Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Cyberbob]

The vote for swimmer was for terribad reasons (only having a self-fulfilling prophecy) which does not equate to a scumtell at all. Voting for somebody over something that's not a scumtell in a non-random place = scum. Everyone vote for him and NAO!

/me holds down the fort

This head should post more often. It's far more humourously inept than VPB.

[xRECKONERx]

If I didn't know that Kise's VLA claim was in fact legit, I'd be very suspicious.

In any case, I don't think lynching the un-CC'd tracker is the right move. Maybe he's lying, but I'm sure the unrevealed tracker and watcher can confirm or deny that tonight. We already got a free gift with Exalt being modkilled, so I think it's a smart move to NOT lynch the claimed tracker today. Despite how scummy he's been.

Vote: Cyberbob

For obvious reasons. This vote may seem scummy, but I *did* iso him earlier, but I'm at a friends house drinking right now, so I can't get on to post my notes. Coming tomorrow.

[Glork]

Okay, *now* I'm interested in the wagoner's rasons for voting Cyberbob.

[Wickedestjr]

I doubt Kise would do that to his Godfather, so I need to look elsewhere, unless there are two mafia groups. The fact that it says "Jupiter Mafia Godfather" as opposed to just "Mafia Godfather" is obviously a point of discussion.

What did Kise do to Exalt?

He used a horrible exuse (Exalt and Merk having a personal conflict) to suggest that we lynch both players. EXTREMELY TINY chance that he's doing this to bus one of his scumbuddies.

I disagree with this then. I think that Kise is a smart enough player to realize that he wouldn't get support with that.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, I'm reading MM in iso, and I'm finding him scummy.

-Attacks Ray for "over-defensive" looks scum so early in the game.
-He says he's not pushing for a RF lynch, just voting for him (this is, he's creating an excuse for a mislynch).
-Votes for Swimmer for he thinks Swimmer has inside information.
-Trying to buddy with town to gain points
-Keeps attacks on RF over nonsenses
-Under pressure, tries to diminish his attacks saying they weren't the big thing

He later claims tracker, which, well, would be a shame to lose if he's actually saying the truth. And as tracker is easily confirmed, I suggest we leave him be for now. If anything, he can be a good D2 lynch.

I'm getting some suspicions on RBT, Tar and Cyber, nothing great, but something.

Unvote.

[Wickedestjr]

Okay I'm finally caught up. Here my thoughts about all the players;

Tarhalindur - His post where he tried to find relations between Exalt and other players wasn't very good and it seems like it was an attempt to appear pro-town or to not look like Jupiter Mafia. Also he makes a bad point against Glork and said Empking probably wasn't Jupiter Mafia for terrible reasons. I'm thinking that he's scum. Probably Jupiter Mafia.

Vaya - Who's she again? Neutral.

Devestation - His posts haven't really been very helpful. The only player that he has commented on is MonkeyMan. Neutral-scum.

Mufasa - Did he get his pm yet? Neutral.

WarWound - I don't even know that he's made any posts. Neutral.

xRECKONERx - I can't get a read on him yet. Neutral.

Snow_Bunny - We seem to have many common suspects which is good. Also, gut is telling me town. Town.

Riceballtail - I dislike most of her posts. Also, several of the things she says seem to be things that other people have already said.
Neutral-Scum.

Socrates - I don't think his posts are very helpful. Neutral-Scum.

Wysp - Swimmer I thought was town so... Town.

Kise - See my reasons for FoSing him earlier. Scum.

Glork - His relations with Exalt make him look town. His posts also seem pro-town. Town.

Empking - I see a scum Tarhalindur and Empking connection.
Neutral-Scum.

RayFrost - His posts don't have much content. Most of the things he comments on are not even related to scumhunting in this particular game. I still need more info to get a good idea about him. Neutral-Scum.

SolemnJ - Logic says scum, but gut says town. I'm going with gut now. Town.

Merkabah - Their posts are good, and also he gets many town points for Exalt's flip.

MonkeyMan576 - Scum.

Cyberbob - The points brought up against him are pretty convincing. Scum.

Pads - His posts are very pro-town looking. Town.

Slicey - Neutral.

Raivann - Don't know much about him yet. I'm waiting for more posts.
Neutral.


