Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[charter]

Vote Count, Day 1

hiphop ( 0 )
Budja ( 1 ) SpyreX
charter ( 0 )
crypto ( 0 )
CSL ( 1 ) - RedCoyote
elvis_knits ( 0 )
Energetic Penguin ( 5 ) hitogoroshi - popsofctown - hiphop - imaginality - Vi
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Hoopla ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 3 ) - Hoopla - sigma - elvis_knits
imaginality ( 0 )
Infinis ( 4 ) roflcopter - charter - RayFrost - crypto
EtherealCookie ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 2 ) - Infinis - Pads
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Psychologic ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 1 ) - sotty7
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 1 ) - Budja
Vi ( 0 )
Unvote ( 6 ) - Idiotking - EtherealCookie - Psychologic - Maemuki - CSL - Energetic Penguin
Total Votes ( 24 )

With 24 alive, 13 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 1st, 11am EST

Charter, I accused myself of busing. I also said "that scummy," not "scummy." The qualifier makes a huge difference. Infinis is far from my choice for a wagon, but he certainly isn't a

bad

choice.

Oh, your post was really vague then. I just didn't get the same context as you meant.

[crypto]

Usually when I write things down I try to use words that mean something. I don't know about you.

[crypto]

I think accusing Rofl of the bus would be a bit suicidal.

[charter]

I think accusing Rofl of the bus would be a bit suicidal.

That's why I said what I did.

[roflcopter]

spyrex could still be scum. depends how valuable of a scum power role infinis winds up flipping.

[SpyreX]

Ohh rofl shine on you crazy bunny.

So, instead of me being scum for not following this case praytell what makes budja so apparently town no one wants to talk about him but me?

[crypto]

Crypto - go zen. Deep breaths. "I will not self destruct. I am not a VI. I will help lynch Bujda because he deserves it."

Unfortunately for everyone involved, it's jolly good fun being on the trollish end of the stick.

Anyway, ninja

unvote

. Really not interested in Infinis. Will come back tomorrow and find scum for all you admirers.

[RayFrost]

Ohh rofl shine on you crazy bunny.

So, instead of me being scum for not following this case praytell what makes budja so apparently town no one wants to talk about him but me?

My read:

budja = lurker scum - no threat for now

infinis = active scum - may brainwash some of the town, possibly scum PR

infinis dies first.

[roflcopter]

if he doesn't get taken out by some well-intentioned bullet before tomorrow, talk to me about budja then. i have my lynch for today already.

[roflcopter]

seriously though, somebody kill crypto next chance you get

[crypto]

One last thing.

infinis =

active scum

-

may brainwash some of the town

,

possibly scum PR

FOS: RayFrost.

Italics are debatable at best. Boldface is just absurd. Underline is piggybacking.

[RayFrost]

One last thing.

infinis =

active scum

-

may brainwash some of the town

,

possibly scum PR

FOS: RayFrost.

Italics are debatable at best. Boldface is just absurd. Underline is piggybacking.

?

He's actively posting at least somewhat

Scum taht post actively do have a tendency to convince at least some of the town that they are, well, town.

possibly scum PR is true, though that's something that could be said about budja too, so it was there to appeal to danger (lulz)

[hiphop]

welcome to Mafia. Current population: 8.

Sigh. Finished rereading.

You people are evil

, I hate you

all

, do you hear me?

With my understanding from your post, only you can be wordy. Also forgive me for not saying you are town, because you did not ask for a replacement, for it is all a bunch of wifom. However you are playing to your town meta from the last game, except you don't have any case this time. Do you believe that you will get a case before the lynch, or are you just hoping for one?

Imaginality- I don't see you reasons for voting EP. Please explain.

@Maemuki's 478- He is a fluffer, with no opinion. He gave a whole bunch of words, but nothing to explain why.

@elvis 475- read 451

Crypto- what is the difference between infinis and budja? Also stop, you vote, because you wanted a bw, but than you unvote, without any more votes. Please explain.

For everybody that is not voting- please vote for who you think is scummiest, otherwise we have a bunch of fence sitters. We might as well as make ground toward lynching someone.

Also still waiting for EP to post.

[RayFrost]

@Maemuki's 478- He is a fluffer, with no opinion. He gave a whole bunch of words, but nothing to explain why.

Maemuki is

female

[Psychologic]

Have patience my fans, hopefully I will be caught up by tomorrow. I need to get my beauty sleep, g'night.

[roflcopter]

hiphop, in your opinion, what has infinis accomplished so far that is pro-town?

[RedCoyote]

everyone, we're lynching infinis today. quit screwing around and start voting him.

unvote, vote Infinis

Why is Infinis a better player to vote than crypto?

unvote, vote: infinis

Why is Infinis a better player to vote than Idiotking?

Unvote. Vote: Infinis.

Why is Infinis a better player to vote than elvis?

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Now just where in the heck did Infinis come from? Out of thin air? Why did Infinis (Infinis!) cause this level of unity among three players that were just arguing with each other for the past 3 pages? This game is moving a mile a minute for some of you, and this is the same mistake that was made with Confid.

