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Post Post #1025 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:15 am

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I am sorry havingfitz. The ad has been fixed. I actually thought it was 42 and mistyped. If you do not want to tackle it, I understand.

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Post Post #1026 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:03 am

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Fairly sure about Looker as town now. dj's flip doesn't surprise me. DRK's cop fix is irksome. Don't like it, don't like him. Probably scum.
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Post Post #1027 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:15 am

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Let's make this a real wagon.

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DRK, what exactly didn't you like about ConfidAnon's reaction to Don's claim?
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Post Post #1028 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:34 am

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SJ wrote:Wow, DRK, how did you know?
How did I know DJ wasn't cop, you mean? Well, there was good reason to suspect.
  1. His play didn't seem to match cop play at all.
  2. His reluctance to claim made very little sense (his wagon was quickly building up steam and scum almost have to play the game as if he's a cop anyway if he's town (that's more or less how we handled this claim)).
  3. I was suspicious of him to begin with.
  4. Ironically, what ended up clinching it for me was CA's reaction. He was basically screaming, "HEY GUYS, DJ'S NOT THE COP, I AM!" Oddly enough, when I thought about it a little bit, his play made a lot more sense as cop play than DJ's play.
BB wrote:Post 1000, you said that you didn't like lynching claimed power roles day 1.
I don't, but that doesn't mean I don't do it. I tried to push for the lynch of a claimed doctor Day 1 once who was ridiculously scummy. We ended up lynching mafia instead and our claimed doctor was NKed N1...he was survivor. Basically, I have to have very good reason to believe the person is lying and not have any other candidates whose lynch would be of comparable quality.
BB wrote:Why did you presume, or at least act like you knew he was fake claiming? I'm going to have to do a reread, because it's been at least a week since this thread has been in my head, but weren't you under a lot of pressure? This seems like you bussed DJ, IMO.
As for why I acted like I knew he was fake claiming, it's a two-part answer and you won't like either part.
  1. I wanted to avoid suspicion for my vote. If I sounded wishy-washy about it and decided to vote him anyway, it would look very suspicious. Avoiding suspicion is (IMO) a townie's second or third most important duty (if no townies are suspicious enough tor mislynch (and assuming there's never a no lynch), you can't lose).
  2. One of my main reasons for voting him was the fact that CA was probably cop. I was hoping to draw some of the cop suspicion onto myself by sounding overly confident.
I don't recall being under much pressure at the time.
SJ wrote:DRK, what exactly didn't you like about ConfidAnon's reaction to Don's claim?
Another two-part answer you probably won't like >.<
  1. He brought up invalid points IIRC.
  2. Considering he was probably cop, I was trying to either make it seem like his response was scummier than it was (in case scum weren't paying enough attention (I didn't realize it until I re-read his posts to make the comment that I didn't like his response, so I was hoping scum wouldn't have noticed either)) or to try to draw suspicion from scum off of him by playing off his reaction as a scum tell instead of a cop tell.



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KoC wrote: unvote because things have been made clearer to me.
What exactly was made clearer to you?
I still want to know this.
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Post Post #1029 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:03 pm

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I still ain't telling you.
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Post Post #1030 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:12 pm

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Is there some sort of reason or do you just not feel like answering?
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Post Post #1031 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:13 pm

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Knight of Cydonia wrote:I still ain't telling you.
I am a fan of this.
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Post Post #1032 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:58 pm

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I'm gonna be honest, DRK - it's both.
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Post Post #1033 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:00 pm

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Well, you are trading answering one question now for two questions later. If you are okay with that, I'm okay with that.
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Post Post #1034 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:42 pm

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vote raskol


DRK wagon is very stupid now, he is obv-town. Like really obv-town. I had CA-DJ mixed up yesterday, but this one was right. DJ was pushing hard on DRK, DJ was happy letting DRK drift to a deadline lynch, DRK backed a DJ wagon over KoC, CA and Zazie wagons late D1. There is no way DRK is going to be scum.

If you want you can also look at the fact that late in D1 the two competing wagons were DRK and DJ since CA seemed to be slipping into the darkness. I dont think that I have ever seen scum let the top two wagons both be scum with no hard pushes on any other wagons. DRK scum would mean that scum were kicking back and letting scum get lynched when there were options (about half the game had a wagon). Again this just is not happening. I would almost bet the game on DRK-town at this point.

