Open 186; Jungle Republic (Game Over)

[Paradoxombie]

Sorry it took so long for this post.

also Para, dont remember you...have a reminder?

I vaguely remember you mislynching me.

my last two games i single handedly caught scum b2b ftw...you were one of those games budja, so you know I can play if I feel like it.

Yeah and what about your scum play? Is it that "good" too?

Unvote,Vote:Saberwolf

You certainly are threatening to self-hammer if you reference a game where you did it already in 18 posts after a wagon starts on you. If you actually consider doing it you're either scum or a huge liability for the town.

LOL, so you put me one vote closer to see if I'll do it? That's anti-town and scummy of you right there.

I don't see how it could be possibly worse than your "threat" to do it.

I don't really care if you think I'm sitting on the sidelines and I've already answered why I'm not voting yet. But I'll restate it since you apparently missed it, I don't vote until I think I've found scum. Very simple.

Sounds like you're just gonna wait for someone else to make a case/bandwagon for you to hop on. Just like you'd wait for someone else to get us out of RVS.


I agree with Bigmc, I think saber's reads are pretty weak. Lynx doesn't look remotely suspicious to me for his post, and the memorable raindrops thing basically calls itself. After all this posting he looks all bark and no bite.

Plus I feel like wanting to lynch saber isn't an antitown sentiment. Quite the opposite. There's a reason saber says his play avoids NKs. Because it is better for scum than town.

unvote, vote:saberwolf

[saberwolf]

Paradox: I have never lost a game as scum (6-0). Just remember that if you lynch me and I flip town.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

Really? Because I think you and CKD are trying a little too hard to make my mistake look like a scum move. Fishy? Maybe. Scummy on its own? Hell no.

FoS: CKD & Dank

CKD's pushing it far more than Dank I think. Dank merely FOSed you over it while CKD specifically wanted every player to address the vote.

Do you still find Saber the scummiest? Your vote seems more intended for pressure than to actually lynch him. Do you want him lynched?

I'm not completely sold on the bigmc. Is there more besides the not noticing the vote?

Paradox: I have never lost a game as scum (6-0). Just remember that if you lynch me and I flip town.

What kind of defense is this? Why in this in anyway have any bearing on this game?

Unvote

Scott I would like to know who holds your primary suspicion as well.

[Paradoxombie]

Paradox: I have never lost a game as scum (6-0). Just remember that if you lynch me and I flip town.

Yeah I'm not understanding your point, if there is one. So how many of those winning games were you lynched in?

[saberwolf]

Paradox: I have never lost a game as scum (6-0). Just remember that if you lynch me and I flip town.

Yeah I'm not understanding your point, if there is one. So how many of those winning games were you lynched in?

None. All of my scum games I have made it to the end. I have also won 2 out of 2 games as SK.

[dank]

You're saying that you stay alive till the end as scum. Do you play those games like you play this one, and be so obviously antitown that town doesn't want to go through with the lynch and ignores you?

So, you're supporting what lynx said earlier and building a case for your lynch? That's your defense, then?

[saberwolf]

You're saying that you stay alive till the end as scum. Do you play those games like you play this one, and be so obviously antitown that town doesn't want to go through with the lynch and ignores you?

So, you're supporting what lynx said earlier and building a case for your lynch? That's your defense, then?

not all of it, but its a small percentage of it, yes.

It isn't so much to deter you, it's more to put you down as scumhunters

[Lynx The Antithesis]

How in any way does that put us down?

Do you intentionlly attempt to provoke players as both town and scum equally?

[saberwolf]

How in any way does that put us down?

Do you intentionlly attempt to provoke players as both town and scum equally?

yes, almost all the time. It's actually amazing how pro-town it actually is when you see the results, even if in the very short run it does not appear to be so.

[dank]

How in any way does that put us down?

Do you intentionlly attempt to provoke players as both town and scum equally?

yes, almost all the time. It's actually amazing how pro-town it actually is when you see the results, even if in the very short run it does not appear to be so.

Aren't the results a scum win 6 out of 6 times?

If anything, if you're town in a game, you're giving the town a huge headache, and if you're scum, you're setting yourself up nicely. There is nothing pro-town about it.

[saberwolf]

thats where you're wrong. I come off as scummy, but it engages a load of discussion and shows sides very quickly.

[dank]

..or wins you games as scum?

