Mafia 104 - Revenge of the Crimson King - Game!

[Merkabah]

Yeah, RF, the person you CC'd was the 3rd of 3 scum in a row that we lynched (all after your CC). We had bigger fish to fry; but we needed your claim there to get the information for that 3rd lynch. Here, we didn't need your {RF's} claim. "Similar" situation (only the CC'ing part, really); completely different need and motivation.

[Merkabah]

@MMan: the only way we'd believe him is if you flip scum. We're not that stupid.

@Annachie: Hi, why the unvote?

[Socrates]

I am having a really hard time getting into this game.

I don't think Rayfrost shouldn't have claimed, if he is telling the truth. Momentum was already so heavily shifted towards Monkey that all he accomplished was outing himself to a NK...

The obvious play here is to lynch monkeyman, since there is so much stacked against him, it is almost impossible for him to be town.

I need to re-read.

How many votes does MonkeyMan already have?

[Annachie]

Added by way of post

My rough count had MM at L-1 and I suspect the wagon was rolling too fast.

Bloody big FOS MM

MM, if your a town tracker, how about we see a full claim.

Ray, might be a good idea for you too, but I'm not demanding it. Yet.

If people are happy with the rush lynching, then I will place my vote back on.

[RayFrost]

Skip to page 32 to see where I come in for that game I linked.

Also...

MM:

As scum, what is the value of claiming your role when you are, in fact, going to die without any such help?

---

I feel the need to prevent any attempt of you escaping death because I

know

you are scum. I tracked you with you being my

largest

suspect for 90% of D1, including the time CB was lynched.

You were the other claimed tracker. I didn't think there would be 2 trackers in the town (in the other game, I asked about how that would balance for a game like that one, except it was two vigs)

You claimed the person you didn't in fact target.

I claimed to

ensure

this was known.

[Merkabah]

I counted 7 before the unvote; 19 alive (need 10)

6 on right now (l-4) based on a brief skim.

[RayFrost]

Yeah, RF, the person you CC'd was the 3rd of 3 scum in a row that we lynched (all after your CC). We had bigger fish to fry; but we needed your claim there to get the information for that 3rd lynch. Here, we didn't need your {RF's} claim. "Similar" situation (only the CC'ing part, really); completely different need and motivation.

>.<" Amished, I can't tell the

fuckin'

friggin' difference between these situations.

That blunt enough for yah? I feel they are the same.

[Socrates]

I doubt we should hammer until everyone at least posts once.

I think it would be a good idea to hear who everyone thinks is Monkey's parter.

I have no idea yet, and that is why I want to re-read.

[xRECKONERx]

Gonna guess that RayFrost is not actually town tracker, but MonkeyMan is still scum. Probably a good move by RF: MM was gonna get lynched anyway, so CC the already dead-in-the-water scum to get pseudo-cleared. Nice trick... if I'm right. But again, I'm not sure I am.

So I'm gonna go with a MM lynch peeps. We'll see how useful RF turns out to be.

[MonkeyMan576]

@MMan: the only way we'd believe him is if you flip scum. We're not that stupid.

@Annachie: Hi, why the unvote?

If I flip scum, then there are two trackers. If there are two trackers, my claim is just as believable as RF's claim. My play has been more pro town than RF, my day 1 play backs up my night action play, and I didn't give up my power role claim unnecessarily. RF's claim is all too convinient, and reeks of a scum gambit.

[RayFrost]

After reading post 832, I thought of something that'd have been brilliant for me-scum to have done!

CC MM

as his scum partner

!

This way, I get the town cred after he flips!

Yeah, you guys should totally suspect me even if he flips scum, thinking about it.

[Annachie]

I counted 7 before the unvote; 19 alive (need 10)

6 on right now (l-4) based on a brief skim.

I got 8 and 18 for 9, but it was a quick count. I'll go back and check again and ...

[RayFrost]

MM:

just a question here...

are you saying I breadcrumbed tracker

twice

D1 and kept

constant

watch on you through D1 all to set up that you would mess up D2 and I could ride the coattails of you dying?

[Socrates]

Monkey, who are your picks for scum other than RayFrost?

[Xylthixlm]

Vote Count (Xyl-style)

MonkeyMan576 -

7

(Vaya, xRECKONERx, Riceballtail, Raivann, Tarhalindur, RayFrost, Merkabah)
RayFrost -

1

(MonkeyMan576)

Not voting: Devestation, zoraster, Socrates, Wickedestjr, muh316, Kise, Glork, Empking, Pads, Slicey, Annachie

With 19 alive it will take 10 to lynch.

[Merkabah]

Oh, right: 3 deaths since we can't update 1st post so 16 alive; 8 to lynch. We were at L-1; we're at L-2 right now.

@RF: Hewitt was probably going to be believed for a while before BM. We *then* had BattleMage leading the town and got off 2 guilty cop investigations; and one on Hewitt. We couldn't have really known that Hewitt was scum without a CC (which made it iffy and needed more information) or an investigation (which we got IIRC).

Here: We have a dead tracker already; MMan was scummy before and was flailing pretty hard today. I don't think anybody could've really swayed us from lynching him. You claim anyways; not especially helping the situation as we were going to come to the conclusion to lynch him. If you *were* town tracker, I would've expected you to wait to see. If he was gonna get lynched, then you can go on tracking undercover. If he wasn't/wagon was slowing down: then you could've claimed and got it back around to the right target.

There's a huge difference between the two games.

-A

[Annachie]

Merkebah was vote 8, but I was wrong and there are 19 left (for a need of 10) not 18(9)

Vote MonkeyMan

[RayFrost]

MM:

just a question here...

are you saying I breadcrumbed tracker

twice

D1 and kept

constant

watch on you through D1 all to set up that you would mess up D2 and I could ride the coattails of you dying?

Actually, scratch that.

Does anybody see me doing this?

I'm sincerely curious.

[Merkabah]

Yes. Scum tracker is plausible.

[MonkeyMan576]

Monkey, who are your picks for scum other than RayFrost?

Devestation and Empking for now.

[RayFrost]

Here: We have a dead tracker already; MMan was scummy before and was flailing pretty hard today. I don't think anybody could've really swayed us from lynching him. You claim anyways; not especially helping the situation as we were going to come to the conclusion to lynch him. If you *were* town tracker, I would've expected you to wait to see. If he was gonna get lynched, then you can go on tracking undercover. If he wasn't/wagon was slowing down: then you could've claimed and got it back around to the right target.

There's a huge difference between the two games.

-A

Okay, I see it now.

I think this is the last time I should be a PR... (though I bet I'll end up being one again... )

I'm too CC happy.

[RayFrost]

Yes. Scum tracker is plausible.

So you sincerely believe that I foresaw MM stupidly messing up on D2?

You

really

think that?

[Merkabah]

The only way he messed up (his claim at least) was by having a tracker die overnight and claiming a bit too early yesterday.

[Merkabah]

Both of which you saw (or should have).

[RayFrost]

Okay.

So I'm scum that wasn't scum in anybody's mind (as far as I know, I was town or neutral on like... 90% of the lists) that wanted to solidify being town by CC'ing somebody about to die.

I'm also scum for what other reasons...?