Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[ConfidAnon]

Vote Count, Day 1

Vote Count updated and corrected at Post 182.

With 25 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

There's alot of people on it, and I do not support an early lynch. No, I will not join it, because I refuse to feed the fire of an early lynch.

You honestly think that we are going to lynch him without proper discussion and whatnot? You sound very jumpy and cautious, almost overly so.

FoS CSL

[CSL]

Even if he's at, like, L-6?

And what do you think about SpyreX?

I don't know. Not enough discussion happening.

[Vi]

@CSL: Real Mafia players are hilarious

outside

the RVS.

I don't think you deserve a vote yet, but please, CALM THE HELL DOWN PLEASE!!!

^^too cheesy to be true^^

You sound very jumpy and cautious, almost overly so.

^^too cheesy to be true^^

I don't know. Not enough discussion happening.

^^too weak to be true^^

[sigma]

Some thoughts on various players:

CSL:

I've played with him before. His play seems pretty typical for him so far.

SpyreX:

Doesn't seem that scummy to me. Won't be voting for him at the moment.

elvis_knits:

only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

Decent amount of one post people in the game, but that's not scummy with only one RL day of game to this point.

Unvote

Vote: ConfidAnon

Getting a scummy vibe from his posting so far. His vote on SpyreX is an easy, 'blend-in' attack, and he did the same with his FoS on CSL. Definitely the scummiest player for me.

[Maemuki]

elvis_knits:

only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

Why single out a person that only

posted once and RVS voted

when the game started yesterday and there are more people of that kind?

[Juls]

Sorry I am late to the party. Work and then went out last night so this is my first opportunity to see the game.

The big discussion right now is around Spyrex. I personally didn't read him as scummy and his comments after he got a few votes of "can I ask why?" seemed genuine. I have rarely seen experienced scummers (who are scum) ask that question after getting a few votes and it is more of a newbie slip than anything. And Spyrex isn't a newbie.

But Vi has peaked my interest in this town Spyrex vs. scum Spyrex. I realize now I have only seen Spyrex as town. Vi, can you give me two contrasting games to look at?

For now, my vote falls on sigma for several reaching arguments. It feels like he is planting seeds of suspicion everywhere to see what grows.

Vote: sigma

[Hoopla]

Mod: Can we please get an unvoting list? It makes it easier for you to track names also (I'm voting 3 people).

[zoraster]

Didn't you know that you were triple voter? anyway, yeah. I can do that. I obviously need to fix my spreadsheet anyway.

Corrected Vote Count (I Hope)

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
ConfidAnon ( 2 ) crypto - sigma
crypto ( 0 )
CSL ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
Energetic Penguin ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 2 ) popsofctown - Energetic Penguin
Idiotking ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 0 )
Juls ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) - charter
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 2 ) hitogoroshi - maemuki
sigma ( 3 ) Sotty7 - infinis - RedCoyote
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 8 ) Pads - Vi - RayFrost - Budja - hiphop - Hoopla - roflcopter - ConfidAnon
Vi ( 1 ) - elvis_knits
Unvote ( 4 ) CSL - Idiotking - Juls - imaginality - Psychologic
Total Votes ( 25 )

[sigma]

elvis_knits:

only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

Why single out a person that only

posted once and RVS voted

when the game started yesterday and there are more people of that kind?

e_k's vote wasn't random. check it again and come back to me.

For now, my vote falls on sigma for several reaching arguments. It feels like he is planting seeds of suspicion everywhere to see what grows.

Examples, please, especially the parts where I'm 'planting seeds of suspicion everywhere'.

[hitogoroshi]

Yeah, I just noticed now the no-unvoting rule was eliminated. For a second I was thinking "Did CSL's unvote really count...?"

I'm going to have to agree with Maemuki re:sigma's comment:

elvis_knits: only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

This was the reason, for the record:

Sigma is not the first person to use the "I'm voting for someone I don't know" reason. I have seen it before. It is not novel. It is not wild and crazy. Haven't you seen it before, Vi?

vote Vi

This does sound a bit like a non-random vote but it was snugly inside the RVS. This kind of puts me in the line of thought that it's an incredibly poor bus or something - elvis makes a post more or less defending sigma and sigma rushes in to distance himself. Conversely, if E_K and sigma were scumbuddies I wouldn't think e_k would do such a blatant defense of sigma so I'm not quite sure what to think there.

