Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[Sanjay]

As for not wanting the full claim, I figured today if DJ was alive he would have to answer both what his night actions were and why he didn't full claim. If he didn't have a good reason, swell, we lynch him.

I can see reasons why a town power might want to soft claim instead of full claim.

[semioldguy]

In my read, no, you didn't. You were around and posting, but looked more like you were prodding the two involved in the fight rather than choosing a side. Eventually you kind of chose a side (only to fence sit a little bit on it again later). You were not taking a strong enough stand in my opinion in relation to your presence in the thread during that time. The side you eventually chose was the one I interpreted to be the wrong side... though I really don't want to unearth that monster and discuss why I think each side was right and/or wrong.

[semioldguy]

The reason don_johnson gave for withholding that role info was crap though. In one of his supposed reason he proposed that if there were a roleblocker then if he revealed that he was a cop he would then not get his ability. News flash to don_johnson... he claimed having a power role. If there was a roleblocker, he was getting it anyway regardless of which role he had/claimed.

I endorse full-claiming or no-claiming. I don't think soft-claiming ever outweighs the reasons town shouldn't soft-claim.

[Sanjay]

Huh.

I thought DRK was being a bit overly defensive but more than that I really didn't understand why ConfidAnon was being so unreasonable. And given that, DRK's defensiveness seemed justifiable. That opinion of the events didn't really lend itself to me taking a strong stance.

My reads yesterday were murky. Call that fence sitting if you want, but it was hard day 1 to get strong reads on people. With a Confid and DJ flipping it is better, but this has not been a fun environment to scumhunt in.

I didn't really see the great benefit of a full claim rather than a soft claim. Sure, it becomes a little easier to fake claim if you happen to hit town power, but more likely that's not going to happen. And soft claiming can mess with the mafia's heads.

And I'm inclined to let claimed cops live, especially day 1. They are relatively easy roles to scrutinize and on day one you aren't really going to have much to grill them on.

DJ's reasons for soft claiming weren't the best, but I could believe he had them from town.

[Sanjay]

Basically I just thought he was an idiot.

[Looker]

Maybe he was just confused, Sanjay.

Also, has there ever been a time where town consecutively lynched scum with no mislynches the entire game? Is that possible?

[DeathRowKitty]

@BB
I linked this post because it's too long to reasonably quote. In this post, your only comment about my defense is that you didn't like part of it, yet by the end of the post, you unvoted me and voted SJ. Is there something there I'm not getting? Also, it'd be nice if you could elaborate on what you didn't like about my post.

So far Sanjay is my top suspect.

Apart from the facts (yes I know that's going to sound a little weird), what do you think of SJ? I ask this because, while I agree he had some play at the end of Day 1 that looks bad in hindsight, I got a very townie feeling from him Day 1 in general.

[semioldguy]

@DeathRowKitty
I had a scum read on him fairly early on. He was the first player I suspected in my read. I had my scum read on him before I even got to the end of day interactions. I didn't get a town read on him. I honestly don't see the towniness in him that others have said to have seen.

@Looker
The last large theme game you were in with me was a perfect game for town, not a single mislynch. We lynched scum every day in Percy's Stars Aligned.

[Sanjay]

When would you say you started to suspect me, semioldguy?

[Looker]

@DeathRowKitty
I had a scum read on him fairly early on. He was the first player I suspected in my read. I had my scum read on him before I even got to the end of day interactions. I didn't get a town read on him. I honestly don't see the towniness in him that others have said to have seen.

@Looker
The last large theme game you were in with me was a perfect game for town, not a single mislynch. We lynched scum every day in Percy's Stars Aligned.

I suck at convincing people, but I strongly believe Sanjay is DJ's partner. Whether or not one of you (SOG or BB) is Sanjay's partner as well, I don't know. But I'm fairly positive Sanjay is DJ's partner.

And regarding that theme game: That was only possible because they reeled in the big wigs. That'd never happen with newbs like myself. I'm still trying to swallow the "No Self-Hammering!" rule.

[Looker]

O, and can psychology be used as evidence to support a case? So far, I'm currently doubting it not only due to WIFOM but to general inaccuracy.

[Sanjay]

Go for it.

[Kreriov]

Vote Count

BigBear (2) - Sanjay havingfitz
eleven knives in a throat (2) - Furry Knight of Cydonia

Knight of Cydonia (3)

- eleven knives in a throat archaebob DeathRowKitty
Sanjay (2) - BigBear looker

Not Voting: semioldguy

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch

Deadline: Friday 11 Dec @ 11pm EST

[Looker]

Kreriov: Sanjay has two votes, sir

[Looker]

vote Knight of Cydonia

wait, u guys hold up. we need to figure out immediately what we're doing about ZazieR. my guess is that he's pretty much about to replace out (@ ZazieR - which is really shitty, btw, given how difficult this game has already been for Kreriov). if he doesn't either replace out or start posting soon, i strongly recommend an instant bandwagon on his ass.

