Mini 892 - Mayor Mafia (GAME OVER)

[kyle99]

That isn't your argument at all. In the paragraph

that I just quoted

you claimed that his claim was a really bad move for a cop to make so you have to conclude that he must be scum fakeclaiming. You were using Monkey's claim itself to justify your vote right there.

No, I said there was no good reason for him to claim cop unless he was scum, hence the vote for him.

[Socrates]

That isn't your argument at all. In the paragraph

that I just quoted

you claimed that his claim was a really bad move for a cop to make so you have to conclude that he must be scum fakeclaiming. You were using Monkey's claim itself to justify your vote right there.

No, I said there was no good reason for him to claim cop unless he was scum, hence the vote for him.

Um, yea, thats EXACTLY what I said you were doing, and I am saying it is scummy as all hell.

Answer my question Kyle. Pray tell, what SHOULD a cop have done in his situation?

[MichelSableheart]

Twelfth support count of day 1:

charter (0)

kyle99 (1)

Hoopla

Moai Interceptor Cannons (0)

Debonair Danny DiPietro (0)

SerialClergyman (0)

Hoopla (1)

SerialClergyman

* Socrates (6)

Socrates, charter, Col.Cathart, kyle99, Moai Interceptor Cannons, MonkeyMan576

MonkeyMan576 (1)

Debonair Danny DiPietro

xRECKONERx (0)

nhammen (2)

nhammen, xRECKONERx

Col.Cathart (0)

SaintKerrigan (0)

Not supporting anyone (1)

SaintKerrigan

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 votes to elect someone as mayor.

an * marks who would become mayor if the day ended right now.

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Twelfth vote count of day 1:

charter (0)

kyle99 (2)

xRECKONERx, Socrates

Moai Interceptor Cannons (0)

Debonair Danny DiPietro (1)

MonkeyMan576

SerialClergyman (1)

Hoopla

Hoopla (4)

charter, SerialClergyman, nhammen, Moai Interceptor Cannons

Socrates (0)

MonkeyMan576 (4)

Col.Cathart, kyle99, SaintKerrigan, Debonair Danny DiPietro

xRECKONERx (0)

nhammen (0)

Col.Cathart (0)

SaintKerrigan (0)

Not voting anyone (0)

With 13 votes available, it takes 7 votes to lynch someone. However, noone can be lynched before a mayor is elected.

[MonkeyMan576]

Well, Hoopla's not my top choice, but in the interest of not being lynched...I don't have any strong town readings on her either.

Unvote:
Vote: Hoopla

[Col.Cathart]

Also, if Monkey is scum, who are his partners?

That's an awful question, IMO. Hunt scummy acting players, and then look for connections if they were scum, not otherwise. This kind of question adds another layer of confusion, WIFOMiness (if he's scum, his buddies are trying to save, or bus him? etc.), and in general is making things complicated, when they were rather simple before.

Nothing changed from my last post... If not Monkey, I will be just as happy with Reckoner lynch, and moderately satisfied with Hoopa/Kyle lynch.

[Moai Interceptor Cannons]

I'm here, not much to report. Nhammen is being scummy with his questioning, may look at him after we get some alignments. Kyle seems to genuinely believe what he's saying makes sense, undecided if noob/scum. Vehemently against a Reck lynch at this point (not that that's actually anywhere close to going ahead). Still think Hoopla is a nice (i.e. the best) lynch, sadly seems to be a little lacking in support behind the Monkey wagon.

@Hoopla, what do you think of Kyle and Monkey?
@Serial and Nhammen, what do you think of Kyle?

[SerialClergyman]

I had kyle as just new, but he seems worse and worse. I like Socrates line of questioning and thought kyle's response was poor. I'm worried I'm giving him a free pass. A policy lynch here is more acceptable than a monkey lynch, in my opinion.

I also thoroughly approve of asking about partners.

[Col.Cathart]

I also thoroughly approve of asking about partners.

Why, if I may ask? I don't see the benefits of trying to pair someone with unknown alignment with someone else with just as unknown alignment.

[SerialClergyman]

Did you read Commie Mafia after you died?

One of the biggest reasons I was able to narrow scum down to hoopla, charter or cyberbob was that I could clear Raskol by eliminating the rest of the town as a scumpartner for him.

But on a deeper level, looking at the way people vote and bandwagons that come and go is very informative. If someone is universally regarded as scummy in a serious manner, they are almost certainly not town, or else they have a ruthless scum team.

Pooky in /inv 4 is a good example of this.

[kyle99]

That isn't your argument at all. In the paragraph

that I just quoted

you claimed that his claim was a really bad move for a cop to make so you have to conclude that he must be scum fakeclaiming. You were using Monkey's claim itself to justify your vote right there.

No, I said there was no good reason for him to claim cop unless he was scum, hence the vote for him.

Um, yea, thats EXACTLY what I said you were doing, and I am saying it is scummy as all hell.

