Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[muh316]

I'm beginning to think a Muh wagon might be better at this point. His behavior is very scummy.

FOS: Muh

or its just that I thought of you as suspicious and your trying to lynch me

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm beginning to think a Muh wagon might be better at this point. His behavior is very scummy.

FOS: Muh

or its just that I thought of you as suspicious and your trying to lynch me

LOL. You're right the fact that you continually promise to provide content but fail to do so, and then refuse to vote isn't suspicious.

[Wickedestjr]

I'm beginning to think a Muh wagon might be better at this point. His behavior is very scummy.

FOS: Muh

or its just that I thought of you as suspicious and your trying to lynch me

LOL. You're right the fact that you continually promise to provide content but fail to do so, and then refuse to vote isn't suspicious.

I hope this wasn't sarcasm.

[MonkeyMan576]

Are you purposely ignoring this point:

My reasoning is hardly flimsy. For early in day one, I'd say it's pretty good,

at least to make you scummier than anyone else

, and your comments seem to confirm my hypothesis.

This kind of seems like you are purposely trying to make Rayfrost look scummy. Mostly because your reasoning shouldn't make somebody look scummy, their actions should.

I was focusing on his actions, so I don't see your point.

What does this have to do with the point I brought up against you?

Because your reasoning was that actions should make someone scummy, and I agreed that Reck's actions made him scummy.

How is my suggesting his argument is strawman in itself a strawman?

Because RayFrost wasn't strawmanning you.

Well that's a matter of opinion.

First of all, if it actually is a strawman, then why have you completely forgotten about him?

Secondly, if RayFrost was strawmanning you then what exactly were you trying to convince the town of in that post?

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Which post?

Because he is trying to get others to view me in negative light without actually having to provide an argument.

How does calling you Monkeyboy actually make people view you in a negative light?

It's degregating.

Maybe only slightly, which brings me to my next question; Why do you think RayFrost would have done that so early in the game if it is obvious that it wouldn't have a great effect anyway?

I don't know, but it's WIFOM. Who knows what kind of effect it would have?

Also, how come you never responded to these points? I brought them up on page 14 after you requested that I bring them up again.

I probably didn't see them.

How come you weren't looking out for them?

People make mistakes.

[MonkeyMan576]

EBWOP: Ray, not reck.

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count

Tarhalindur(0) -

Vaya(1)

- Socrates
Devestation(0) -
SensFan(0) -
WarWound(0) -
xRECKONERx(0) -

Snow_Bunny(3)

- RayFrost, xRECKONERx, Cyberbob
Riceballtail(0) -
Socrates(0) -
Wickedestjr(0) -

muh316(2)

- Empking, Raivann
Kise(0) -
Glork(0) -
Empking(0) -
RayFrost(0) -
SolemnJ(0) -
Merkabah(0) -

MonkeyMan576(1)

- SolemnJ

Cyberbob(9)

- Merkabah, Vaya, Riceballtail, Snow_Bunny, Wickedestjr, Tarhalindur, Pads, MonkeyMan576, Glork
Pads(0) -
Slicey(0) -
Raivann(0) -

Not Voting(6)

- SensFan, Slicey, WarWound, Kise, Devestation, muh316

With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
Deadline: 7/12/09

[xRECKONERx]

THE QUOTE PYRAMIDS. THEY MUST END.

Also, I'm really liking a muh lynch if it comes down to it. Lack of content + quickness to throw suspicion on the person with the majority at the moment = scuuuuuumtastic!

[RayFrost]

Muh is one of the people I'd vig on N0 but not a person I'd ever want to waste a lynch on.

[Raivann]

Raivann how is he supposed to post content if he is still catching up?

3 more days to get caught up? Really?
How convenient that thats right after deadline.
I know people have lives and muh said he reads slow, but something is definitely off here.

[Xylthixlm]

Reminder: each replacing player is entitled to a one-day deadline extension on request.

[Cyberbob]

Wicked I honestly don't think you could possibly buddy Muh harder if you tried.

[SensFan]

Vote: Cyberbob

Combination of factors, too many to list right now, given I've been up since 5. But I've now fully read the thread, and its clear that he's today's lynch. I should be able to find time and explain who I agree with and such sometime this weekend, but Cyber is the clear lynch.

[RayFrost]

Sens:

opinion on monkeyman/swimmer/me & exalt/merk stuff?

[Cyberbob]

Vote: Cyberbob

Combination of factors, too many to list right now, given I've been up since 5. But I've now fully read the thread, and its clear that he's today's lynch. I should be able to find time and explain who I agree with and such sometime this weekend, but Cyber is the clear lynch.

clearly I am the clear lynch, I mean it's just soclear,

[Glork]

Vote: Cyberbob

Combination of factors, too many to list right now, given I've been up since 5. But I've now fully read the thread, and its clear that he's today's lynch. I should be able to find time and explain who I agree with and such sometime this weekend, but Cyber is the clear lynch.

:goodposting:

I'm going to spend the next few days until deadline doing nothing but reading and occasionally trolling for a Cyberlynch.

[Kise]

Don't want to vote until I make sure there's reason to still find Cyberbob scummy. Sunday, as I said. I barely can read half a page in an hour.

