Ok. I haven't read any of page 17, but this is what I have through 15 and part of 16. I am going in alphabetical order based on the beginning of the game, and I'm going to summarize from my notes:
I get a noobish vibe from Jase with posts like post 50. I don't like the way he played a bit of follow the leader (post 62 was parroting Michel's point against Nacho from post 15). Post 63 he says 3 votes is too many for day 1 - completely bad logic, but not scummy. Again, this is noobish behavior. 85 is a good rebuttal to Nacho's post 83, but the wishy washy fence-sitting at the end of the post with the FoS doesn't sit well with me.
At the end of the day he stated that he would be willing to switch to obtain a lynch, which shows that he does have a grasp of some of the theory behind the game, so that tends to call into question the "noob" vibe I got from some of his earlier work.
I'm getting Town vibes from Michel. Although the posting has been sparse, what I have seen is logical and sound. His "scumlist" in 192 jives with his voting pattern for Day 1. The lack of posting is a concern, since as the most experienced player it's easier for him to correct for this if need be.
Another concern was post 43, where he voted Sposh for anti-town behavior. Anti-town =/= scum, and Michel should know this. However, I've seen a lot of this IIRC (especially day 2) so I'm not too worried about it since it wasn't a repeating pattern.
Jesus Christ, where do I start. First off, your grasp of basic Mafia theory is so far off from what is the norm on this site that I don't want you applying for IC status - I'll just flat-out deny it. At times, you have been extremely anti-Town in your posts, especially that "I dare you to lynch me" bullshit.
Having said that, I can really only find a few glaring issues, despite the propensity for the copious amount of posting. Posts 17 and 21 are waaaayyyy over the top - far too aggressive and "attitude-y" for the post Michel made in 15 that elicited the response. The other point is Nacho's defense of using bad logic (ie: strawman arguments specifically, post 166) as a viable means of playing the game. If Nacho is Town, he's doing a great job of helping the scum team cruise to an easy victory.
Lots of scumtells - why is Sposh still alive?
A good deal of joking around during the beginning of the game. Once he decides to actually play, we have Parroting (107) without providing new information, Appeals to Emotion (118), and my favorite (176), wanting to lynch Jase with no reason, but the entire post talks about Bronco and Jase had not been brought up before this.
187, he defends against TehStefan's 183. If Teh is on a whole different level, from Bronco, why did Teh not get talked about?
252, he has the nerve to say that he used the same logic Haylen espoused in 251 for why he didn't vote on Day 1, and then VOTES HER FOR IT!?!? WTF!!!!! The missing the deadline when he was on 4h before the deadline plus the comment from 312 where there are no obvious town players but he decides that we should lynch Nacho or Haylen, with no further reasoning, puts the nail in the coffin for me.
Vote: Sposh
Haylen (replaced StarOfTheShow after 126)
Atrocious play from both of them. Star was so noob it wasn't even funny, and her lack of posting makes it so much worse because there was no way to get a handle on her alignment. Although her Appeal to Emotion in 65/66 makes the decision easier.
Haylen, who ought to know better, has dropped votes with no reason (188), continued her predecessor's lurking, and managed to unvote
24 hours before deadline to prevent a quicklynch
. Seriously? You're trying to prevent a quicklynch after 20 RL days and 11 pages? What kind of crap is this?
I don't like the reverse Appeal to Authority she throws at Michel in 251, nor do I like the explanation of not being part of a lynch she didn't believe in. That close to deadline you secure a lynch, which you've played enough to know better. That line of reasoning sucks. She would have preferred to lynch Michel on Day 1 (283), but there was exactly ZERO posts about Michel from her. How do you have a top suspect you didn't bother to talk about? My opinion is that 283 is reinforcing her push against Michel from 251, which was a weak bunch of crap anyway that needed reinforcing.
Let's top it all off with the double whammy Appeal to Emotion and Appeal to Authority in post 328.
If I could vote twice, Halen would be my 2nd vote.
FoS: Haylen
Netopalis (replaced TheBeanBurrito after 286)
Gah, I'm so glad Burrito is no longer in this game. Captain Anti-Town. Refusing to participate, nothing to add, suspicions with no logic behind it. Just absolutely horrible, horrible, horrible play. If a Day 1 lynch was going to occur, there should have been NO QUESTION as to whether TBB or Nacho should have been lynched. Keeping TBB around for Day 2 was the worst thing this Town has done so far.
After Neto's summary post in 313, I don't have much else. Sposh is null (seriously!?!?!?), which I don't see at all, so if Sposh does get lynched and flips scum, I'd sure as hell go after Neto the next day for this. After that there's "I'm waiting to see what happens". Since there was no vote in 313, I take this as fence-sitting, which is a decidedly scum trait. Scum sit around and wait to see what's going to happen so they know which direction to drive a wagon. Town gives their opinion and is proactive.
Bwian (replaced Tehstefan after 214)
Tehstefan pretty much made himself pro-town in my eyes with posts 28 and 33. By themselves, they're scumtells IMO. YOU DO NOT ANSWER FOR SOMEONE ELSE. You let them answer for themselves. This could be seen as coaching or defending a partner. By themselves, the posts are scummy, but then you realize that there are only two scum, and if Teh was scum he wouldn't be defending two other partners, he'd only be defending one.
Bwian's play is full of newbie-ness. Votes Nacho for anti-town behavior in 218, but again anti-town is not necessarily = to scum. Also, it is NOT good town play to discuss the NK (311). It just leads to WIFOM and won't get you anything but wasted time. Your concept of
Straw Man is incorrect as you demostrate it in 311. I suggest you read the wiki Theory section.
That's all I've got. Please realize that I did this over the course of 36 hours and 3 sessions at the computer. If I missed something, got something wrong, etc. don't jump down my throat. Point out my error and I'll re-evaluate my notes and my scumlist, if necessary.
If you have any questions feel free to ask. I need to read up on the last page or so, and I need to formulate questions for people, but I'm all done for tonight.
