Thanks for the welcome. I'm going to try and dive right in (so this post will be large), but forgive me if I'm slow to get started. Even when I reread a few times the game never seems to really solidify in my head until I've been in the mix for a little bit.
Scien wrote:
Who are you?
I never really know.
AGar wrote:I'm going to wait until ekiM's replacement before really doing much more, because that's where my first suspicion lies.
That's me. How can I help you?
Thoughts:
On the SC bandwagon: I am all for early game bandwagoning, and it seemed very likely that Zito was hoping to see an early bandwagon form on SC to watch who jumped on/stayed off, etc. My experience has been that this play works best when the one encouraging the bandwagon does
not
give good, solid reasons for wanting to do so, especially as doing so is likely impossible. I find the fact that Amished indicated "seeing what Vito was possibly on to" (paraphrased) to be slightly suspicious, as I doubted very much that Vito had anything up his sleeve. The supposition that SC might be setting up an opportunity to fish out an inappropriate claim down the road seems a stretch. Oddin's assertion that PZ did something to plant that idea seems pulled from the blue as well:
ODDin wrote:So yes, PZ, you pretty much lied - at any rate, you've created a very wrong impression.
ODDin: Can you explain to me how you figure he lied? That's a pretty strong accusation, and I honestly don't see where it's coming from. Creating a bandwagon in the early game is its own justification.
On the same topic, the ongoing VP/PZ clash is a bit of a mystery to me. Help me if I summarize poorly: Zito is claiming it's inappropriate for VP to dismiss "joking" behavior. VP is claiming that it's questionable for Zito to argue this when, in fact, Zito's reasoning for the bandwagon was pretty much null. If this is accurate, I agree with Zito, but I find neither of them to be more scummy for the whole argument. In fact, it feels vaguely personal. Is there an elephant in the room that I don't know about? Do you by chance have some prior annoyance with each other? I get that vibe a little, and I think it will help me get a better read as we go on if I know.
Sando pings my scumdar the most at the moment. Rasko's 144 is spot on, and only once he's pressed around there is when Sando says anything worthy of note. Before then, it's mostly excuses to not be participating (dismissing meta). This quote stood out:
Sando wrote:Amished constantly asking for reads from everyone gets on my nerves, and I personally find it quite scummy outside of newbie games.
Why is this scummy? Worthy of note is that Amished was not the only person inviting reads from other players (and even more interesting is that Rasko did it in the post immediately before.) In his early posts, Sando seems to be defending the right to participate at a minimal level.
Now Sando's on a growing bandwagon, and I do not get the sense that he's taking his accusers seriously. This bothers me, as the accusations are completely legitimate. If he truly does not understand where they are coming from, then we're looking at a communication breakdown, and in that case it would be in his best interest to try and understand so as to better resolve the situation. Instead, he seems to be dismissing these issues outright.
In general, I feel that, while this game is already very dense, there's very little to sink my teeth into. There's a lot of theory debate and playstyle discussion, and I'm finding it largely unhelpful. I am mostly looking for players who are not scumhunting or those who may be fabricating reasons to
Unvote: AGar
Vote: Sando
