(Written the moment I saw the post, without yet reading the rest)Amished wrote:ODDin = Is ekiM or PZ scummier for their actions so far
At this point, eKim. While I don't like PZ's actions in that they might be laying grounds for future scummy actions, it's still obviously a stretch to say that's a serious scum-tell.
Although this addresses Raskol, I think I might say something anyway. And that is that I agree with Raskol entirely on this. Scum-tells are still scum-tells, even on D1. They're usually weaker on D1, of course, but they're still there. It's possible to fabricate a case against a townie, of course, but that's the town's job to understand what's real and what's not.SC wrote:Raskol - I disagree fundamentally that you need chasing shadows scumhunting D1 to look for scum on D2. In fact, I think it obscures scum, because chasing shadows is EXACTLY what scum want to do. You can make anyone look scummy in a PBPA, yet people who do this are regarded as protown for no reason. Scum depend on being able to use such scumhunting to both get townies lynched and appear pro-town. And you can use town reads just as well as scum reads to determine alignment.
Also, you do realise that if nothing happens D1 then D2 becomes the new D1, right? The arguments on D2 continue those on D1, the arguments on D3 continue those on D2 etc. Of course, you get stronger arguments by knowing people's alignments and sometimes due to the help of power-roles. But still, arguments that based solely on people's actions and words are also very important.
Also, if you have any serious town-tells, you might share those too.
It's his right to point out wrong things you've said or question you. Why so edgy?SC wrote:Why are you pushing this issue? I've been about the most non-threatening person calling out a scumtell ever, constantly qualifying it with my overall concept of the early game being specifically not about finding scumtells and talking about how I think it's barely worth mentioning, yet you've still got a bee in your bonnet about it. What gives?
(Also, ironic seeing how you say less edgy = more likely town)
WIFOMSC wrote:As for judging me, imagine I was scum using this playstyle. I have to either name my scum mates as town D1 or risk getting them lynched semi-randomly. Plus you'll have my opinion and scumreads as they come. Sorry, but I'm not going to be changing how I play.
Explain.Zorblag wrote:Troll has seen enough of SerialCleryman's responses to pressure to not be interested in lynching him day one
Sando's post 185 is just silly. Amish is actively helping the game - or trying, at least. He may be scum faking it, of course, so you can call his play a null-tell, but I can't see how it's actively scummy.
Also, you were asked who you think is scum, you answered with "look at my vote", but you weren't voting. So, yeah, that was kinda fence-sitting, plus you've basically avoided the question.
And when people point out the obvious here (without even strongly accusing you over it), you get all defensive and righteous.
In continuation of the Sando issue: getting run-downs and opinions *is* good for town. It allows you to analyse people. It allows you to understand what's going on. More info is good for town. What you're saying is ridiculous.
I haven't exactly got heaps of free time lying around. I've got lots of stuff to do other than playing mafia. It's no that easy for me to meet the one-post-every-48-hours demand either, and I don't think it's fair of you to ask for more.SC wrote:In the last 1.5 days, the following people haven't posted.
1. AGar
3. ekiM
4. ODDin
5. Ojanen
6. Papa Zito
9. Scien
11. VP Baltar
I'm starting to think this game is a practical joke played on us and they're all snickering in a Quicktopic somewhere wondering how long it'll take us to work it out.