Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Cyberbob]

It's her fault for wearing skanky clothing...!

[Merkabah]

Ok, Amish is going VLA now for a few days and I'll be taking back over for our hydra during that time. I've missed the past few days due to traveling and the holidays, but I should be catching up and posting either today or tomorrow.

-VPB

[Wickedestjr]

Because it's one of the most god-awful things I've ever seen. "It's too scummy to be scummy!!!" is not good in any way shape or form and you should be drawing a lot more suspicion than you currently are.

I've used that argument before, when looking for scum. Even if I didn't use that argument against her, the points against her could be applied to many other players.

1: Are you really asking my why helpfulness = pro-town? What kind of question is that?

2: Were they, now?

3: Are you completely ignoring my following post?

1: No, I'm not. I don't know how you drew that conclusion. I see that contributing more is helpful to the town, however, you can't judge allignment based on contribution. If that were the case, then scum would contribute more, but that just creates WIFOM.

2: Yep. Here are the reasons;

[A: xReck voted Vaya for basically lurking, and yet he ignores MM's sudden lurking.][B: He's even hypocrite enough to say that my reasons to vote for Cyber are convenient, when he doesn't have a real reason to vote for Cyber. When he placed his vote, he said he couldn't post the reasons atm, but then he never posted them at all. Next thing he did after voting him was pushing for his lynch. Still no reasons.]

Keep in mind that this was the post where she gave her thoughts on you, and her previous post was post #454.

A: xRx, you did this in post 482. That was after post 454. So her first post after you voted Vaya was the one where she attacked you for it.

B: xRx, you did this in post 487. That was after post 454. So her first post after you said her reasons for voting cyberbob were convenient was the one where she attacked you for it.

So, the points were both based on your attack, and she accused you the first post after you did those things.


3: Okay


Cyberbob, if you find the town isn't playing well, why don't you actually help? If you don't want to win/play, then ask for a replacement.

[Cyberbob]

I've used that argument before

This is not a valid argument, sorry. There's a reason we call certain actions "scummy". Would you like for me to spell it out for you?

Cyberbob, if you find the town isn't playing well, why don't you actually help? If you don't want to win/play, then ask for a replacement.

Who said I'm not playing to win? I certainly think that my wagon has a number of scum on it and my cardflip will aid in their eventual deaths. It's pretty much the only valid tool I have left that anyone will actually pay attention to.

[xRECKONERx]

Wicked, she didn't attack me and say she wanted a lynch on me until I attacked her. That's my point. Why are you arguing against that?

[Glork]

Cyber, if you're protown and you think you're doomed to failure, the least you could do is to provide your thoughts on everyone (and I mean

everyone

) before you do get lynched.

Instead you're sitting hear playing the part of doomsayer and not actually contributing. Nothing's wrong with defending/explaining yourself, but you seem to have given up active scumhunting in the hopes that "the rest of the town" will be somehow enlightened by your death.

[MonkeyMan576]

On the other hand... *reads Cyberbob as scum in Commie Mafia more carefully*... while Cyberbob wasn't as emotional there as he is here, dear gods his summary posts there are JUST like his ones here. (Including one very early this game where my first read was a town PBPA. Oops.)

Whoops, guess that means I have a fairly consistent style of writing PBPAs..............

Seriously. Watching you guys run around feeling so happy with your AWESOMELY SWEET READS is actually pretty funny.

So your argument is anyone who has a scum read on you is either not town or playing anti-town?

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

Tarhalindur(0) -

Vaya(2)

- Socrates, MonkeyMan576
Devestation(0) -
Mufasa(0) -
WarWound(0) -
xRECKONERx(0) -

Snow_Bunny(2)

- xRECKONERx, RayFrost
Riceballtail(0) -
Socrates(0) -

Wickedestjr(1)

- Pads

Wysp(2)

- Empking, Raivann

Kise(1)

- Cyberbob
Glork(0) -
Empking(0) -

RayFrost(1)

- Wysp
SolemnJ(0) -
Merkabah(0) -

MonkeyMan576(1)

- SolemnJ

Cyberbob(8)

- Glork, Merkabah, Vaya, Riceballtail, Snow_Bunny, Wickedestjr, Tarhalindur, Devestation
Pads(0) -
Slicey(0) -
Raivann(0) -

Not Voting(4)

- Mufasa, Slicey, WarWound, Kise

With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
Deadline: 7/12/09

[Xylthixlm]

SensFan replaces Mufasa. First post will be updated whenever I get mod powers (should be soon).