[dank]

thats where you're wrong. I come off as scummy, but it engages a load of discussion and shows sides very quickly.

and it apparently that discussion doesn't show sides very quickly, if you're slipping by as scum 100% of the time, does it?

[saberwolf]

thats where you're wrong. I come off as scummy, but it engages a load of discussion and shows sides very quickly.

and it apparently that discussion doesn't show sides very quickly, if you're slipping by as scum 100% of the time, does it?

who says I play all scum games acting scummy?

[Lowell]

No one cares what saber does or does not do in other games. Vote him or don't.

[Paradoxombie]

If you were in my position now do you think you would support your lynch, saber?

[Paradoxombie]

and why or why not?

[dank]

thats where you're wrong. I come off as scummy, but it engages a load of discussion and shows sides very quickly.

and it apparently that discussion doesn't show sides very quickly, if you're slipping by as scum 100% of the time, does it?

who says I play all scum games acting scummy?

How in any way does that put us down?

Do you intentionlly attempt to provoke players as both town and scum equally?

yes, almost all the time. It's actually amazing how pro-town it actually is when you see the results, even if in the very short run it does not appear to be so.

apparently you.

[saberwolf]

If you were in my position now do you think you would support your lynch, saber?

absolutely. I'd lynch myself right now.

I've been anti-town, and you guys can't see any other reason to look otherwise, so by all accounts, it makes some sense to lynch me.

[dank]

A town player has very little reason to use saber's strategy at this point in the game; it creates a confusing kind of discussion that, as saber already admitted, lets the scum causing the whole thing to slip through. A town player has no motivation to do this, a scum player has all the motivation in the world.

Saber's trying to tempt the town with his lynch so much that the wifom it brings simply causes the town to largely ignore him the rest of the way, paving the way for a smooth ride as scum. Its an excellent strategy for scum to use (as saber shows gallantly with his scum record), and a nonsensical one for a townie use (as saber shows gallantly with his scum record). Its a smokescreen on the town, and the one blowing the smoke probably has something to hide.

unvote, vote saber

[saberwolf]

I actually have lots of motivation to do what I'm doing, regardless of alignment. It's such a controversial stirup in the forums, that I'm surprised none of you have caught on yet, but then again, neither did anybody else in any of the other games....that's ok though, do what you gotta do. I think my vote is on scum.

[saberwolf]

dammit, I already promised budja I'd play legit

nvm.


anyways, you want more info, talk to hewitt, he just figured it out.

Otherwise, I'm going back to scumhunting, and ignoring the next three posts that address me

[ZEEnon]

Vote Count:

saberwolf:

Memorable Raindrops, bigmc109, Paradoxombie, dank

bigmc109:

curiouskarmadog, Budja, Lowell

Memorable Raindrops:

Scott Brosius, saberwolf

Lynx The Antithesis:

GinzkeyPlatz

Scott Brosius:

Lynx The Antithesis

Not Voting:

hewitt

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: December 23rd, 2009 at approximately 10 p.m.

[Lynx The Antithesis]

dammit, I already promised budja I'd play legit

nvm.


anyways, you want more info, talk to hewitt, he just figured it out.

Otherwise, I'm going back to scumhunting, and ignoring the next three posts that address me

What is this with hewitt?

You're bouncing back and forth with this gambit card. You're the town's biggest concern right now in my opinion.

Vote:Saberwolf

[hewitt]

Sounds like you're just gonna wait for someone else to make a case/bandwagon for you to hop on. Just like you'd wait for someone else to get us out of RVS.

Very inaccurate but okay, whatever.

not all of it, but its a small percentage of it, yes.

It isn't so much to deter you, it's more to put you down as scumhunters

There's no point in that because it's all a crapload of WIFOM and anything you say in regards to that really shouldn't be taken into serious consideration by anyone.

thats where you're wrong. I come off as scummy, but it engages a load of discussion and shows sides very quickly.

There's a huge difference between attempting to start conversation and deliberately acting anti-town to make the game revolve around you so you can bask in your scumminess.

anyways, you want more info, talk to hewitt, he just figured it out.

I don't know which game you're talking about! lol.

I have no ill thoughts/wishes about you or anything like I do other players but I really disagree with your playstyle and the bet and everything to do with this whole scenario you and animorpherv have set up. I think it's unfair to the rest of us and should not be condoned. I hope to play with you again once this whole bet thing is over and I can actually play with the real you, perhaps on Mish Mash or whatever that is lol.

Vote: saberwolf