Mafia 105 - Caught in the Crossfire (Game Over)

[SpyreX]

Vote Count, Day 3

hiphop ( 1 ) - Sotty7
shotty to the body ( 0 )
fhqwhgads ( 1 ) - idiotking
hitogoroshi ( 2 ) - Pads - RayFrost
Idiotking ( 1 ) - fhqwhgads
Xylthixlm ( 0 )
Pads ( 0 )
popsofctown ( 0 )
Zakeri ( 0 )

RayFrost ( 4 ) - SpyreX - Xylthixlm - roflcopter - Shotty to the Body

RedCoyote ( 0 )
roflcopter ( 0 )
Sotty7 ( 0 )
SpyreX ( 0 )
Unvote ( 5 ) - zakeri - hiphop - RedCoyote - popsofctown - hitogoroshi
Total Votes ( 14 )

With 14 alive, 8 needed to reach a majority.
Majority reached. Plurality will be lynched at 3:45pm EST Friday, December 4th

Well.... hells bells.

Do we power wagon someone else to...save the SK?

[Xylthixlm]

Damn votes in the middle of huge blocks of text. I miss them every time.

Well, we're lynching RayFrost.

[RayFrost]

[SpyreX]

Woosh.

I'd really be pro shotty, pads, fhqhqhhedas getting some bullets for this, ps.

[popsofctown]

Lol! SAVE RAYFROST!!!

Seriously. Using his shots is very sound on paper.

I like shotty particularly off your list Spyrex.

vote: Shotty

My inquiry earlier didn't get much.

[RayFrost]

shotty seems town to me - meta on shotty-scum / him calling me out

fhq I'm fine with.

vote: fhqwhgads

[popsofctown]

I still think Imaginality's willingness to wagon EP suggests fhq isn't scum.

[SpyreX]

I will be more than glad to push a shotty lynch IF, and I swear to god I mean this, that it means that if he's scum Pads goes the way of the dodo tomorrow.

If not, I'm not going to try and spaz out in however small amount of time from when that magic clock started in trying to do it.

[popsofctown]

Sure, as long as you explain how they are connected and whatnot.

[SpyreX]

Actually I haven't even looked for connections so my caveat doesn't need to be there.

I just think they're both scum v0v

[SpyreX]

I'm gonna be out for a good chunk of the rest of tonight but needless to say:

Unvote, Vote: Shotty

There's a whole mess of SECRET INFORMATION I think to pull from this. Its obvious enough that if I am the dead someone else can do it (but not obvious enough I want to spell it out if he doesn't get killed / before the night actions come in).

[Xylthixlm]

Unvote

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Put that back.

[Xylthixlm]

There

might

be some value in leaving RayFrost alive and continuing to debate, but we no longer have that option. Right now, with 24h to get a lynch, RayFrost is by far the best candidate. I know there's a possibility of benefit from leaving him alive but it's nowhere near the downside of rushing a lynch on someone else in 24h.

[RayFrost]

Hmmm... get free lynches for some 4 days or so and rush a lynch on somebody else

lose that opportunity to not take out somebody that is found scummy-ish

yeah, such a huge deficit that we'd have with lynching somebody else

[popsofctown]

xythlim, towns only hit scum at some incremental amount among random chances. It's like 5 % or something.

A rushed 24 hour decision, even if it deprives us of almost all that improvement (it won't), is worse keeping a shooter alive.

[Xylthixlm]

xythlim, towns only hit scum at some incremental amount among random chances. It's like 5 % or something.

A rushed 24 hour decision, even if it deprives us of almost all that improvement (it won't), is worse keeping a shooter alive.

I'm not sure what you meant here. It seems some are missing.

[Xylthixlm]

Did you mean "worth" rather than "worse"? Because if you do, I disagree. Keep in mind that you're talking about a

nontown shooter

. If he was actually town my decision would be very different.

[popsofctown]

? more whats?

[popsofctown]

worth, yeha, i meant worth

[Xylthixlm]

popsofctown: Look at it this way. We have someone who we absolutely need to lynch some time before the end of the game. If we lynch someone else today, we will have to lynch RayFrost eventually. So what's the effect of instead lynching RayFrost today and someone else later? We lose the SK-directed kill, but we gain more information when we eventually lynch someone who isn't RayFrost. This was a close decision before we learned that majority had been reached; throw in the fact that we need to decide the lynch in 24h, and I think RayFrost is clearly the best option.

[Xylthixlm]

ABWOP: The thing that's different here than in the town vig case, or even the non-kill-immune SK case, is that

we absolutely must lynch RayFrost before the end of the game

. The question isn't "if" to lynch him, but "when" to lynch him.

[popsofctown]

Xylithm, you would trade in 2 daykills for a few weeks deadline extension? Because that's all the reversal of tomorrow's lynch and today's is. A few weeks deliberation versus two daykills. Yes, we have to kill him eventually. But making a snap decision on who to lynch here gives us two daykills.

[popsofctown]

I think we disagree about the value of discussion and the value of daykills.

[Xylthixlm]

Xylithm, you would trade in 2 daykills for a few weeks deadline extension? Because that's all the reversal of tomorrow's lynch and today's is. A few weeks deliberation versus two daykills. Yes, we have to kill him eventually. But making a snap decision on who to lynch here gives us two daykills.

No, a snap decision on who to lynch here gives

RayFrost

X daykills. Whereas delaying the decision gives us X extra day/night cycles of revealed aligments to use when deciding on a lynch, not just extra time for discussion.

[RayFrost]

I don't see how killing me adds value to the discussion.

You already know my alignment and who I've killed, making my flip moot.

As such, lynching me provides no new information whatsoever.

Xyl, you pushing for the lynch of a town-directed daykill or two is really coming across as scummy.