Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[Maemuki]

Vote Count, Day 1

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
ConfidAnon ( 3 ) crypto - sigma - CSL
crypto ( 0 )
CSL ( 0 )
elvis_knits ( 0 )
Energetic Penguin ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 2 ) popsofctown - Energetic Penguin
Idiotking ( 0 )
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 0 )
Juls ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 1 ) - charter
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 2 ) hitogoroshi - maemuki
sigma ( 3 ) Sotty7 - infinis - RedCoyote
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 8 ) Pads - Vi - RayFrost - Budja - hiphop - Hoopla - roflcopter - ConfidAnon
Vi ( 1 ) - elvis_knits
Unvote ( 4 ) - Idiotking - Juls - imaginality - Psychologic
Total Votes ( 25 )

With 25 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

actually, csl, could you link me to any games where you are lynched as town, too?

*coughalmostallofthemcough*

Sorry it had to be done! But, from memory...

Newbie 830, Newbie 824, Newbie 806, Rabbit Doubt Mafia (I don't remember the number), and Open...something. Sotty moderated the game though.

[CSL]

@ Maemuki: I opted out of the open one, and I was scum. You are correct on the rest of them.

[CSL]

@ Vi: I was also scum on a game that is still going...

[CSL]

Read on SpyreX: Well, appeal to emotion on 126, which is consistent on a few preceding posts. Other than that, it's a few RVS posts, and scumhunting...

[ConfidAnon]

sigma votes confid --> maemuki questions sigma about something unrelated to confid --> confid ignores everything sigma said about him to parrot maemuki's point

yeah ok i could lynch confidanon today

Didn't really see a need to discuss it, there's not much to argue about his point. Either what I did was scum trying to blend in, or I'm town voting who I think is scum. How is not commenting on it scummy?

CSL's slight OMGUS is noted . . . the vote seems kind of random, because of when it happened. Rofl mentions a point about me, CSL posts about nonrelated things

[Maemuki]

Let me see, let me see~

OMGUS on Budja. What is your reason for voting Budja, and you would vote for him on the current circunstances, or would you vote for somebody else, SpyreX?

Mmmm...something strikes me as weird. It's...like he's

afraid

of being lynched. He doesn't want to die. But he doesn't give any reasons on why we shouldn't lynch him.

Very well, why shouldn't we lynch you SpyreX?

@ ConfidAnon, I see the OMGUS, but I see your deflection as well. I mean, instead of answering to Rofl's accusation, you accuse other person. Why?

[CSL]

What OMGUS, Confid?

Nice avatar, Maemuki.

[roflcopter]

my biggest problem on day one of any game is consistently that there are so many people begging to be lynched.

[Maemuki]

Thanks, but Vi did it. <3 Vi.

Also he's refering to the fact that he FoS'ed you and you voted for him after.

[ConfidAnon]

@ ConfidAnon, I see the OMGUS, but I see your deflection as well. I mean, instead of answering to Rofl's accusation, you accuse other person. Why?

I acknowledged rofl's accusation, there's really no arguable claim to sigma's points. Kind of boils down to if I'm scum or if I'm not scum, which is a weak argument. Therefore I can't really argue against it, because it would just be me saying I'm town, therefore I did not try to blend-in as scum . . . obviously not a persuasive argument. Rofl's accusation is invalid when you look at the weakness of sigma's argument (not sure exactly if this makes sense, I'm not that great at verbalizing thoughts, I can try to rephrase this if it makes no sense.

CSL - I suspected you, a few posts later, you voted me. That's OMGUS.

[roflcopter]

confid, sigma voiced suspicion of you, and instead of addressing that suspicion in any way, you latched onto what someone else was saying about sigma in an obvious effort to make him look worse. that's whats so scummy here.

[CSL]

ERROR: Read what roflcopter said about you...

On an unrelated note, can Vi make an avvy for me?

[ConfidAnon]

confid, sigma voiced suspicion of you, and instead of addressing that suspicion in any way, you latched onto what someone else was saying about sigma in an obvious effort to make him look worse. that's whats so scummy here.

I understand this. Let me rephrase my point and break it down more:

sigma's claim was that my vote on Spyrex was scummy because it looked like it was blending in to the bandwagon, as scum trying to push for a ml.

There is no way to argue this point. Either it is, or it is not. Any contesting this point would boil down to me saying that I'm town, therefore it is not true, and that's not an argument, it's a shouting match.

Rofl's accusation is based on the fact that I did not say anything about sigma's argument. There was nothing to be said about sigma's argument, therefore me not saying anything is not scummy imo.

[Maemuki]

Still, you could have mentioned it. And said that that arguement would be circular and a shouting competion...do get what I mean?

That's still scummy, ignoring posts against you. If you had said what you said now, it wouldn't be scummy. But you didn't, therefore scummy. But not scummy enough.

Still, why did you accuse other person instead of saying what you said on 237?

[roflcopter]

spyrex needs to come back and post something pro-town so i can switch my vote to confid

[ConfidAnon]

Still, you could have mentioned it. And said that that arguement would be circular and a shouting competion...do get what I mean?

