Holy crap.ConfidAnon wrote:Heal: Vi
So i dont stand alone.ConfidAnon wrote: but to me she seems like the most pro-town player here.
I think a pbpa of nacho may be in order. Hes sliddin off the radar a bit since attention is revolving around him..i dont like it.Vi wrote: So Ectomancer is scum and VP Baltar is scum. Do we have a third member of the party yet?
I actually have to agree with this. VP is playing an odd game at the moment (for the record: I've only played a couple of games with VP, and Baltsy was town in both. Very active, very thorough town.) Your PBPA post is actually quite compelling Benmage. I'm not sure it clears you entirely, but it's a solid case that shows you aren't just an opportunistic voter. Unvote.Benmage wrote:As far as any case on VPB goes, i'll try and reread her today...the meta thing is simply her playstyle not resembling what i'm use to you when shes town.
But will look deeper here.
Because if he's scum, it's an excessive amount of heat on him Day 1. If I was scum and had a daykill, I would certainly save it for later in the game when it is going to do the most damage and work in my favor.Vi wrote:I don't follow why you're saying scum wouldn't do that.
Why do you seem to be speaking with increasing certainty that there is a third party? I'm really trying to understand how you are coming to this conclusion if you are town.Amsihed wrote:If the third party is an SK (typical 3rd party; and given flavor, not unreasonable), why would they decide to go after scum if the town will be likely to look for them during the day and try to lynch them? If we can out them and kill them, we prevent one anti-town kill per night, extending the game and gives the scum more of a chance to screw up and get them lynched.
Self-preservation should never be at the heart of your scum hunting and shows your mentality in this game.benmage wrote:And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.
So you think ben is scummy and would like to lynch him but think his "VP's not playing to meta" ambiguity is good?Amished wrote:Ben, wanna toss up that VP meta case?
Unfortunately, I'm agreeing with Ben's vote; VP's activity this game (content, not necessarily number of posts) is awful (both in content and driving the game forward).
You were? I didn't get that vibe at all, just that you were wildly speculating about third parties.Amished wrote:Lately I was testing the waters to see if I could get support for a d3x lynch
^obv obv town.Sotty wrote:I'm not liking the meta case on VP basically because it is non existent at this point. Post some substance on it soon please. With this in mind Amished vote on him looks pretty bad, there doesn't seem to be a reason behind it.
I have never heard such a vague and weakass case in all my time on this site. Your assessments of my posts don't even say anything of substance. You don't explain why you think any of the posts are bad, you are simply either providing IIoA or you give a backhanded comments like "poor explanation"...well what does that mean really? what is poor about it? Who knows, but it's certainly poor.benmage wrote:So real quick conclusion. Her overall play is just really poor. Its reminiscent of a coaster style which just isn’t what I’m use to from VPB when shes town. Lots of fluff and useless posts which isn’t character-like of her at all. She’s usually quite good if not much better than this. Mafia 98, ongoing game. This games play is somewhat close to Mafia 91 where she lurked/played bad and was scum.
Yeah, except I explained with valid reasons why your votes this game have stunk to high heaven. I'm not comfortable being on a wagon like that. After your shady ass vote, I am much more inclined to believe that I was wrong about Confid and not about you.ben wrote:She defends the points against ConA and the wagon on it, yet questions me for joining the wagon on the same point…and also for attempting to achieve what I can assume a similar thing she desired from ConA…that is the point I quoted from iso 14….i wanted more from ConA on his comment, and his distancing from the whole thing was why I added my added pressure…something apparently VPB didn’t like…was this a Bus turned Chainsaw? Stay tuned to find out.
What was good about it exactly? What specifically do you agree with from it? What do you think of his meta arguments?Amished wrote:/me is speechless
I think that's the best post I've ever seen you make, Ben.
lol, that's some pretty great logic there. Let's start shooting because if there is a cop he/she is in heightened danger of drawing a NK. It really isn't much of a wonder dj took a shot at you this game because you have not been making much sense from the get go.Vi wrote:While there is a decent possibility for there to exist a Cop in this setup given the flavor, the number of places left to look for one is getting smaller considering there have been two claims so far, so that Cop is already in heightened danger.