Also Raskol lynch looks sexier after the DJ/BN scum flip. This means that Raskol moved from a scum wagon to the pusher of said wagon, to never mention the wagon on his partner again. That is the better lynch for today.
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Post Post #1035 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:51 pm

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Unvote


I agree with Furry. The lateness of his shift to DJ was eye catching, but his explanation is good enough and I suppose if DRK did notice a cop slip on CA as mafia he wouldn't have mentioned it in thread (I think mentioning it in thread probably wasn't the right move, but hey, what are you going to do).

Furry, can you show us any other games where you disbelieve cop claims automatically just because you don't like the role?
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Post Post #1036 (ISO) » Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:02 pm

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Sanjay wrote:Furry, can you show us any other games where you disbelieve cop claims automatically just because you don't like the role?
Ive played mainly open games. Every closed game is different, watching people you can usually get a slight feel for the setup. I actually am still surprised that there was a cop in this game. But I have defended a roleblocker and gunsmith claim (both correctly) and gotten scum who was claiming vanilla townie cop (KoC was in that game, and the mod)
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Post Post #1037 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:20 am

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Something tells me that KoC and Furry are going to be the ones to turn up Mafia in the end...o well. Zaz, Archaebob, Shrine, we need your help.

Could it be Cydonia and Furry? BigBear & DRK? Or the not so suspicious Sanjay & Raskol? Hmm...I don't know, folks, I don't know. Stickin' wit Sanjay on this one.
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Post Post #1038 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:22 am

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O wait! What about Furry and Raskol as scum...?!

Okay, whatever, time to go to bed. G'nite.
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Post Post #1039 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:06 am

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ClarificationBWOP:
I wrote:Considering he was probably cop, I was trying to either make it seem like his response was scummier than it was (in case scum weren't paying enough attention (I didn't realize
it
he was probably cop
until I re-read his posts to make the comment that I didn't like his response, so I was hoping scum wouldn't have noticed either)) or to try to draw suspicion from scum off of him by playing off his reaction as a scum tell instead of a cop tell.


Furry wrote: Also Raskol lynch looks sexier after the DJ/BN scum flip. This means that Raskol moved from a scum wagon to the pusher of said wagon, to never mention the wagon on his partner again. That is the better lynch for today.
Makes sense, but I didn't think the case on him from yesterday was very strong.
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Post Post #1040 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:44 am

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Post Post #1041 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:31 am

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Apologies all...I'm still reading in between RL. A 41 page day one is ridiculous. Never has so much been posted and so little said.
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Post Post #1042 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:32 am

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mk, my other game just went to night, so this is about to get my full attention.

I'm going to need a day or so to remind myself of what's going on here...I had like JUST caught up before the lynch happened, and now I've forgotten everything.
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Post Post #1043 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:31 pm

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havingfitz wrote: Never has so much been posted and so little said.
This.
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Post Post #1044 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:44 pm

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@BB and KoC
No response to my response?
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Post Post #1045 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:25 pm

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DeathRowKitty wrote:@BB and KoC
No response to my response?
I am so sorry, I have been in a total of 13 hours of meetings in the past two days;NOT including classes, in regards of a fraternity that is in serious needs. I will do my best to get a post up shortly, however that does not guarantee when it will occur.
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Post Post #1046 (ISO) » Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:28 pm

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Mafia of this game

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I'm just sayin'

O, and currently listening to one of my favorite songs (Ambling Alps), so I just wanted all of you to have a great day and live life to the fullest. You only have one. I'm just sayin
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Post Post #1047 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 3:50 am

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Still reading....I'm getting there. However...between here and there is a Boy Scout camp out this evening that I have been asked to help out with. So...v/LA until tomorrow evening. Hopefully I will be fully engaged by Sunday.

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Post Post #1048 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 5:28 am

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Cool. Quick question, though, whenever you get the chance. Which would you be more willing to lynch? KoC or Furry?
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Post Post #1049 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2009 7:01 am

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Vote: BigBear


I've really been going ??? about post 1023.

Looker makes a perfectly normal post about how she wasn't planning on reading anything into the lack of her being nightkilled, and BigBear goes all "maybe you are scum, Looker", which seems like a sort of chainsaw defense of me.

Which is weird. You don't chainsaw defend the people you should be suspicious of. And BigBear more than anyone should be suspicious of me. I started up a bandwagon on him moving pressure away from known scum. And somehow, when Looker is like "Yeah, vote Sanjay" BigBear goes after her?

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