That's still scummy, ignoring posts against you. If you had said what you said now, it wouldn't be scummy. But you didn't, therefore scummy. But not scummy enough.

Still, why did you accuse other person instead of saying what you said on 237?

I thought what I was saying about the circular argument was fairly obvious, hence I didn't concern myself with mentioning it. I accused the other person because I feel that scumhunting is more productive than defending myself against a flimsy argument.

I'll do better about acknowledging everything, even the small stuff.

[CSL]

rofl, if you want to vote Confid, then do it...

[CSL]

@ Mae: Would you mind telling us why your vote is still on roflcopter?

[Maemuki]

@ Mae: Would you mind telling us why your vote is still on roflcopter?

Mmmm, no. It's because I always forget my RVS votes.

Unvote: Roflcopter

[CSL]

I usually do too...

[Vi]

Rofl's accusation is based on the fact that I did not say anything about sigma's argument.

No it's not.

I accused the other person because I feel that scumhunting is more productive than defending myself against a flimsy argument.

Similarly, flimsy arguments like what you gave are not productive scumhunting.

CSL's slight OMGUS is noted . . . the vote seems kind of random, because of when it happened. Rofl mentions a point about me, CSL posts about nonrelated things

^^^No really. This isn't scumhunting.^^^

@CSL: If you changed your avatar, you wouldn't be CSL.

[CSL]

I meant a better one, Vi. Where I can still be CSL.

I'll have a read on ConfidAnon upon my return.

[SpyreX]

Holy hell in a handbasket. 4 pages overnight? Awesome.

Budja is correct.
You're not going to like hearing this, SpyreX, but now that I've seen the gap between you-Town and you-scum it's pretty easy to pick out.

First quote: Seconding this.

Second quote: SpyreX-Town is extremely obvTown.
SpyreX-CitC is being vague all over and rubbing off as fake.

No, I thought all the votes passed around in the first 500 posts are just aimlessly accusing each other until people start lurking!

If you read these other posts in isolation... no they're not.

A game where SpyreX was obvious Town (yet the scum tried to discredit him for some reason).
A game where I noticed "oh SpyreX is acting differently" from my first post (and chose to proxy my vote to him anyway) >.>

Now, see, this is what is awesome about meta. Its not that I, this game, am being scummy it is simply a factor of my play seems different here. Which, sure, because my play DOES tend to change as a function of the games I'm in.

So, when the argument is "You're playing differently" well, yea I am. (In fact, there is a variable in those two games that Vi has shown that is fairly apparent but in the hatred of meta I'm not going to share.)

The issues I have with this whole wagon are threefold:

1.) This talk of white noise. Aside from my first two posts I AM asking questions; sigma's double-bladed "lol, reactions / meta beem", rayfrosts defeatist attitude which, apparently, is meta-fueled and then trying to parse out this meta-wagon. There's a theme there, I just can't put my fingers on it...

2.) The fact that Vi is pushing this like "SCUM FOUND" instead of the information / pressure wagons one would EXPECT from the early wagon. I'm not even sure what I have to discuss with it (part of the itch of meta) "You're playing different, hence you're scum." "I'm not scum" WOOOSH.

3.) Captain Budja and the little wagonneers. Sure it'd be tech if I am scum but when this party seems to be the lemmings and Vi playing the pipes and that's A-OK well awesome.

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I love the call to OMGUS, too. But, lets just keep on keeping on and look at some of the delectable plays we have goin up ins:

- Budja 146. Just, seriously. Not one, two, three but FOUR reasons to jump on this train?
- Hiphop the cheerleader.
- Anon the snipa'

I'd put more than even money on one of those three being scum. This wagon is too good to, even at this point, keep the fingers off of.

Oddly, I have FAR less issue with Ray and Rofl's jumps on it for the simple headshake of it.

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On the flipside Mam is solid, sigma (sans start) is feelin town, and CSL's 203 may, in fact, be so bizarre that it goes around the horn to zen.

And, based on current behaviors we're going to see one of the games with a MASSIVE content divide that pre-needs to be monitored before it gets out of control.

Mod Note: This is 540 words. Not a huge deal, but please be cognizant

[crypto]

Hotel wireless. Checking in briefly.

Caught up. Ten pages already, without my power posting? Impressive.

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Unvote. Vote: Maemuki.

Kill: RayFrost.

Baffled by Hiphop's wagon on SpyreX.

Not liking CSL and ConfidAnon. IIRC, such play is standard from CSL. ConfidAnon's a bit of a Rubik's Cube to me, but his going with the flow remains icky. Iso. 4 rubs me way wrong: "You sound very jumpy and cautious, almost overly so." Yecch.

Still, I'll be fence-sitting on both of them for now.

SpyreX isn't being pro-town, but I don't find him scummy. I've been wrong before, though ...

One of {Maemuki, Sotty7} needs a non-purple avatar.

[crypto]

Missed Spyre's post. I like it.