So;

Scum

Tarhalindur
Kise
MonkeyMan
Cyberbob

Neutral-Scum

Rayfrost
Empking
Socrates
Riceballtail
Devestation

Neutral

Raivann
Slicey
xRx
WarWound
Mufasa
Vaya

Town

Pads
Merkabah
SolemnJ
Glork
Wysp
Snow_Bunny

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote:Wysp

@Wickedest & Merkabah - Why did you think swimmer was town?


We're gonna have to agree on someone. I'm not feelin the Cyberbob votes.
I think swimmer was scum and Wysp has yet to post content.

[Glork]

There is so much scummy in this thread, I can hardly take it.

[RayFrost]

There is so much scummy in this thread, I can hardly take it.

who?

other than me, that is

[Devestation]

MonkeyMan is so far the only person that has seriously attracted my attention as scummy.

[Merkabah]

@Raiv: We both thought that the attacks against swimmer were for bad/scummy reasons (Exalt being one of the more prominent ones *hint hint*); so I didn't think that scum would bus their partner that early/so hard.

@Wickedest: /facepalm What do you really think you putting your thoughts about the whole game down will achieve? You've been able to coast by by not commenting on the current events by posting useless catchup posts.

@Dev: Really? Nobody else?

@Glork: 360-361 makes me sad. That was my bolded part of a big post that I had to Exalt

@Mod: Votecount please?

We're 6 days from a deadline and without reaching a consensus we will no-lynch (which obviously is not good.)

-A

[Wickedestjr]

@Wickedest: /facepalm What do you really think you putting your thoughts about the whole game down will achieve? You've been able to coast by by not commenting on the current events by posting useless catchup posts.

I put my thoughts down about all the players to show my stance on things. Are you saying I shouldn't have? Also, what current events have I failed to comment on? Also, I don't think my posts are useless.

[Glork]

Mufasa needs to be replaced.


Also, seriously. Vote Count. Where are our mod and backup mod?

[Raivann]

@Raiv: We both thought that the attacks against swimmer were for bad/scummy reasons (Exalt being one of the more prominent ones *hint hint*); so I didn't think that scum would bus their partner that early/so hard.

If there is more than one scum faction(which i believe btw) your reason doesn't make any sense.

[Xylthixlm]

Did someone say "backup mod"?

Vote Count

Tarhalindur(0) -

Vaya(1)

- Kise
Devestation(0) -
Mufasa(0) -
WarWound(0) -
xRECKONERx(0) -
Snow_Bunny(0) -
Riceballtail(0) -
Socrates(0) -

Wickedestjr(1)

- Pads
Exalt(0) -

Wysp(4)

- Empking, Exalt, MonkeyMan576, Raivann

Kise(1)

- Cyberbob
Glork(0) -
Empking(0) -

RayFrost(2)

- Wickedestjr, Wysp

SolemnJ(1)

- Socrates
Merkabah(0) -

MonkeyMan576(4)

- SolemnJ, Riceballtail, Tarhalindur, RayFrost

Cyberbob(3)

- Glork, Merkabah, xRECKONERx
Pads(0) -
Slicey(0) -
Raivann(0) -

Not Voting(6)

- Vaya, Mufasa, Slicey, WarWound, Devestation, Snow_Bunny

With 23 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
Deadline: 30/11/09

[Socrates]

MonkeyMan is so far the only person that has seriously attracted my attention as scummy.

quick, without thinking and reading back in the thread and going entirely off the top of your head, who would you vote?

Anybody willing to join me over here on SolemnJ? Nobody?

Where the hell is Wysp?

[Wickedestjr]

@Raiv: We both thought that the attacks against swimmer were for bad/scummy reasons (Exalt being one of the more prominent ones *hint hint*); so I didn't think that scum would bus their partner that early/so hard.

If there is more than one scum faction(which i believe btw) your reason doesn't make any sense.

I thought he was town before Exalt's flip. I explain why in one of my previous posts.

Also, apparently I hadn't unvoted.

Unvote Vote: MonkeyMan

. That's where I intended to have my vote, and I still plan on keeping it until MonkeyMan makes good responses to the accusations brought up against him.

[Wickedestjr]

Also, mod, Exalt is not playing anymore. His name is still in the votecount.

[Xylthixlm]

Oops. I can't edit posts, so this will have to do.

