Mini 884 - Last Man Standing (Over)

[Amished]

@Vi: If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.

Also, I've not accused d3x of lurking, I simply stated that I thought he was being more passive than I feel a normal townie would be in his statements. His V/LA has never come up in my discussion, nor is it an accusation against him from me.

@Sotty (251) That's exactly what I was looking at when I commented about d3x being 3rd-party.

@Vi (again): How the hell do you get a "transparent" playstyle from d3x? You've said yourself that he's been V/LA; you can't get a read on a player from that.

[Benmage]

I DON'T think that turning this game into a gunfight is the way to go...

Thats the only reason don lives at the moment...but i am seriously reconsidering this.

[Amished]

Oh come on, DJ is pretty obv town if you really claim to be town-aligned.

[Benmage]

Oh come on, DJ is pretty obv town if you really claim to be town-aligned.

Explain, oh mighty logic maker.

I mean your case on me was so amazing, I'd love to see why him killing vi was obvious town. I had a town read on vi.

(lotta sarcasm, on your case being good and all if you missed that..but still do explain why dj is obv town.)

[Amished]

Oh, I dunno, how about rereading your (hypo) town PM and rereading hohum's last post. Also, I believe Vi said she was playing deliberately scummy this game, how did you happen to get a town read on her?

[Benmage]

Oh, I dunno, how about rereading your (hypo) town PM and rereading hohum's last post. Also, I believe Vi said she was playing deliberately scummy this game, how did you happen to get a town read on her?

Yeah whose to suggest what a scum PM looks like, plus hohums snip.

What of hohums last post? Me being a lead wagon..yeah that makes dj town. Most of the votes on me are really rather poor, even dare i say opportunistic.

And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.

[Vi]

Also, I believe Vi said she was playing deliberately scummy this game, how did you happen to get a town read on her?

More like I knew I wasn't being seen as obvTown and wasn't inclined to do much about it. This point is pathetic.

@Vi (again): How the hell do you get a "transparent" playstyle from d3x? You've said yourself that he's been V/LA; you can't get a read on a player from that.

I did not get a scum read on him based on the posts he made

before

V/LA.

@Vi: If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.

But notice that you haven't done anything to KILL this supposed third party role except openly speculate on him. You never voted d3x; you've kept your vote on the two most recently huge wagons. You've never even mentioned killing d3x until

this post

, where you talk about what a huge boon it would be if the SK was killed.

*thinks about your speaking in absolutes and terrible accusations and plays with the gun's trigger a little*

[Vi]

Wait, when were we going to be told ConfidAnon was getting replaced?

[Amished]

@Vi: If d3x is SK, then he's a threat to the mafia; and if I can lynch a mafia while also adding another suspect (or even not) then there's a chance that d3x hits mafia, mafia goes after the "other" killing role; two anti-town killing roles dead and three mafia dead in a cycle. Obviously a lot of things have to fall in place, but it's not outlandish. Mafia has always been my priority.

Yes, you *weren't* seen as obvtown; yet MMan saw you as obvtown. I'm wondering why and where did he come to that conclusion.

[Amished]

@Benmage: *hohum's* post, not MiteyMouse (hiya, great job with the votecounts <3). If you really don't see it; I don't see a reason to not lynch you.

[Amished]

Ben, wanna toss up that VP meta case?

Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).

[Vi]

@Vi: If d3x is SK, then he's a threat to the mafia; and if I can lynch a mafia while also adding another suspect (or even not) then there's a chance that d3x hits mafia, mafia goes after the "other" killing role; two anti-town killing roles dead and three mafia dead in a cycle. Obviously a lot of things have to fall in place, but it's not outlandish. Mafia has always been my priority.

If we were in LyLo then I would see your point. At the beginning of the game, getting rid of a night-kill is a priority (especially since if this game is 8-3-1 that sounds like the setup's fault).
Further, notice what you're doing -

making excuses to avoid lynching someone you're calling out for scum

without providing a suitable alternative that you are as confident in.

Yes, you *weren't* seen as obvtown; yet

MMan

saw you as obvtown. I'm wondering why and where did he come to that conclusion.

Benmage is a MonkeyMan alt?

Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).

Take a look at what I said after getting shot ->

[Amished]

I always screw up BM and MM; you know who I mean.

Lately I was testing the waters to see if I could get support for a d3x lynch (isn't he supposed to be around?). Obviously that's not the case so depending on what he said, I'm looking to shoot him. Obviously if it is 8-3-1 (which, unfortunately is how I'd have to balance it if d3x is third party); I'd like to use the SK's kill as a vig kill by outing him as a possibility and a direct threat. In that case, I get two kills for the price of one; while also not using my own kill during the day that looks like the best course of action.

In fact:

Vote: VP Baltar

[don_johnson]

I always screw up BM.

*sips beer*

[Benmage]

I always screw up BM.

*sips beer*

Wait, i'm not MM's alt...did you mean Battle mage?

[Benmage]

As far as any case on VPB goes, i'll try and reread her today...the meta thing is simply her playstyle not resembling what i'm use to you when shes town.

But will look deeper here.

[Amished]

Fine, Bm not BM. You're the only one that could be BM here.

For a matter of reference, Ben, what games are you looking at for both alignments.

[Benmage]

Fine, Bm not BM. You're the only one that could be BM here.

For a matter of reference, Ben, what games are you looking at for both alignments.

I'm not looking at any alternative games. I've played in quite a few with VPB as scum and town, and in some ongoing... So its just my personal experience that this play is reminiscent of her scum and not her town...i dont plan on selling a meta argument the (case) will hopefully show her scumminess in this game alone.

[Amished]

Your 205 suggested to me that you were going to expand on your meta of VP.

[Sotty7]

I told ya its a bad vote already lol, because its based solely on my eperience with VP.

Okay then, how about you elaborate some more then. What is he doing that is so against his meta that you just have to vote him for?

Would love to. Time is of the essence.

Yes it is. So.. You better get cracking then right?

I'm not liking the meta case on VP basically because it is non existent at this point. Post some substance on it soon please. With this in mind Amished vote on him looks pretty bad, there doesn't seem to be a reason behind it.

Don is very probably town at this point but he needs to stop pushing the wine in all of our faces. The choice to shoot was a poor one and it was even worse that he attempted to shoot another player afterwards.

[Amished]

You think I voted for him purely (or even mostly) on meta?

[Benmage]

Your 205 suggested to me that you were going to expand on your meta of VP.

There might be somethings i rehash or reference to meta/my experience with VP as I said i'll try...why are you guys getting so hung up on this and expected so much of it... I said it was a bad vote.

You guys are tunneling on a nonissue, it'll come. Rehlax. Trust me i'm one of the more active here, its not like this will be forgotten, just give me a little time.

[Amished]

I'm not *pushing*, I'm explaining where I'm coming from. If you just explain your thoughts in your next couple posts instead of being defensive about this, you might be a bit better off.

[Benmage]

I'm not *pushing*, I'm explaining where I'm coming from. If you just explain your thoughts in your next couple posts instead of being defensive about this, you might be a bit better off.

i'm tired..i'll probably just run pbpa to help my memory and see what stems from that.

[Amished]

Just point out the highlights that you remember.

Thinking about a new mafia theory sucks