Newbie 843 (Game Over)

[tubby216]

i agree starbuck needs to start talkin

[MiteyMouse]

Hohum is V/LA for a few days. VRK is going to watch over this game until he returns. I'm going to do a vote count for you and if anyone needs a prod please let me know in bold in here and I'll prod them for you.

Official Vote Count!

*Zach 2 (tubby216, Kyiv)
tummy216 1 (Zachrulez)

Not voting:

Starbuck, PaltryExcuse and manho.

Starbuck has been prodded.

[Starbuck]

I've been dealing with family stuff, as my Great Grandmother passed away last night.

Posting official V/LAs in all my games.

[tubby216]

ok so here is the deal. essentially we are in mylo wich means we lynch wrong and scum are sucessful on the kill town loses.

that leaves us with two options lynch Zach who is caught scum or no lynch,

now i have been trying to play calmly and hang back after my claim but seriously thats not who i am.

we need to lynch zach, then i will investigate starbuck, if starbuck is scum we win if not then it stands to reason that its kyiv. either way it gets us closer to winning. trying to out the zach partner takes us into a giant pool of WIFOM when zach is still alive.

[Zachrulez]

That's the great thing about a cop claim isn't it? You don't really need to reason it or make a case, all you need to argue is that you have a guilty.

[tubby216]

That's the great thing about a cop claim isn't it? You don't really need to reason it or make a case, all you need to argue is that you have a guilty.

but i did reason it ironic huh?

[Zachrulez]

Not really.

Here's a thought.

Other than the fact that you've claimed cop. Why shouldn't we lynch you?

[tubby216]

yes i did explain it.

reason not to lynch me because i am right

[Zachrulez]

No, Tubby; you still haven't explained what in particular about Zach's play led you to investigate him.

did not like this post

Yeah, I have a confession to make. I've been waivering on my scum read of Cookie. In a situation where scum needs any other lynch to survive, him changing his vote from me doesn't really make any sense as scum.

At the moment, the fact that Starbuck is not voting is sticking out like a sore thumb to me, so yeah, with the deadline fast approaching why haven't you found it important to fully catch up and take a firm stance?

Unvote: Vote: Starbuck

and his generall play i did not like. He just read funny in iso so i went back and read the day and figured it would make a good choice for investigating. Because either it would confirm him town or find scum wich it did.

Vague much? What particularly about my play didn't you like and why didn't you find it worth bringing up earlier in the game?

Your sudden change of heart almost scares me

normally i save this explination for after the game ends but i'll do it here and now because its warranted. I generally play anti town or as unhelpful as possible when i am town, because it aides me in gauging everyones reactions to me. Plus it allows me to aviod being nightkilled due to the fact i make a better lynch than a nk canidate. Since I did not know wether or not there would be a doc in this game untill i was rb'd nite 1 i figured that same stratagey would serve me well here. Of course it did untill it comes to time like now when i claim. So i get where you guys extremely cautious in believing me at face value.

Here is how I see your explanation. You play like scum.

[PaltryExcuse]

*Bump* Past all of the locked games.

[tubby216]

heres how i see your veiws zach,



it doesn't matter cause your caught scum.

[PaltryExcuse]

Right now tubby, I have to believe your claim based on the fact you naturally play scummy while town. While true, I'm feeling very hesitant to vote. Here's why:
If not completely evident by my D2 voting, I did not think EC was as scummy as either of the two of you at the end of the day. My change over to you from Zach, tubby, was because of this.
However, people's reasons for investigations are sometimes based on a gut feeling when one can't point out anything in particular that is scummy. Investigating someone who is underpressure could clear them, or damn them. An investigation of you, Zach, is what I would have done, even if I put myself in tubby's shoes. These seem to be Tubby's reasons for investigating.

So at this point, I am willing to wait until Starbuck posts, see if she can put some light on the situation either way. I'd also like manho to put his opinions in (he just dropped by to say he believes tubby and protected Starbuck).

[PaltryExcuse]

And Starbuck: I wish you and your family all the best!

[Zachrulez]

And how exactly do you believe Tubby plays as scum?

[PaltryExcuse]

Do you mean how do I think tubby plays as scum normally or how I think Tubby plays as scum in this game?

[Zachrulez]

It's a general question to point out the hole in believing Tubby's town based on his explanation.

[PaltryExcuse]

So it's rhetorical and I shouldn't answer it? Which question am I answering for myself? One requires some meta research and the other is something I came to the conclusion of yesterday (D2).

[tubby216]

And Starbuck: I wish you and your family all the best!

i second this

[PaltryExcuse]

I think you've just convinced me to do some meta research... phooey. Good thing tubby keeps his wiki up to date. Off I go...

[Zachrulez]

The question would be how would you expect Tubby to play as scum in general.

I'll look into that part myself, but I suspect that he plays pretty much the same way he claims to play as town.

Which would mean his explanation means nothing.

[tubby216]

The question would be how would you expect Tubby to play as scum in general.

I'll look into that part myself, but I suspect that he plays pretty much the same way he claims to play as town.

Which would mean his explanation means nothing.

your just pissed i caught you ,, its ok i understand

[PaltryExcuse]

...Reading some other games of tubby's have left me with this conclusion: If tubby is scum or if tubby is town, I can't point out any differences. Meta = null-tell.
Which means I'm left with scummy behaviour on both sides. I'll ponder on this a little bit more, and wait until we hear from manho and Starbuck.

[tubby216]

ok fair enough.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Guys I'll be doing regular vote counts and death/day restart scenes when necessary. If you need prods or anything else, please PM me directly.


Vel

[Kyiv]

This back-and-forth behavior between you two isn't getting us anywhere ><

I now realize that a Starbuck lynch would only be better from my perspective. From everyone else, the lynch should be Tubby or Zach, so I'll just have to go along. After re-analyzing, I believe that it could very possibly be meticulously planned scum on Tubby's part, as he and Manho are the only two who haven't been replaced (and Zach) since the beginning of the game, despite how much and how frequently this game has stagnated. It leaves me to believe very much that this could very well have been planned from the beginning. Both have pushed for a Cookie lynch, and a bjl lynch. Both are now pushing for a Zach lynch (albeit, less on Manho's part), both have claimed power roles, and both have breadcrumbed or at least claimed to have. Both were on the Wrath wagon (though Tubby pushed for a bjl lynch). And I have recently started to believe that everyone's scummy status at this point is now being based on a set of conditionals. Since the conditionals are -only- helpful if town makes it to the next day (i.e. lynch scum), I will drop those conditionals and go solely based on scum reads. Which means:

Unvote: Zach