Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[zoraster]

Vote Count, Day 2, Post Day Kill

hiphop ( 0 )
shotty to the body ( 0 )
charter ( 0 )
Energetic Penguin ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 1 ) - RedCoyote
Infinis ( 0 )
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Maemuki ( 2 ) - Infinis - Vi
Pads ( 2 ) - SpyreX - hitogoroshi
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 1 ) - Idiotking
RedCoyote ( 1 ) - hiphop
roflcopter ( 0 )
sigma ( 0 )
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Vi ( 1 ) - charter
Unvote ( 11 ) - shotty to the body - Energetic Penguin - Maemuki - popsofctown - Zakeri - sigma - roflcopter - Xylthixlm - Pads - sotty7
Total Votes ( 19 )

With 19 alive, 10 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 12th, 10am EST

By the way, I thought I'd just warn you that while I'll be monitoring the game and trying my best to keep an up-to-date vote count going, I'll be out of town Wed-Sunday for (American) Thanksgiving. If you don't get quick responses, that's why.

[charter]

charter: You should stop attacking Vi and SpyreX now, and find some actual scum. Thanks.

Yes, I heard you. Where does your 8ball say I should go? I don't really have anyone but Vi that I find that suspicious, maybe pops, but I've already tried that one. Should be able to reread day one, and now with two scum dead, hopefully I can get some more suspects.

[Xylthixlm]

Lynching someone whose meta you don't know is just extension of "lynch killa 7" logic

Always lynch killa 7.

[Xylthixlm]

Just skimmed through hiphop, popsofctown, sigma, RayFrost, and Infinis. Surprisingly enough sigma and RayFrost both look townish. The scummiest one of those

by far

is hiphop.

vote: hiphop

[Idiotking]

Is it usual for you to never explain why you vote for people?

[SpyreX]

Choo choo goes the vig.

Now, Pads.

[SpyreX]

And yes, for the lazy who didn't look:

Scum can't daytalk this game. Which means especially towards endgame watch for filibustering when they're trying to align a lylo lynch.

[Xylthixlm]

Is it usual for you to never explain why you vote for people?

Yes.

[roflcopter]

i'm isoreading some people to figure out who gets to die next. y'all can thank me later for totally blowing up elvis' spot.

[Xylthixlm]

Choo choo goes the vig.

Now, Pads.

No. hiphop is next.

[SpyreX]

I'm definitely not opposed to hiphop.

This, again, is a bizarre case of deja vu though so I'm sticking to Pads and even try to get the gumption to give a case before capitulation.

[roflcopter]

actually guys, we're lynching maemuki.

unvote, vote: mae

please refer to my earlier megapost to see where i pointed out imag's clear cut distancing from mae.

elvis chainsaw defends mae vs crypto here and from that point on

elvis probably thought she hit the jackpot when i called mae town, and trying to keep that read where it was and spread it to as many other people as possible (and attack all opposed to it) because here modus operandi for the rest of the day.

the following posts should be self-explanatory in why they make mae scum:

elvis_knits:

only one game post at this time, voting vi for a dodgy reason. keeping an eye on her.

Why single out a person that only

posted once and RVS voted

when the game started yesterday and there are more people of that kind?

My guess it's that e_k decided to use the fact that Vi never saw the "I don't know you I vote you" method before as her random vote. But each to his own. That's something that e_k has to answer, not me.

After this fiasco I'd be down with an elvis lynch as well as Budja. Semantics are sweeetttt.

Explain please?

And now to reread Day 1. *headdesk*

Vote: elvis_knits

(L-10)
crypto's death strengthens this read.

Why do you think so?

Vi, why e_k over me for example? We all know crypto suspected me waaaay more. Also that could be scum framing e_k.

Right now? You. Wishy-washy wagon jumping with poor reasons. Do I even need to explain?

@Maemuki: Please do. I'd love to see an opinion you didn't steal from someone else.

*claps hands* With this, I assume you have no comeback, correct? Correct.

Also, why so desperate to jump in front of e_knits? And where did crypto suspect you "waaaay more"?

I'm not desperate, I'm just saying that that logic of yours has some serious flaws. I was just pointing them out. She could have been framed, that's all.

*raises eyebrow* Read D1 and come and talk to me. Crypto was on my back on pretty much the whole day.

Well, mind to refresh my memory then? When did you call e_k scummy yesterday? So I can see what your reasons were. Aside from being on crypto's wagon of course.

mae also hasn't placed a vote since sitting on her random vote for pretty much ever, and she's been bunkered down for the last long while in a holding pattern of only every asking people why they're voting for her and why they're voting for elvis.

so yeah, all you guys voting pads, idiotking, hiphop, rayfrost, redcoyote and vi please unvote and vote for maemuki.

[roflcopter]

I'll reread tomorrow looking at EP EK.

did you ever do this? what did you learn? why was mae a better initial vote for the day than one of these two players?

[Xylthixlm]

This post is making me lean town on Maemuki:

I feel obligated to believe this, but isn't it a bit early to be spitting out stuff such as "confirmed town"?

You seem uneasy around people thinking I'm town. Why? Would you be like this if they called me scum? Why did you put "confirmed" into rofl's mouth?

@ Roflcopter, Vi, why am I town?

[charter]

Ok, reread.