[Pads]

Vaya has only made three posts. None of them have been that helpful. However, having said that, I don't think Vaya would have come out of nowhere to jump on the most popular bandwagon if she was scum.

Isn't that exactly what a scum would do?

For clarification, I don't find Vaya scummy. Mostly it's because I think he made a very reasonable, yet likely unpopular, observation in Post 462. It's kind of fearmongering, but it's true, especially in a game with multiple mafias, that fast wagons do not indicate that the target is a townie, and the people balking at the wagon, simply due to its speed, look out of place.

But I understand the attention Vaya has gotten, and I find it curious that the thing that most people point out as the defining scumminess of Vaya is something that you point out as the defining towniness of Vaya.

In reference to the other two that Glork had been discussing, I find SnowBunny to be far scummier. I don't have a specific quote to show why I think that, but an iso read of SnowBunny shows a consistent pattern of 'sending out feelers' on what lynches the town might go for, and then heading to the most popular wagons. But SnowBunny isn't the lynch for today.

And neither is wickedestjr.

unvote

If we lynch someone other than Swimmer, MonkeyMan, or Cyberbob, we're not maximizing our gain from the day's discussion. MonkeyMan is off limits for now, and I still think Swimmer was newbTown.

vote:Cyberbob

Some folks are pointing at Cyberbob's current attitude and saying that it's obviously apathetic town, while others are saying that it's obviously defeated scum. The truth is that scum can fart that stuff out as easily as town can. It's a null tell, and I raise an eyebrow at people who have only that (and barning) as the reason for their vote/refusal to vote.

[SensFan]

Sitting down to start reading this now. I should get a post up by the end of the day. Worst-case scenario I'll have something tomorrow.

Please don't lynch Cyber before I have a chance to post.

[xRECKONERx]

If we lynch someone other than Swimmer, MonkeyMan, or Cyberbob, we're not maximizing our gain from the day's discussion. MonkeyMan is off limits for now, and I still think Swimmer was newbTown.

Solid reasoning.

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm not sold on the Cyberbob case, but I'm against a no lynch.

Unvote:
Vote: Cyberbob

[xRECKONERx]

Vote: Cyberbob

L-1 warning. DO NOT HAMMER BEFORE SENSFAN CATCHES UP.

[Glork]

Unvote

only to prevent an "accidental" hammer before Cyber claims and Sens reads.


Cyber, you need to claim now, and give us your thoughts on as many people as you can.

[Merkabah]

I would also like a chance to finish my catching up before people hammer away. This game is my number 1 priority right now, so I'm guessing I should be able to get my post up tonight.

[Xylthixlm]

muh316 replaces Wysp. First post updated.

[muh316]

Im going to catch up on the reading. If anything interesting just pull it up so I can know.

[RayFrost]

Oh gods, Muh is in this game?

Can I have a one shot vig plz?

[muh316]

Oh gods, Muh is in this game?

Can I have a one shot vig plz?

why something was wrong with me in the newbie

[RayFrost]

Ummm... yes... a lot was wrong.

Anyway, I don't think I'll get a one shot vig, so... you just do your thing, kay?

[muh316]

whats up with the deadline

[RayFrost]

The deadline is in 5 days.

[Raivann]

Unvote

only to prevent an "accidental" hammer before Cyber claims and Sens reads.

How "townie" of you!

What's an accidental hammer?

[RayFrost]

"accidental" means somebody pretending they didn't realize it was L-1 in order to have a hammer