Speaking of Confid, you know, the

townie that was shot earlier

, the wagon on him is a very solid piece of information to go off of for a D1 lynch. Infinis seems almost arbitrary in comparison. I'm serious; what's the major differences between Infinis, Budja, EP, Pads, imaginality, Sotty, et cetera? I'm willing to look back over Infinis, but I can tell you right now nothing he's said as of now has shaken me, or the general playerbase, up.

We have more information today than most do during D1, let's not squander it in favor of joining a quick wagon. At least Idiotking and EP had, like, a specific thing to point toward. Infinis doesn't seem to have even that.

Confid wagon before his death

sigma - CSL - roflcopter - elvis_knits - Pads - Vi - Sotty7 - Energetic Penguin - charter

Discuss this, everyone. What does this mean to you? Sotty and sigma were both on the wagon, now Sotty is voting sigma. EP is a popular target, and his vote on Confid has something to do with some of that. Is this why Vi is voting him now? elvis and charter are not seeing eye to eye. pops left this wagon right before Confid was shot. When was the last substansial post CSL made? Is there scum in this group? Was Confid scummy enough to lure 10 townies to his wagon?

[roflcopter]

redcoyote is suffering from the "summarize and get someone else to analyze" disease too, with a side of naysaying any and all forms of forward progress. i'm not sure i have a real bead on

his

opinion on any player as of this last post, all i know is that he wants us to slow down and all take a good hard look at each other.

oh, i do know how he feels about csl, thats right. he feels that we could never ask for a better day one lynch. which is code for this is an easy lynch that i shouldn't take any flak for if and when he flips town.

too many scumbags, not enough lynches in a day.

fos: redcoyote

[RayFrost]

unvote, vote: infinis

Why is Infinis a better player to vote than Idiotking?

IdiotKing might just be playstyle issues between him and me while infinis has been fluffy flutter.

[Pads]

Well okay, your stance is at least halfway understandable and I'm fine with your lifespan as long as you stop with the VI treatment. It's not witty and serves to help me like you less (not in terms of scumminess, but on a personal level).

I had no idea what you were talking about here until I saw the interchange with RayFrost and Pops later on. I also have no idea why typing VI instead of Vi would be witty, nor do I understand why it seems to have irritated you so much. Despite having obviously seen your name on the sides of your posts numerous times, it never consciously registered in my head that it was Vi and not VI.

I would never mistype anyone's name purposefully to insult them (or whatever you think I was doing) and it won't happen again. I am, however, going to stop just short of an apology since you reduced yourself to name calling. Twice (The second time at those 'jerks', Charter and Crypto).

She uses it to make fun of people who accidentally don't let go of the shift key. I think Pads is being more of a doosh than that.

So, that's the secret, eh? A typing trap? Alas, in my case it was just a simple misunderstanding. Though, for the record, I am unlikely to feel shame from an etiquette dispenser that calls people 'A$$hats', especially with those dollar signs staring at me.

In the meantime, I would like to do something else you'll find scummy--
Vote: Energetic Penguin (L-8)

Indeed. I burn through lurkers like I'm trying to keep warm in a snowstorm a few days out from LyLo, but Day 1 I find it a scummy way to appear town while denying the town information. We learn nothing from a dead Energetic Penguin, town or scum.

What are you suggesting that SpyreX should have done when you withdrew from his wagon?

Assuming most of the votes, not just mine, are withdrawn, I think the most pro-town thing for him to do was to lay low, without lurking, and let another wagon come to the forefront for town analysis. I also think that's pretty much what he did, although maybe not with that specific intent in mind.

don't like the fact that vi is slowly tiptoeing away from his professed town read on maemuki as more and more people get tricked into thinking she might be scum.

I can't tell if this bucket of fearmongering is an attack on me or if I am one of the poor, tricked people.

I also find the choice of words curious. You don't say 'thinking she's scum', but 'thinking she might be scum'. Is there truly no remaining chance of Maemuki being scum? Do you consider people who acknowledge some glimmer of a chance that Maemuki might be scum to be so poorly informed that only subtle manipulation born of a malevolent force could be responsible for their delusion?

Pads 454 actually gives a stance on me but good lord is it qualified.

It also provided a question. I am genuinely interested in your response.

This Day needs to end, so we can recompile.

Lynches I approve of:

Maemuki
Vi
Charter (I realize I haven't talked about this one yet)

Lynches I view less favorably, but would still go along with.

RayFrost
Hitogoroshi
Elvis_Knits (A flip from an earlier post, caused by her finding a contentless vote scummy, and the ensuing baseless attack)

Lynches that would be highly informative, but I don't expect to find scum

SpyreX
CSL


Thoughts on current wagons:
Energetic Penguin: Almost understandable based on his contributions, but looks like newbTown to me. Wasn't this the person that Zoraster had a seperate conversation with to establish that they were up to the challenge of a large game before confirming them? That Zoraster allowed him in lends credit to the alt theory.

Idiotking: I've only skim-read this one. I'm not inspired to join it at this time, but a more serious read is on my to-do list. Independent of the case against him, the EP, Infinis, and Crypto finger pointing strikes me as scum trying to find a new wagon that the town likes. If they're doing that, it may be an indication that one of their own is currently being wagonned.