I am like 100% sure Ray is town.
EP is scummy early on.
sigma still seems town. Also, he's the only person alive in Elvis's 295 scumlist, so he's probably town.
RedCoyote is probably town.
Mae is probably scum.
Sotty, unfortunately, is probably not town.
Infinis is still scummy, even after whoever died.
EP is scummy midday as well.
I think that if EP is scum, rofl is his buddy. EP keep giving Hoopla flak about bandwagoning, but never mentioned rofl doing it.
Besides that, rofl is pretty neutral.
Still think pops is scum, but I'll deal with that later.

Anyone not mentioned didn't catch my eye.

I'd lynch Mae or EP. Despite the slimyness of Vi's vote on Mae, and her general scumminess with regards to all things Mae, there was quite a bit that suggested Mae was scum with Elvis.

unvote, vote Vi

[Xylthixlm]

I'd lynch Mae or EP. Despite the slimyness of Vi's vote on Mae, and her general scumminess with regards to all things Mae, there was quite a bit that suggested Mae was scum with Elvis.
unvote, vote

Vi

So, Mr. charter, tell me about your dreams...

[Idiotking]

Voting Idiotking is still like claiming scum.

Wait a minute... if you're OK with everyone else lynching me, then why is voting for me like claiming scum? That doesn't make any sense.

Still waiting for a response to this, Vi.

[roflcopter]

so i thought charter was a sure thing for town for a while there, but he's really going downhill lately

[SpyreX]

I don't know what to make of the Mae quote quoted by Xyl. It COULD be an amazing scum move but I just don't know.

However:

Ok, reread.

I am like 100% sure Ray is town.
EP is scummy early on.
sigma still seems town. Also, he's the only person alive in Elvis's 295 scumlist, so he's probably town.
RedCoyote is probably town.
Mae is probably scum.
Sotty, unfortunately, is probably not town.
Infinis is still scummy, even after whoever died.
EP is scummy midday as well.
I think that if EP is scum, rofl is his buddy. EP keep giving Hoopla flak about bandwagoning, but never mentioned rofl doing it.
Besides that, rofl is pretty neutral.
Still think pops is scum, but I'll deal with that later.

Anyone not mentioned didn't catch my eye.

I'd lynch Mae or EP. Despite the slimyness of Vi's vote on Mae, and her general scumminess with regards to all things Mae, there was quite a bit that suggested Mae was scum with Elvis.
unvote, vote Vi

Despite the giant :headdesk: lodged in there (it can be a secret for now).

I've got one big issue: In your reread you had NOTHING to say about me (and thus a function of crazyworld)?

[charter]

Haha, whoops, meant to

unvote, vote Mae

, not try and vote Vi twice.

Spyrex, you were pretty much a nonentity, you floundered around a bunch at the beginning then I didn't see anything noteworthy from you.

[SpyreX]

But I was scum last twilight?

I just don't understand.

[charter]

I thought you were voting CSL then regretting it because he got a bunch of votes in one page when I posted that you were scum. When I reread, I realized this was not the case, which pretty much eliminates that.

And you never specified what kind of points Vi got for following imaginality's votes, what kind?

[hitogoroshi]

vote: hitogoroshi

says he likes charter's points against Vi yet doesn't change his vote from pads who I believe he has a weaker case against (it's opinionated... town know who they suspect as much as scum know who they want dead).

Thus, I feel he's trying to leave his vote on a "safe" target and thus not contribute to any lynches.

As I said before, I know it's opinionated. That was just what set my gut off, and I voted more or less because of that opinion. But no matter how arbitrary the reason for the vote, once it's placed I give it a certain amount of inertia. I don't like to hop wagons every time someone makes a good point because, as I've said before, I think that devalues my vote as a pressuring tool.

Though, that being said, if none of you agree with my gut re: listmaking, then I'm probably in the wrong here, so I guess I'll

unvote

.

***

Wait. Why are scum the only people to have made up their minds before day starts? Are you saying townies don't think the game over at night or something? I don't see how this is scummy.

What I'm saying is that scum only ever pretend to change their minds if they do at all, because they never receive information that makes them question someone else's alignment (obviously there's rolefishing and the ilk for PR's, but that's not important for this point), because they know the people they DON'T want lynched from the get-go. Of course, this line of thought makes sense to me, but I can understand if it's not true in practice because I'm mostly just speculating on how I think I would play if I was scum and looking for that in other people. (fun fact: hito has never been scum on mafiascum.) As such my gut reads are hunting down a style of mafioso that may sadly not actually exist.

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I'm not so sure I'm comfortable starting up the next wagon with so many absent from the festivities. I also don't like Mae-scum. I don't think she would spend so much time defending e_k, especially since a kill request was given out to the dayvig more or less right at the start of the day. Rofl, you in particular said:

believe me when i tell you that scum are absolutely loathe to commit to an opinion about their scumpartners, to the point where they often ignore them altogether.

So what makes Mae<--->E_K so different? My money is on E_K's scumbuddy being one of those who've cowered out of the limelight D2.


***

My poor vote is lonely now. But I'm gonna hold on to it a little bit because I REALLY don't like all of the players laying low. It's taking all of the mental fortitude I possess not to vote EP again.

[SpyreX]

Vi gets, again, the "I'm not scum WITH imaginality but if there are two scumgroups like I would surmise I could be part of the the other group" points.

[RayFrost]

Hmmmmm... hitogoroshi unvoting with just one person questioning and voting him is scummy.

on the other hand, rofl's points against mae are noteworthy (along with mae vanishing from her previous "super active" play)

I think mae's change of pace is slightly suspicious.

FoS: mae

vote: hitogoroshi