- Dismissed as playstyle though I have no meta or references to corroborate.

Yes, I'm here Looker.

I don't think you guys understand how absolutely insane this thread is, from a replacement's perspective.

My vote is on Knight of Cydonia because I don't buy his eleven knives vote.

- I think Sanjay is the single point of failure. I'm suspicious of KoC, but through Sanjay. Similar to circuitry and electrical engineering...crap.
- What exactly don't you buy about his vote and what would it take for you to join the Sanjay wagon?

i'm winning the lynch race with 36 hours until deadline. i am just trying to help.

looker: why is it an either/or between me and drk? what about the recent events has you thinking this way? why are you voting KoC?

furry: waiting on your bullshit "i'm waiting to see one thing" bullshit. spew anytime.


oh shit. didn't see shrine is getting replaced. my bad.

mod: requesting deadline extension.

I believe your partners are unwilling to bus you and I believe KoC is one of your partners.

- As I stated, I'm already suspicious of KoC.

Bad things happened tonight, so this is kinda jisted.

Current suspicions: Sanjay & Don_Johnson as Mafia

Therefore,

unvote
vote Don_Johnson

Sorry for the lack of words

- However, I'm more suspicious of Sanjay. We need a Sanjay lynch, unless, of course, we can somehow confirm Sanjay as town. Yeah, we need a Sanjay lynch. That'd make things better.

[BigBear]

Grandmother just passed away and the viewing and funeral are on friday and saturday, which leaves a lot of traveling for me in the next few days, I will be out until Sunday evening. And I will get back to everyone's questions then.

[BigBear]

Grandmother just passed away and the viewing and funeral are on friday and saturday, which leaves a lot of traveling for me in the next few days, I will be out until Sunday evening. And I will get back to everyone's questions then.

[havingfitz]

Grandmother just passed away and the viewing and funeral are on friday and saturday, which leaves a lot of traveling for me in the next few days, I will be out until Sunday evening. And I will get back to everyone's questions then.

Condolences BB.

[eleven knives in a throat]

Bullshit. That vote was my first post of the day.

your

other

DRK vote.

I didn't "give meta excuses" - I said he was fitting his meta of actively not playing to a meta. I later commented that he was looking more and more scummy.

I don't see where you commented that. Not that it matters, actions speak louder than words.

Saying

you found him scummy when you didn't

do

anything about him is scummy.

Oh, and refusing to answer any of the many questions raised by Raskol's somewhat scummy play? Great. That's not scummy at all. ¬_¬

unvote; Vote eleven knives

So you switch over from your big crusade on DRK to me because I can't read Raskol's mind.

Makes perfect sense.

All of his posts in the week and a half since:

Pro-lurker.

Gogo gadget bandwagon! ¬_¬

This game is dying because questions like ^^^ ain't getting answered.

Knight of Cydonia, more like Actively Lurking to Avoid a Fight of Cydonia. (I know you all appreciate clever wordplay, but please, hold your applause. A vote for lurkerscum will suffice.)

[Sanjay]

What do you think about the other wagons, Mr. Knives?

Are you a one suspect at a time kind of guy or are there other players who've caught your fancy?

[Furry]

This is going to be one of those games where someone getting replaced makes the case on them go *poof* isnt it?

Look at the move from BN to BNs attacker.
Look at the him trying to push policy lynch over scummy lynch.
Look at his jump off DJ wagon to not voting.

The look at no one wanting to lynch him today.

If you need me I will be retching in the corner

[eleven knives in a throat]

What do you think about the other wagons, Mr. Knives?

Are you a one suspect at a time kind of guy or are there other players who've caught your fancy?

I don't think the evidence against either you or Bear is damning. I really haven't found anyone except KoC suspicious this game.

[Looker]

So are we deadlocked then? Cuz I'm good with my Sanjay vote. Nothing against you, of course, Sanjay, you're cool and everything (you helped me out in the beginning - thanks), but your clever personality does nothing to alleviate suspicions.

Suspicions
DJ, Sanjay, and quite possibly KoC. It wouldn't be the first time I've suspected him so if Sanjay isn't applicable, I'd rather go KoC than EKT. But of course, I'm going to ride this one out and stick with Sanjay. He's my fav

[Sanjay]

Aw shucks, you sure know how to make a guy feel special.

Remind me again why you don't like BigBear as a lynch candidate? Is it just because I suspect him?

You asked about a Furry lynch earlier today. Is that something you are interested in?

[Sanjay]

(It is not something I am interested in, by the way. I don't remember if I answered that.)