Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count, Day 3

hiphop ( 1 ) Xylthixlm
Shotty to the Body ( 0 )
charter ( 2 ) roflcopter Shotty to the Body
fhqwhgads ( 0 )
hitogoroshi ( 0 )
Idiotking ( 0 )
Infinis ( 0 )
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Pads ( 1 ) SpyreX
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )
RayFrost ( 0 )
RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Unvote ( 12 ) hiphop charter fhqwhgads hitogoroshi idiotking Infinis Pads popsofctown Zakeri RayFrost RedCoyote Sotty7
Total Votes ( 16 )

With 16 alive, 9 needed to reach a majority.
Deadline is at December 12th, 4pm EST

SpyreX bad. No vote Pads. Pads town.

[SpyreX]

If one can make a compelling argument sure. I'm just not seeing it though.

I've seen a lot of fences and a lot of words but not a lot of content.

[hiphop]

@rc- What is wrong if my case looks like vi's( not saying it is) If I believe you are scum, because of the way you act and some of your actions are scummy, than yes I will put my vote where it belongs. (Still need to post it. I don't think I have room in this post)

It's pure, unadulterated meta. I challenged Vi and got nothing, so I challenge you just the same. It's almost not even worth mentioning your vote, and I don't think I even would have but for the complete opposite direction you're heading. You were building up something tangible against Sotty (who I think is suspiciously playing not up to her capacity), elvis is shot, and then you vote me? I don't understand where you're coming from, frankly.

No, rc it is not just meta. What you did day one is scummy by itself, meta just ups the anty. You don't understand where I am coming from? I think you are scummy, that is where I am coming from.

However, based on rofl's recent post, charter needs to die sooner. So

vote charter

I've just felt like we've seen a lot of vanilla flips...

I am happy, that the town flips are only vanilla, aren't you? Better than a PR.

Also what happened to Pads?

Look at this

In my (admittedly limited) experience the vig is either 1-shot or ad infinitum, never seen a 2-shot or anything like that so I presume we'll have continuing shots.

read this

2. If roles are included in the game they can be: day actions, night actions, or both. They can be permanent powers (i.e. you can use them every night, day, etc.), every other (e.g. you can use it on days 1, 3, 5) or they can be one, two or three shot powers. The powers can either be immediately active or backups (e.g. backup tracker would become active upon the real tracker's death). Backups are not told of their status, and there can be backups without an active counterpart.

Anything I missed?

[roflcopter]

Correct me if I'm wrong but rofl's case on charter kind of seems like a pretty similar argument to the one that was made against Mae.

this is worthless fearmongering.

Cases based on connections alone make me nervous.

the case against elvis was based on connections. bizzow! bad excuse for ignoring charter. look at his posts in iso yourself.

spyrex keeps going against the grain and its starting to get obnoxious. spy, did you ever vote for elvis yesterday?

[SpyreX]

No, I said the vig should shoot elvis. Which they did. Under the guise that it wasn't going to happen then I would have hopped my vote.

Just like how I thought the Mae case was junk until Mae opted to give up.

[Shotty to the Body]

@rc- What is wrong if my case looks like vi's( not saying it is) If I believe you are scum, because of the way you act and some of your actions are scummy, than yes I will put my vote where it belongs. (Still need to post it. I don't think I have room in this post)

It's pure, unadulterated meta. I challenged Vi and got nothing, so I challenge you just the same. It's almost not even worth mentioning your vote, and I don't think I even would have but for the complete opposite direction you're heading. You were building up something tangible against Sotty (who I think is suspiciously playing not up to her capacity), elvis is shot, and then you vote me? I don't understand where you're coming from, frankly.

No, rc it is not just meta. What you did day one is scummy by itself, meta just ups the anty. You don't understand where I am coming from? I think you are scummy, that is where I am coming from.

However, based on rofl's recent post, charter needs to die sooner. So

vote charter

I've just felt like we've seen a lot of vanilla flips...

I am happy, that the town flips are only vanilla, aren't you? Better than a PR.

Also what happened to Pads?

Look at this

In my (admittedly limited) experience the vig is either 1-shot or ad infinitum, never seen a 2-shot or anything like that so I presume we'll have continuing shots.

read this

2. If roles are included in the game they can be: day actions, night actions, or both. They can be permanent powers (i.e. you can use them every night, day, etc.), every other (e.g. you can use it on days 1, 3, 5) or they can be one, two or three shot powers. The powers can either be immediately active or backups (e.g. backup tracker would become active upon the real tracker's death). Backups are not told of their status, and there can be backups without an active counterpart.

Anything I missed?

Well that post was more directed at rofl than you, but oh well guess I missed the part about roles, thank you. I agree that vanilla flips are good, it's almost too good so I wondered if a janitor could clean to vanilla townie. =\

[Shotty to the Body]

Cases based on connections alone make me nervous.

the case against elvis was based on connections. bizzow! bad excuse for ignoring charter. look at his posts in iso yourself.

Connections are one of the best indicators I've seen so far for lynching someone. Besides there is more than just connections in the charter case.

[RayFrost]

janitors cause no role reveal of NKs, they don't change the role revealed.

[RayFrost]

hiphop is easy bandwagoning/bussing scum, imo.

charter is scum.

infinis is scum.

[hiphop]

Right here shotty

b. This game does not HAVE to have any other roles other than Townies and Mafia.

Which means we can have lots of vanilla.