Answer my question Kyle. Pray tell, what SHOULD a cop have done in his situation?

I don't know what a cop should have done in that situation, it's obviously a bad situation to be in. IF he is the cop, he can either not claim and possibly be lynched or claim and possibly not be lynched, but then night killed tonight. IF I was mafia, I wouldn't risk getting myself lynched by trying to get Monkey lynched because I would have just NKed monkey.

[SerialClergyman]

Just realised I totally undermined my own meaning *sigh*

EBWOP: they are almost certainly not

town

scum, or else they have a ruthless scum team.

[charter]

Letting Monkeyman live is one of the worst ideas I have ever seen. Has there been a single wagon he hasn't been on?

[charter]

Even better when I remember to

unvote, vote Monkey

[nhammen]

@Serial and Nhammen, what do you think of Kyle?

Either newb or scum. He was attempting to active lurk until coming under pressure (and still does occasionally). His logic is awful, but bad logic is not scummy in itself. He doesn't seem to realize the inconsistency between

I think monkey being scum is the only logical reason for claiming cop.

and

IF he is the cop, he can either not claim and possibly be lynched or claim and possibly not be lynched, but then night killed tonight.

I don't think this is intentional regardless of alignment. So this logic seems to be a newbtell. Whether he is newbscum or newbtown, I'm not sure.

If someone is universally regarded as scummy in a serious manner, they are almost certainly not town, or else they have a ruthless scum team.

At least one player sees where I was going with my partner questioning.

Letting Monkeyman live is one of the worst ideas I have ever seen. Has there been a single wagon he hasn't been on?

Has there been a single player that has not been on his wagon, or supporting his wagon?

[MonkeyMan576]

Kyle's theory on cop claiming is incorrect. I think it's better to claim cop and hope for a doctor than to lie as town.

[Socrates]

Anti-prod FTW!

[kyle99]

Just saying that Hoopla and Monkey are at L2 and Socrates is at M1.

[SaintKerrigan]

Antiprod. I've been in the middle of catching up with another game, but I'll try to get out a content post tomorrow.

[SerialClergyman]

nhammen, while I agree in theory with your reasoning, I think in this case it's a little shallow. There are plenty of people who voted or 'agreed' with his lynch but then have been staunchly against it after the claim (again, I put myself in this category). So you'd have to be real sure that my support of his lynch was genuine.

I don't disagree with your methods, but I think that you're a fair way from clearing monkey at this point, you'd need to dig a lot further.

Either way - he's a terribad lynch.

charter - so you make a post saying if no hoopla wagon gets up you're going to leave. Then I point out to you that a Hoopla wagon is officially up. Then you accept that point, then you leave right after anyway. What's with that?

[charter]

The Monkey wagon got its second wind. He joins every possible wagon with even more non existent reasoning than his last vote. He is too scummy to let live. I basically see it as anyone else besides him, is just a bad lynch because no one comes within miles of how scummy Monkey is.

[MonkeyMan576]

The Monkey wagon got its second wind. He joins every possible wagon with even more non existent reasoning than his last vote. He is too scummy to let live. I basically see it as anyone else besides him, is just a bad lynch because no one comes within miles of how scummy Monkey is.

I think I was very clear with my reasoning. If it's between me and Hoopla, obviously my choice is Hoopla. And way to misrepresent my wagon as "gaining steam" as opposed to the Hoopla wagon.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Just saying that Hoopla and Monkey are at L2 and Socrates is at M1.

What a useful post, I mean it wasn't like there was a vote count posted just a few posts ago or anything that anyone could clearly read. Tell me Kyle, are you afraid of posting much because I'll compare your play here with the newbie game we just got out of?

[kyle99]

Just saying that Hoopla and Monkey are at L2 and Socrates is at M1.

What a useful post, I mean it wasn't like there was a vote count posted just a few posts ago or anything that anyone could clearly read. Tell me Kyle, are you afraid of posting much because I'll compare your play here with the newbie game we just got out of?

No, that was my first game, and my play is much different now. You should compare someone's 5th game to their 1st game.

[charter]

The Monkey wagon got its second wind. He joins every possible wagon with even more non existent reasoning than his last vote. He is too scummy to let live. I basically see it as anyone else besides him, is just a bad lynch because no one comes within miles of how scummy Monkey is.

I think I was very clear with my reasoning. If it's between me and Hoopla, obviously my choice is Hoopla. And way to misrepresent my wagon as "gaining steam" as opposed to the Hoopla wagon.

Well, instead of just quitting, you could actually put some effort in to the game for once and try and do something other than wave signs saying "lynch me, I'm scum".

Self preservation voting is fine, but the middle of day one like what you did is just scummy. Instead of trying to help the town, all you're doing is praying Hoopla is scum.

[SerialClergyman]

Self preservation voting is fine, but the middle of day one like what you did is just scummy. Instead of trying to help the town, all you're doing is praying Hoopla is scum.

That assumes he's town, no?