[Vi]

I'm not sure how many fences one could put together to build a house of fences but, yea. If you asked me what his read of me was after that paragraph I couldn't tell you. And there's an unvote.

I withdrew from your wagon and you don't have an inkling? Do you find it scummy that I have not committed you to either Column A or Column B?

What are you suggesting that SpyreX should have done when you withdrew from his wagon?

Assuming most of the votes, not just mine, are withdrawn, I think the most pro-town thing for him to do was to lay low, without lurking, and let another wagon come to the forefront for town analysis. I also think that's pretty much what he did, although maybe not with that specific intent in mind.

The answer that you gave is so out of context (resupplied for your convenience) that it's useless.

We learn nothing from a dead Energetic Penguin, town or scum.

False.

Just about the only lynches I agree with you on are e_knits and Maemuki; the latter more for information.

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RedCoyote 616's Texan exaggeration and rabble-rousing style gives me terrible flashbacks to this game (not surprisingly, so does pops - although this was one of pops' better games, and he was Town). Add on what roflcopter said and there's nothing to doubt. (Besides, it's no fun pressuring people who don't respond.)

Unvote: Energetic Penguin
Vote: RedCoyote

(L-12)

[popsofctown]

Vi. We don't talk about that game.



shutupihateyouihateyouihateyoueknitswasscumandwhytheflipwasthereagiantbandwagononthatobviouslytownalignedpooroldwomanraahhhgaaaah


Anyway, yeah, I like rofl 617. Remember how I already got onto him once for doing the same thing?


Pads, you seem to want to lynch an active over an inactive, that's never my philosophy. As long as the inactive is scummy (and EP is), then that's the better choice because that person is least likely to provice you with more information about his or her alignment

[Pads]

The answer that you gave is so out of context (resupplied for your convenience) that it's useless.

I modified your question in an attempt to be able to give you the answer that I thought you wanted because the question didn't make any sense to me as it was written. The answer to your question as written is "What the heck are you talking about? I fail to see where I am suggesting he do anything."

We learn nothing from a dead Energetic Penguin, town or scum.

False

I'm all ears. Convince me. What do we learn from dead townEP? Dead scumEP?

[sigma]

OK, folks, changing my vote. Idiotking would still be a decent lynch.

After looking at him more closely, I think CSL is scum.

This early contradiction is interesting:

There's alot of people on [SpyreX's wagon], and I do not support an early lynch. No, I will not join it, because I refuse to feed the fire of an early lynch.

ConfidAnon seems like a good lynch target, so I'm going to Vote: ConfidAnon

Joins a bandwagon on a (now confirmed) townie 4 RL hours after he refused to get on SpyreX's wagon. That's really strange, and I missed it the first time, probably because it was my preferred wagon.

It's mostly the utter and complete lack of scumhunting, though. My experience with CSL is that he tends to scum-hunt in an over-the-top fashion and tends to get lynched for it. Tons and tons of fluff from him, but he's done nothing in the way of scumhunting.

Those are two big scum-tells, and it outweighs anything else I'm seeing right now.

Unvote

Vote: CSL

[Vi]

Vi. We don't talk about that game.

Then if you don't want a rerun of the result, you will wagon RedCoyote.

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@Pads:

I'm not sure how many fences one could put together to build a house of fences but, yea. If you asked me what his read of me was after that paragraph I couldn't tell you. And there's an unvote.

I don't know what definite stance Pads has on me (if any) or why he unvoted me.

I withdrew from your wagon and you don't have an inkling? Do you find it scummy that I have not committed you to either Column A or Column B?

Um, the fact that I unvoted doesn't suggest that I don't find you scummy? What do you think of how I haven't made a decision on you either way?

What are you suggesting that SpyreX should have done when you withdrew from his wagon?

What kind of opinion should SpyreX have had of you when you unvoted? (i.e. oh hey he unvoted; he must be Town)
(Note: This should have been asked the other way - "What are you suggesting SpyreX should have seen your opinion as?")

Assuming most of the votes, not just mine, are withdrawn, I think the most pro-town thing for him to do was to lay low, without lurking, and let another wagon come to the forefront for town analysis. I also think that's pretty much what he did, although maybe not with that specific intent in mind.

*things that have nothing to do with SpyreX's opinion of you or your opinion of SpyreX*

I'm all ears. Convince me. What do we learn from dead townEP? Dead scumEP?

Assuming E-Pengy maintains his current rate of not posting, and assuming he flips Town, the reasons for his lynch should be somewhat pale compared to numerous other people in the game. You would gain

thirteen players

with reasons for joining the wagon that you could sort out, probably with the categories of

VIs

and

people who should know better

.

Assuming E-Pengy maintains his current rate of not posting and flips scum, aside from the obvious note that dead scum is good scum you would still likely be able to note who actually believed in the wagon, who was half-heartedly into it, and who was just wagoning (by which I mean bussing).

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I would leave people like IK and CSL for the Vig/other scumgroup/etc. tbh.