed dead town. VP voted near deadline (nulltell).

Sens voted first (consistent with Day 1 opinion). Then me, same thing. Locke had a good reason to vote. Fuzzy voted with preference over the Locke lynch. This wagon actually looks relatively clean. I'm going to pick VP and Fuzzy as the most likely scum votes.

Saber gave no reason for voting Fuzzy. Goat gave a deadline vote (null).

DT voted me. I never like votes alone at a deadline.

I wonder if scum thought Cobalt was a traitor or something with the whole fakeclaim thing.

Scumlist in next post (length).

[Kmd4390]

So, here's the scumlist I can generate with this VC analysis (Scummiest on top of all lists, towniest at bottom of all lists):
Scum:
Saber- Poor reasoning to wagon-hop on DDD. No reason to vote Fuzzy over Cobalt.
VP-Started a DDD wagon, but voted late on it. Null Cobalt vote.

Possible Scum:
DT-Very early Saber vote and newly found connection to Saber. Voted alone on Day 2.

Neutral:
Fuzzy- Null DDD vote. Voted Cobalt just as an option over Locke.
Sens- Saber vote could go either way as could Cobalt vote.

Town:
Locke-Good Saber vote. Good Cobalt vote.
Goat- Good DDD and Fuzzy votes.
Kmd- Duh.

[Kmd4390]

Vote Saberwolf

[saberwolf]

So, here's the scumlist I can generate with this VC analysis (Scummiest on top of all lists, towniest at bottom of all lists):
Scum:
Saber- Poor reasoning to wagon-hop on DDD. No reason to vote Fuzzy over Cobalt.
VP-Started a DDD wagon, but voted late on it. Null Cobalt vote.

Possible Scum:
DT-Very early Saber vote and newly found connection to Saber. Voted alone on Day 2.

Neutral:
Fuzzy- Null DDD vote. Voted Cobalt just as an option over Locke.
Sens- Saber vote could go either way as could Cobalt vote.

Town:
Locke-Good Saber vote. Good Cobalt vote.
Goat- Good DDD and Fuzzy votes.
Kmd- Duh.

I'm sorry, but I think your analysis sucks balls, esp as it focuses mainly on me being scum for the rest of your analysis to fall into place. If you vote me and I flip town, you're entire analysis is shot, and you contributed nothing again.

[Vi]

The empire fears the bird tribes. The Shipless Pirates, they're called. They specialize in surprise attacks and have been raiding Begnion merchant ships for years.

Vote Count:

SensFan (L-3) ~ VP Baltar, fuzzylightning

saberwolf (L-4) ~ Kmd4390

Not Voting:

saberwolf, DTMaster,

Kmd4390,

Locke Lamora, SensFan, Goatrevolt

--With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
--Deadline is Thursday, November 5 2009.

(4 days left)

Post Count:

saberwolf - 27
DTMaster - 17
fuzzylightning - 18
Goatrevolt - 34
Kmd4390 - 41
Locke Lamora - 13
SensFan - 23
VP Baltar - 37

People who are eligible for an inactivity modkill:

SensFan

[Kmd4390]

So, here's the scumlist I can generate with this VC analysis (Scummiest on top of all lists, towniest at bottom of all lists):
Scum:
Saber- Poor reasoning to wagon-hop on DDD. No reason to vote Fuzzy over Cobalt.
VP-Started a DDD wagon, but voted late on it. Null Cobalt vote.

Possible Scum:
DT-Very early Saber vote and newly found connection to Saber. Voted alone on Day 2.

Neutral:
Fuzzy- Null DDD vote. Voted Cobalt just as an option over Locke.
Sens- Saber vote could go either way as could Cobalt vote.

Town:
Locke-Good Saber vote. Good Cobalt vote.
Goat- Good DDD and Fuzzy votes.
Kmd- Duh.

I'm sorry, but I think your analysis sucks balls, esp as it focuses mainly on me being scum for the rest of your analysis to fall into place. If you vote me and I flip town, you're entire analysis is shot, and you contributed nothing again.

The only thing that relies on you being scum is you and partially DT. VP could be scum either way. DT could still be scum, even though it wouldn't be as likely. Fuzzy or Sens would probably be scum if you aren't. Goat and Locke are town either way. So I have no idea where you are getting that all of my reads rely on you being scum. All I did regarding you is call you scum and point out a connection to DT.

[VP Baltar]

Do you think Sens is scum or do you just disagree with his play?

His play has been scummy. What do you think of his play this game?

As far as your vote count analysis goes, that was probably one of the worst pieces of analyzing I have ever seen. I think it is quite hilarious that you call me scum for being sheepish on the DDD wagon (which I did pretty much all of the leg work for) and then excuse yourself and fuzzy for your garbage votes on it. Clearly I am going to have to do VC analysis myself.

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I'm in the middle of my reread of the game right now. I'm at about page 7 or so. Looking back over GR's day 1 play, it is pretty obvious that he is either obvtown or a very ballsy scum with how much he was defending people from lynches. I'm going to call him the former.

Other things:

Kmd-I would like your detailed thoughts on fuzzy.

Sens, when you decide to stop lurking, please claim your information on the win cons and state the how many posts you have in this game.