1. Vanilla, Goon, Backup (Cop, Doc, Jail Keeper, Miller, Tracker, Vigil, Watcher, Roleblocker, Role Cop)

Bomb

, Bulletproof (both as town and scum role), Bus Driver, (Sane) Cop, (Insane) Cop,

Cult

, Doctor, Godfather, Jail Keeper,

Jester

, Lyncher, Mason (both town and scum), Miller, Redirector, Roleblocker, Role Cop (mafia only), Serial Killer, Survivor, Tracker, Traitor, Vigilante, Watcher, at maximum one Unique Undeclared Role. Keep in mind that all of these roles can be slightly altered from what you normally expect (while keeping their essential character).

I had to look up the role of a janitor. Didn't know what it was.

As you can see no janitors possible. You said at the end of day 2 that you wanted to lynch infinis and ray today. Where is ray on your list now?

Ray put your vote on. You can say people are scummy all you want, but don't fence sit.

[RayFrost]

not putting a vote != fencesitting.

I was just deciding which of you deserves death the most.

vote: charter

[hiphop]

not putting a vote != fencesitting.

I was just deciding which of you deserves death the most.

vote: charter

No just deciding which one the town will let you support, without looking too scummy.

[RayFrost]

No just deciding which one the town will let you support, without looking too scummy.

Sure, sure.

Keep thinking you can paint me as scummy~

[charter]

note the bolded, imaginality's ultra safe position somewhere in the "lesser degree of suspicion" category. also, pops is town.

This is similar to Pops's BS accusation of sprinkler scumhunting. Just because I was right, but didn't have enough to go on, that makes me scum? Please.

parrots my point about confid, then makes another vague point and joins the wagon as vote number nine, pushing it one step closer to the mislynch it would have been if not for awesome daykilling

And this isn't scummy.

this post shows how awesome i am at sniffing out the weirdness between scumpartners. since elvis was scum and charter is scum.

Yeah, that doesn't make me look very good, nothing I can do about it though.

demanding that scum didn't kill crypto seems like a desperate "this is a bogus reason to suspect my scumpartner!" deal, and also probably an admission that scum really didn't and therefore fishing for whoever did kill him

Actually, if you read my posts late day one, you can easily tell this is the opposite of fishing. Read them late day two and I'm sure you can figure it out.

I'm sorry rofl, but you are barking up the wrong tree big time here.

I need to reread, again, because I'm clearly lost.

[hiphop]

Keep thinking you can paint me as scummy~

Don't need to, just look at your post with your scum list.

hiphop is easy bandwagoning/bussing scum, imo.

charter is scum.

infinis is scum.

You agree that all three listed are scum, which means you would be willing to lynch all three. Yet you said you had to decide. What is there to decide on? That is obvious, the one that makes you look better.

[hitogoroshi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but rofl's case on charter kind of seems like a pretty similar argument to the one that was made against Mae.

this is worthless fearmongering.

It's not fear, it's caution. Yes, the case on Elvis was based off of connections, but so was the case on Mae. The fact that we're calling charter as scum with elvis seems a whole lot to me like how we called Mae as scum with elvis. As I said before, correct me if I'm wrong, but as it stands they are looking too close for comfort. I didn't push the ideas from 1047 yesterday when doing so could have saved a townie, so you'll forgive me for being worried I may commit the same mistake of inaction again.

[Sotty7]

Vote: Hip hop

His attacks on me were really bad and with me being so wrong about Sigma I am happy to join Xyl for now with my good read. charter is a little bit harder. I didn't like his vote or early attack on Pops (I agree with Rolf that Pops is likely town) but he has been actively trying to hunt scum I think.

If we still have shots with our day vig I think infinis could be a good place to aim.

[Xylthixlm]

the case against elvis was based on connections.

No, MY vote on elvis was based on looking at her in iso and OMG SCUM! I didn't need any connections.

[Xylthixlm]

Actually it took me

less than seven minutes

between getting my role PM and posting a "hi" message (no, I didn't look at the thread before that), to getting a read on elvis as scum. Do you seriously think I did a connection analysis in less than seven minutes? No, she was just plain totally obvscum. And now hiphop is just plain totally obvscum. I don't need any fancy analysis, I just need to read his posts.

[hiphop]

Vote: Hip hop

His attacks on me were really bad and with me being so wrong about Sigma I am happy to join Xyl for now with my good read.

I never did get this. Who cares if in your opinion my attacks are bad. Rc agrees with them, so that is basically him saying them. Are you saying that rc's attacks on you were bad also?

Do you even know the case on me? I don't even know the case on me. I believe it was, "I isoed hiphop and his scumminess jumped out." So I ignored it.

charter is a little bit harder. I didn't like his vote or early attack on Pops but he has been actively trying to hunt scum

I think.

Key words, I think. Not "I know". Charter made, what you believe, one bad attack on pops, I made, what you believe, one bad attack on you. The difference is, I attacked you. In fact your whole case on me is OMGUS.

[SpyreX]

OMGUS

NO U

Unvote, Vote: Hiphop

[roflcopter]

we really need more votes on charter. the people who are subtly defending him by pushing alternate wagons or calling him only sort of scummy but not as scummy as someone else are quickly rising on my radar (looking at you, sotty and xyl)

[Xylthixlm]

we really need more votes on charter. the people who are subtly defending him by pushing alternate wagons or calling him only sort of scummy but not as scummy as someone else are quickly rising on my radar (looking at you, sotty and xyl)

You don't get to say that unless we lynch hiphop and he turns up town.

[roflcopter]

no but charter is scum

[Xylthixlm]

no but charter is scum

We lynched Maemuki yesterday, now we're lynching hiphop.