Vote Count

Tarhalindur(0) -

Vaya(1)

- Kise
Devestation(0) -
Mufasa(0) -
WarWound(0) -
xRECKONERx(0) -
Snow_Bunny(0) -
Riceballtail(0) -
Socrates(0) -

Wickedestjr(1)

- Pads

Wysp(3)

- Empking, MonkeyMan576, Raivann

Kise(1)

- Cyberbob
Glork(0) -
Empking(0) -

RayFrost(1)

- Wysp

SolemnJ(1)

- Socrates
Merkabah(0) -

MonkeyMan576(5)

- SolemnJ, Riceballtail, Tarhalindur, RayFrost, Wickedestjr

Cyberbob(3)

- Glork, Merkabah, xRECKONERx
Pads(0) -
Slicey(0) -
Raivann(0) -

Not Voting(6)

- Vaya, Mufasa, Slicey, WarWound, Devestation, Snow_Bunny

With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
Deadline: 30/11/09

[Merkabah]

@Raiv: Did you have any indication of more than one scumgroup before the "Jupiter Mafia" flip? Exactly. Stop wasting time and vote for Cyber already. You all wanna know why you should? Well here you go!

First two posts: No content.

Third post; Negative content as he says that getting out of the RVS is pro-town; but he's not doing it.

4, no content (sense a pattern yet?)

5: claims credit for getting out of the RVS by being useless and making another player question him; while also voting for swimmer for previously mentioned terrible reasoning (See post 411 on page 17). Having a self-fulfilling prophecy is not a scumtell. Trying to turn it into one so that you have a reason to vote is scummy.

Going after swimmer after S4L had accused both Ray and himself {Cyber} for such a weak reason looks like OMGUS as well.

He's called Wickedest scummy twice (ISO 5 and 10) and Exalt once (10); yet his vote is on Swimmer at the time.

Basically hasn't contributed anything except for looking for reasons (apparently) to not move his vote or defend himself in this early game.

6 days ago he promised content that should've come 5 days ago. I'm all for seeing people have a life; but this is just outrageous.

Speaking of lack of producing content: he then votes for Kise for the "lynch Exalt and Merk" comment; while apparently having a good case against Swimmer. Why would you retract your whole previous position (basically) by voting for somebody over one line when you have a bullet list of reasons to vote for swimmer? (Hint: it's because he really doesn't have a case he believes in against swimmer; and the wagon wasn't going anywhere). He had never mentioned Kise beforehand; so instead of questioning the motives behind what he {Kise} said; hops on something that looks like it'll be a growing wagon.

ISO 23 is pretty golden too: He states that he will give his list on Swimmer; while not even having S4L in his top 3. What's the point anymore? Also: his reasons for voting for Kise were all after the vote (defense doesn't look genuine; and Kise's accused OMGUS was after Cyber voted for Kise in 278; Kise came back to the thread in 298). So he's guilty of manufacturing reasons for his vote that all occurred after his vote. Pretty sure I accused Exalt of doing the same thing. You wanna know why? Cause it's a scum behavior. (Also doesn't take into account his early "suspicions" of wickedest; of which a townie would remember and actually explore). Failing to follow up with your suspicions when you really aren't pushing your main agenda (questioning swimmer or Kise with your vote on them) is scummy as hell; and we need to do something about it.

Barely anything that CB has said in these 18 pages has actually contributed to the game. What little he has contributed has been better contributed by others.

So, to:
1. Tarhalindur
2. Vaya
3. Devestation
4. Mufasa
5. WarWound
7. Snow_Bunny
8. Riceballtail
9. Socrates
10. Wickedestjr
12. Wysp
13. Kise
15. Empking
16. RayFrost
17. SolemnJ
19. MonkeyMan576
20. Cyberbob
21. Pads
22. Slicey
23. Raivann

You should all be voting for Cyber in the next 5 days.

[Vaya]

Vote: Cyberbob

[Cyberbob]

loooool

That was Vaya's second post. I hope you guys are actually paying attention to some of these votes; I'd hate to see this go to waste.

[Cyberbob]

Morning has broken/like the first morning/blackbird has spoken/like the first bird~

[Merkabah]

Cyber, you're doing a great (read: terrible) job of pushing for Kise, or anything that resembles acting pro-town; so keep it up and we can continue with the lynch on you that we need to hit in five days. You could just vote yourself and help us along.

Capish, Cat Stevens?

[Cyberbob]

Why do you keep saying 5 days when the deadline's on the 30th? Is it a timezone thing?