If we are mass claiming, we need to get going soon. I'd personally like Sens to go first, but I don't know if he's around. Kmd is another person I would like to see go near the top of the order.

Should finish my reread tomorrow.

[Locke Lamora]

I'm going to be away from home until Thursday night so I will probably only be able to post once or twice until then. I will be back before deadline and as I've already claimed everything about my role except my latest result, I've not got much to say during massclaim. I'm not sure why my votes are considered particularly good by KMD and I'd also like him or Sens to go first if massclaim does take place.

[Kmd4390]

VP, Fuzzy would probably be scum if it weren't for his claim. My gut had him as scum pretty much all game, but the claim does not make sense from a scum perspective. The posts are coming from somewhere and nobody seems to have other information, so that confirms that at the very least, Fuzzy knows where the posts are coming from. I can't see a passive scum role that gives everyone free posts. Actually, he should probably be below Sens on my list.

[VP Baltar]

Ok, reread the game and I think have some new insight here. Couple questions.

LL, can you claim your role name for me again.

fuzzy, I'd like your detailed opinion of DTMaster and saberwolf. Also, who do you think we need to lynch today? Would you like to see Sens lynched today?

I am going to claim now to get the ball rolling.

I am Zihark, Townie Vigilantie..aka Vanilla townie.

I started the game with 70 posts. My voice of yune is that the mod is tallying our posts, so we shouldn't rely on our isos. Win con is fullfilled when all of the Mafia is dead.

I want Kmd to claim next.

[VP Baltar]

actually, fuzzy, I want your detailed thoughts on every player. Sorry.

I'd like the same thing from Locke as well.

[Vi]

Right now, when they look at me, they have love and affection in their eyes, but would they look at me the same way if they knew? I don't want to find out, Sothe. I don't think I could bear the truth.

Vote Count:

SensFan (L-3) ~ VP Baltar, fuzzylightning

saberwolf (L-4) ~ Kmd4390

Not Voting:

saberwolf, DTMaster, Locke Lamora, SensFan, Goatrevolt

-Prodding Goatrevolt...

--With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
--Deadline is Thursday, November 5 2009.

(Only got 3 days left)

Post Count:

saberwolf - 27
DTMaster - 17
fuzzylightning - 18
Goatrevolt - 34
Kmd4390 - 43
Locke Lamora - 14
SensFan - 23
VP Baltar - 39

People who are eligible for an inactivity modkill:

SensFan

[saberwolf]

mod: how much longer does sens have until you modkill him?

Thou shalt read the rules, and be glad ~Vi

this would be good to know cause if it was in say 12-24 hours, then I would not waste my vote on him and vote for somebody else and lynch them.

[Goatrevolt]

I mentioned that I was going to be gone for the weekend, so not exactly sure why I was prodded, but it doesn't really matter. My laptop power adapter took the liberty of dying over that period. I've ordered one that should hopefully be here tomorrow, worst case Wednesday, but I have limited access until that point.

I've skimmed up to this point, and I still think Sens or DT are the best available lynches today.

KMD: You say my Fuzzy vote is a deadline vote (null), but then later list it as a "good" vote in your rationale to label me town. Explanation?

[SensFan]

I've seriously ignored this game today.

Give me until tonight, and I'll be back with useful stuff.

[saberwolf]

I've seriously ignored this game today.

Give me until tonight, and I'll be back with useful stuff.

there we go, now I feel happy doing this:

vote: sensfan

[VP Baltar]

Unvote

[VP Baltar]

This is simply ridiculous. Way to go town in this game.

Sens, claim all of your info in the long awaited post.

Everyone-answer my questions and start frakking posting. You are making this game impossible.

[Kmd4390]

Goat, it was a poor transfer of information. The first (where I call it null) was where I actually had your post in front of me. The second (where I call it good) was from memory. I'm still pretty convinced you are town either way and would lynch anyone before you except Locke and

maybe

Fuzzy.

Claim:
Cap-Immune. I am unaffected by any post caps in this game. The Voice of Yune thing is that it's possible to gain more posts and I'm specifically told that I won't be told to do that.

[VP Baltar]

What is your role name Kmd?

[Kmd4390]

Shinon.

[Vi]

Enemies will use every method they possess to destroy you. It is best that you be prepared for every eventuality.

Vote Count:

SensFan (L-3) ~

VP Baltar,

fuzzylightning, saberwolf

saberwolf (L-4) ~ Kmd4390

Not Voting:

saberwolf,

DTMaster, Locke Lamora, SensFan, Goatrevolt, VP Baltar

--With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
--Deadline is Thursday, November 5 2009.

(Only got 2 days left)

---Griping about graduate school goes here---

Post Count:

saberwolf - 29
DTMaster - 17
fuzzylightning - 18
Goatrevolt - 35
Kmd4390 - 45
Locke Lamora - 14
SensFan - 24
VP Baltar - 41

[SensFan]

So yeah, saber is setting off my scumdar is every post he makes.

He's not willing to vote me for lurking, hasn't read the rules, wants me spontaneously modkilled, and votes me as soon as I stop lurking, for no reason other than the fact he seems to dislike me personally.

Unvote, vote saber

VP - I already claimed my Voice of Yune, and have been given no other information.