Ok, the next person who pushes randomly shooting people is guaranteed scum.Amished wrote:So, who else is up for lynching VP here and now (or just shooting him and being done with it?)
ugh...what was compelling about it?Porkchop wrote:Your PBPA post is actually quite compelling Benmage. I'm not sure it clears you entirely, but it's a solid case that shows you aren't just an opportunistic voter.
hahaha and also noVP Baltar 336 wrote:Also, the crux of this argument somewhat seems to be "why isn't VP Baltar leading the town to victory"
I'll grant that you weren't playing poorly in that game. And you were quite likable tooVP Baltar 334 wrote:Also, your assessment of Mafia 91 is clearly biased. I did not lurk at all that game, nor did I "play bad". As far as I recall, most people thought I was town in that game and I simply got busted by a Vi investigation. I encourage anyone to look at that game and see how much crap you are pulling out of your ass.
too much wifomVP Baltar wrote:Because if he's scum, it's an excessive amount of heat on him Day 1. If I was scum and had a daykill, I would certainly save it for later in the game when it is going to do the most damage and work in my favor.Vi wrote:I don't follow why you're saying scum wouldn't do that.
Shooting someone day 1 for little reasoning isn't sound strategy.
Theres more to it than self-preservation, its a known town(for me) vs an unknown...its an easy decision.VP Baltar wrote:Self-preservation should never be at the heart of your scum hunting and shows your mentality in this game.benmage wrote:And i havent shot dj, which shows some damn restraint. He might be town, as vi believes as well...but sometimes they gots to go for the greater good especially since well he wants me lynched (a bad move as i am town) and more over is willing to kill me (2nd shot attempt, and will undoubtedly try this again tomorrow)... So logically he should be lynched or shot, in just a self preservation manner, no? Not to mention I also believe it beneficial to the town...why me die, when a ?? can die.
Theres not much to spell out..you dont provide anything of substance or real information thats why they are poor. You havent scum hunted.VP Baltar wrote:I have never heard such a vague and weakass case in all my time on this site. Your assessments of my posts don't even say anything of substance. You don't explain why you think any of the posts are bad, you are simply either providing IIoA or you give a backhanded comments like "poor explanation"...well what does that mean really? what is poor about it? Who knows, but it's certainly poor.benmage wrote:So real quick conclusion. Her overall play is just really poor. Its reminiscent of a coaster style which just isn’t what I’m use to from VPB when shes town. Lots of fluff and useless posts which isn’t character-like of her at all. She’s usually quite good if not much better than this. Mafia 98, ongoing game. This games play is somewhat close to Mafia 91 where she lurked/played bad and was scum.
I disagree. The meta argument isnt of much importance anyways, your game..this game...sucks.VP Baltar wrote: Also, your assessment of Mafia 91 is clearly biased. I did not lurk at all that game, nor did I "play bad". As far as I recall, most people thought I was town in that game and I simply got busted by a Vi investigation. I encourage anyone to look at that game and see how much crap you are pulling out of your ass.
no you didnt.VP Baltar wrote:ben wrote:She defends the points against ConA and the wagon on it, yet questions me for joining the wagon on the same point…and also for attempting to achieve what I can assume a similar thing she desired from ConA…that is the point I quoted from iso 14….i wanted more from ConA on his comment, and his distancing from the whole thing was why I added my added pressure…something apparently VPB didn’t like…was this a Bus turned Chainsaw? Stay tuned to find out.Yeah, except I explained with valid reasons why your votes this game have stunk to high heaven.I'm not comfortable being on a wagon like that. After your shady ass vote, I am much more inclined to believe that I was wrong about Confid and not about you.
it was quip..not too serious. you may both be scum, but i wasnt serious about bus into chainsaw lol.VP Baltar wrote: Also, I really hope you are serious about this bus turned chainsaw argument, go go gadget mega-reach.
worried?VP Baltar wrote:Ok, the next person who pushes randomly shooting people is guaranteed scum.Amished wrote:So, who else is up for lynching VP here and now (or just shooting him and being done with it?)
That you havent done much this game but coast.VP Baltar wrote:ugh...what was compelling about it?Porkchop wrote:Your PBPA post is actually quite compelling Benmage. I'm not sure it clears you entirely, but it's a solid case that shows you aren't just an opportunistic voter.
Not entirely.ConfidAnon 342 wrote:I like the VP case, but the fact that it's coming from benmage makes me skeptical. After all, the case boils down to "When VP's town, (s)he plays awesome. (S)he's not playing so awesome this game. (S)he's scum." It would be a fairly easy case for scum to notice and use to get heat off of them, and benmage did have a decent wagon on him, if I recall.