[Tarhalindur]

Back, rereading (focusing on a different game, in part because there are so many scummy players here that I'm having trouble figuring out which ones are actually scum).

1) Cyberbob... not sure. Gut says that most scum is unlikely to claim vanilla D1, but that just leads to Worlds of WIFOM. His PBPAs are scummy, and he's done little if any scumhunting. The total read I just finished isn't helping either - he's aggressive enough for me to be uncomfortable calling him scum (by my read, Cyberscum tends to be more passive than Cybertown), but he's not in-depth enough for me to be comfortable calling him town.

On balance... I'm still leaning Cyberscum, though it's not as firm a read as I'd like. The evidence of scumhunting can be explained easily enough by multiscum, since scum in multiscum tend to hunt for the other faction. Besides, worst case scenario is that we lynch a vanilla and I get a little more information to work with.

That said, the way the wagon's developed... even if Cyberbob is scum, I'll bet most of whichever faction he's not a part of is on the wagon. See in particular Vaya and Pads.

(Side note: After finishing the total read, I'm not nearly as confident in calling Cyberbob's PBPAs scum PBPAs as I was)

2) Observe this post:

Another filler post from muh w/ no content. Which is even doubly suspicious after his earlier posts...

still raeading. You guys post alot of content. I dont post alot. I might post a paragraph usually less

but i post something of content

Muh is obvscum and I'm thinking maybe even scum PR with the way swimmer was being defended.

so not posting content is a scumtell. I think not. And I think that maybe Merk vs Exalt was done on purpose because people would not suspect Merk. but it does seem like Exalt's nerves popped out on page 12 so I think I should eliminate that. So im gonna continue reading. Hope I'll be done in 3 days. The game is pretty interesting. And why was swimmer replaced by wysp? what did he do? And shouldnt the day have ended at EXalts kill?

Wait... what?

Funny how he claims that not posting content isn't a scumtell, when it's served me well enough in the past for me to give an acronym for it (IIoA). Also funny how this post is such a perfect example of the tell itself.

3) This game is NOT adding up. Part of the problem is just me, I'm sure (I know damn well that I'm generally a weak player in the early game), and part of the problem is that I can't see the multiscum dynamics playing out yet... but this game is still not making sense to me.

I'm pretty sure that two players are town, and while I'm not so sure about Devestation we should worry about him later, but the rest of this game is just a big morass of scummy and there's too much of it for it all to be town.

Merkabah, Vaya, RBT, Snow_Bunny, Wicked, Pads, MonkeyMan, Glork, SensFan:

If Cyberbob flips scum, a) Do you think he will flip Jupiter Mafia or from an unrevealed group? and b) Who do you think his most likely partner is?

Yes, these questions are important.

Personal answers (since I'm asking everyone on the Cyberbob wagon): Cyberbob is more likely to be Jupiter Mafia (would be much more sure about this if not for Cyberbob going V/LA and falling behind immediately after the Exalt modkill, which might on its own explain the change in his play I'm seeing at that time); on balance, xRECKONERx looks most likely to be a Cyberbob partner.

[MonkeyMan576]

My guess would be Jupiter mafia, but it's just a guess. Right now I am thinking Snow_Bunny is the most likely partner. Her accusing other people of lurking and then never playing is really bad. You're still on my scum list(for refusing to vote) but I don't know that I'd peg you as Jupiter mafia.

[Glork]

I'm going to say Jupiter Mafia because I haven't actually been given any reason to assume that there is more than one scumgroup. I could probably name a dozen games off the top of my head that had named mafia groups but didn't have multiple mafia groups, and it perturbs me that so many people have simply assumed that there are two groups.

As for his most likely partner, that would be one among [Vaya, Snow_Bunny, riceballtail], as I indicated earlier. I'm will tentatively say SB, then Vaya, then riceballtail, but I find it somewhat unlikely that there is more than one scumbag in that trio.


By the way, Tal, that post you just made put you way up on my list of People Who Need To Die. I will expand during D2, assuming I live that long. If not, the rest of the town will just have to figure out why you might be a dirty ol' scumbaggo.

[Merkabah]

As previously stated, Jupiter Mafia...Reckoner and Devestation partners. You heard it here first folks.

Also, all the muh hate seems like fabricated scumhunting and nothing more than a newbie beatdown. Probably scum in that group of people.

[Glork]

Also, all the muh hate seems like fabricated scumhunting and nothing more than a newbie beatdown. Probably scum in that group of people.

o fo rizzle

[Merkabah]

EBWOP: don't worry Glork...they probably won't kill us both and I'd like to see Tar bite a lynch very soon as well.

(both posts by VPB).

[xRECKONERx]

hear dat gaiz? merk seyz im uh jewpitur mafeeuh so eet muz b tru

[xRECKONERx]

Honestly (and I've said this from the start): I still like a Cyberbob lynch for a D1 lynch (information-wise, at least) but I absolutely think other players have been scummier, and would prefer a different (see: Snow_Bunny) lynch.

Though, SB is apparently not around, because I prodded her for another game like five days ago and she hasn't picked it up yet. *sigh* I have no idea what to do at this point.

Mod: Can we get a prod on SnowBunny/replacement?

[Xylthixlm]

Annachie replaces SolemnJ.