[hiphop]

The question is maemuki, not what csl thinks of the wagon, but what you think of it. You have yet to give your thoughts, even though you were asked.

regarding csl- my vote wasn't about what he has done in this game, but what his sig says. Read his sig, than read my post.

[Maemuki]

e_k's vote wasn't random. check it again and come back to me.

Mmmm...yes it is. It may not sound like it, but it is. My question stands.

@ hiphop

I'm kinda mehish. Nobody stated their reasons (execpt for gut and meta. correct me if I'm wrong) - and people jumped on the bandwagon for....uh...jumping on the bandwagon. That makes no sense to me. So, I have absolutely no freaking idea of what's going on. I don't see SpyreX's actions as scummy. You only see this as an information bandwagon after all, don't you?

[hiphop]

What do you see it as?

[Maemuki]

Good point.

*waits for sigma to answer*

[Juls]

@sigma: I attributed hiphop's vote on csl to you by mistake. Your only suspicions are on ek at the moment? You had some weirdness with hiphop at the beginning (probably why I grouped you). I don't have a problem with ek's reasoning for voting Vi and while I wait to hear some further info from Vi on her Spyrex meta, you seem to be as good as anyone to leave my vote on.

[hiphop]

Good point.

No, I am serious, what do you see it as?

[Maemuki]

Good point.

No, I am serious, what do you see it as?

Oh sorry.

Information bandwagon, sure.

But there's a drawback.
It's a easy way to make people

look

like they're participating, by voting, but they aren't actually scumhunting.

But...if this will end up informative or not...well, it depends on SpyreX, I guess.

Resuming, I think it gives us information to work with, but it's an easy cover-up for scum. Especially if SpyreX is town.

[roflcopter]

guys maemuki is town

[Vi]

Sorry I am late to the party.

*fweeeeeee*

But Vi has peaked my interest in this town Spyrex vs. scum Spyrex. I realize now I have only seen Spyrex as town. Vi, can you give me two contrasting games to look at?

A game where SpyreX was obvious Town (yet the scum tried to discredit him for some reason).
A game where I noticed "oh SpyreX is acting differently" from my first post (and chose to proxy my vote to him anyway) >.>

guys maemuki is town

I'm pretty sure I agree with this.

[Vi]

@SpyreX meta for Juls: The take-home point is that SpyreX-Town is, like, really obvTown.
There is nothing even halfway Townish about SpyreX's posts ITT.

[roflcopter]

@SpyreX meta for Juls: The take-home point is that SpyreX-Town is, like, really obvTown.
There is nothing even halfway Townish about SpyreX's posts ITT.

for the record i probably wouldn't have just blindly followed vi if i didn't agree with this assessment.

[sigma]

@maemuki, hitogoroshi: I disagree. If bob directs a slightly accusatory question at bill, and then votes bill, it looks like a non-random vote. If you look at e_k's statement, it looks like she's implying feelings to vi ('it is not wild and crazy' implies that vi stated as such) that weren't there, IMO. So, I read it as a non-random vote for a dodgy reason, which is why I wrote my note in the first place.

@juls: My suspicions lie firmly on Confid_anon at the moment, which is why I'm voting him. elvis_knits is more of a IGMEOY suspicion.

@roflcopter: why do you see the need to claim that maemuki is town? No one's even voting her.

[Maemuki]

for the record i probably wouldn't have just blindly followed vi if i didn't agree with this assessment.

Oh, ok. That explains it, I guess.

guys maemuki is town

I'm pretty sure I agree with this.

Why?

[roflcopter]

@roflcopter: why do you see the need to claim that maemuki is town? No one's even voting her.

i think town hunting is even more important than scum hunting. i'm better at it, and if i identify enough people who are town the scum have nowhere left to hide.

and sometimes people are just so obviously town it has to be said.

[ConfidAnon]

Why single out a person that only posted once and RVS voted when the game started yesterday and there are more people of that kind?

This is a good point.