Also, my new avatar is cute. (It needs saying =p )Vi 241 wrote:VP Baltar's last two votes have been for astonishingly weak reasons, especially considering he was the third on both the ConfidAnon and Benmage wagons. Still leaning toward scum.
I think you voted him because he isn't pushing the game forward despite being on V/LA because otherwise you barely mention him. Please educate me if this is wrong. I think your vote is weak and I stand by that.Amished Post 295 wrote:You think I voted for him purely (or even mostly) on meta?
This is a ridiculous over reaction. Wanna share what is so great about it?Amished Post 302 wrote:/me is speechless
I think that's the best post I've ever seen you make, Ben.
Okay, I would be happy with an Amished lynch now.Amished Post 319 wrote:CA you're my hero. That's awesome.
Love you too DJdon_johnson Post 324 wrote:you read my mind.Amished wrote:@Vi: I was actually thinking Sotty; but I didn't want to get too distracted
omg no. This game should not be nightless.Amished Post 329 wrote:How's this for an option: if we can decide who to kill (VP); pwnz or nm8 should shoot for some possible extra confirmation. They haven't really been active lately and I want to hear from them as well.
It's called a joke. However, I do have a town read on her. Her play here is consistent with Sotty-town.Vi wrote:Why is Sotty obv obv Town? For defending you...?
Well, I'd hope there's a difference. I was scum in that game and I'm town here.Vi wrote:I'll grant that you weren't playing poorly in that game. And you were quite likable too
But there's quite a bit of a difference between there (and here) and, say, Mafia of Order
Yeah, and you're creating a false dilemma that it is you or him because you are focused on your own self preservation.benmage wrote:Theres more to it than self-preservation, its a known town(for me) vs an unknown...its an easy decision
And the vague attacks continue. It's really a quite genius MO when one thinks about it because it gives me nothing to defend against.benmage wrote: Theres not much to spell out..you dont provide anything of substance or real information thats why they are poor. You havent scum hunted.
He wants to lynch me, and hasnt shown any signs of not wanting to shoot me if he had the opportunity to do so...how is this a false dilemma?VP Baltar wrote:Yeah, and you're creating a false dilemma that it is you or him because you are focused on your own self preservation.benmage wrote:Theres more to it than self-preservation, its a known town(for me) vs an unknown...its an easy decision
Omg...No they aren't..shit defense like this piss the hell outta me and are totally scummy. Do you want me to freaking quote every useless post of yours so you can RE-see it and tell me how "useful" they actually are???HMMM??VP Baltar wrote:And the vague attacks continue. It's really a quite genius MO when one thinks about it because it gives me nothing to defend against.benmage wrote: Theres not much to spell out..you dont provide anything of substance or real information thats why they are poor. You havent scum hunted.
Not following through cause its shitty.VP Baltar wrote: You haven't scum hunted. Well, shit, yes I have. There is quite a good wagon on you at the moment due to my scum hunting. I don't know why people are not following through, but horses and water and all that good stuff.
Coasting(or even active lurking) doesnt need to be referenced to previous games. And i've said the meta was poor, and solely for me. I've got you pinned..call it gut meta w/e...that alone wont convince anyone...i know this...its why the pbpa and conclusions and other stuff would eventually hopefully develop into a proper and strong case. And get ur scum ass hung or shot.VP Baltar wrote: Also, ben, I don't know why you are now trying to back off of this meta argument you made. It is indeed the crux of your attack because you are saying my play here is not consistent with the play you "know". If you are going to say that and make the argument that I'm "coasting" this game as scum, then you need to point out how that is different from games you know me in and know my alignment. Mafia 91 does not fit your bill in the least.
Coasting is inherently scummy.VP Baltar wrote: Let's for the sake of argument accept your attack of me coasting this game as being legitimate (which it's not). How is this absolutely indicative of me being scum? How do you know I would never coast as town? Do you think I am coasting the most out of everyone in this game? If not, why do you think my coasting makes me more likely to be scum than those other players?
I've never said anything about running the show..but i've never seen such fluff posts from you. Ignore the fact that i've never seen em (meta)...and stick with simply, why do you have so many fluff posts and so little posts of worth.VP Baltar wrote: You see how this whole argument hinges on meta now? You're making the argument that if VP Baltar isn't running the show, he's not town and that's utterly ridiculous.
(note Amish also suggested you as a possible scum(#3)