Mini 859 - Cleansing of Falls Church - Over

[BigBear]

Yes, i am scum because I was against a wagon that you were pushing for... that just so happened to be town...


*facepalm*


More to come tomorrow after my finals.

[Sanjay]

Read the rules, Furry.

[Furry]

Nothing against paraphrasing. Also you already said you role name is 'Vanilla Townie' right?

[Sanjay]

What don't you like about the push against semioldguy?

[Sanjay]

No, I said my role was vanilla townie.

[Furry]

The fact that I have him as my second strongest town read by a whole lot

[Furry]

No, I said my role was vanilla townie.

So your role name is "Resident?"

[Sanjay]

Furry, why are you not being more careful about rule 4?

[Furry]

Furry, why are you not being more careful about rule 4?

Run answers by the mod first if you insist.

Rule 4 doesnt seem to say anything about claiming your role name though.

[Sanjay]

I do insist.

[Looker]

Oh, I don't want to answer that one.

Well at least answer Furry's questions.

Need to do some thinking after the last two flips basically dashed all possible scenarios I had planned out.

I still think that DRK-Semi are town, and really dont like this push against him. This holds especially true since so few people think he is scum, that a flip on a wagon opposing him wouldnt do much to clear more

So....

Scum are in AB-BB-Sanjay, I doubt that fitz is scum, but he isnt in the town category that other are, looker is in this grey area too, but closer to town then fitz for things I will point out later if needed.

@Sanjay - What is your role name? Your win condition?

Grey area? Moi? Why, I've so keen a sense of justice it'd make your head spin.

[Looker]

Need two more votes on Sanjay. Whoever's left not voting is scum. Makes sense? Alright.

[Kreriov]

Because it has been requested....

Sample PM

You are a resident of Falls Church. No way will you allow some gang bangers from the Left Coast to invade your peaceful, law abiding town!

You have no powers other than your voice, your vote, and your keen sense of justice. Good luck cleaning up your town!

Confirm in thread here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12433
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I guess I should have been more specific in the PMs, but standard win conditions apply, i.e. you win with your faction whether alive or dead.

[BigBear]

damnit. I didn't like Sanjay's claim because he had NO mention of being a resident.

Vote stays on Sanjay!

[havingfitz]

Kudos to DKU for really focking up a game. Claiming cop, when the cop was gone, when you have a town position. I suppose I could see people dead set on lynching Sanjay staying with their top suspect, but I can not understand why anyone would criticize the people who supported DKU's lynch after DKU's actions. It even got Looker to waiver a bit on her Sanjay crusade and that says a lot as determined as he (?) is.

Player Name ---> (What are your reads on this player)

Havingfitz ---> Semioldguy
Havingfitz ---> Archaebob

I do not have especially stong town feeling towards either of them. They are not at the top of my scum list but they are aren't far from it. They are higher on my list at the moment than Sanjay is. Top of my list is still where it was yesterday.

Vote BigBear

P.S.

I will be v/LA from this Friday until 02Jan10

(as the Mod was aware of before I joined). I would like to stay in the game assuming I am not lynched or NK'd, but I will understand whatever the Mod decides.

[Kreriov]

Vote Count

BigBear (1) - havingfitz

Sanjay (3)

- semioldguy looker BigBear
semioldguy (2) - Sanjay archeabob

Not voting: DeathRowKitty Furry

With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Bold

indicates the current person who will be lynched when deadline is reached.

[Sanjay]

Because it has been requested....

Sample PM

You are a resident of Falls Church. No way will you allow some gang bangers from the Left Coast to invade your peaceful, law abiding town!

You have no powers other than your voice, your vote, and your keen sense of justice. Good luck cleaning up your town!

Confirm in thread here: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12433
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I guess I should have been more specific in the PMs, but standard win conditions apply, i.e. you win with your faction whether alive or dead.

This is why I didn't claim role name yesterday and why I was reluctant to claim win condition today. It would auto-confirm me to anyone who had the vanilla PM if I said "Um, I'm not sure what the win condition is, it doesn't really say".

This isn't a theme game.

[semioldguy]

Also, surely you've seen a hastily created deadline wagon hit scum before, haven't you?

I have not. I don't find it to ever be anywhere near a likely scenario. That isn't to say that it couldn't happen, but the circumstances yesterday did not make that seem likely at all in my opinion.

What point would you like me to refute? That I tried to start a wagon to drive votes away from DJ day one? You got me. I did. I also explained my motivations behind doing that. What do you have a problem with exactly?

Currently what I am having a problem with is your deflection. Most of your most recent "answers" to my questions and the questions you pose to me don't have anything to do with my posts or the current conversation. Either you aren't reading them very carefully or you are deliberately trying to steer it in another direction while also ignoring much of what is being said now.

Are you saying that if you don't know where someone's reads are coming from that it makes that person scummy? If not, then this isn't a valid point.

If the person refuses to explain the reads, yes.

I'd like to inform you that you are wrong. It is not always pro-town to come forward with everything. For instance, if I have a very effective read to catch scum or tells on a certain player then I can continue to use it to catch scum. But if I share those read with the scum or that player, then they become aware of it making that read/tell much less useful. Other times it's helpful to build a wagon without giving reasons to get information about who hops on the wagon and how the wagon forms. Not giving reads could help to hide one's role as a cop so that they are not outed. I could go on if I need to. There are many pro-town reasons not to explain reads.

Fortunately for you, being wrong isn't a scum tell. Unfortunately for you, there are plenty of other things you are doing that are.

Whether I am town looking for a lynch or scum looking for a mislynch, I don't see your point here. Either way, I might have been better pressing and catching you off balance.

What's your case?

You asked for an analysis of motivation from me, and also expressed doubt that I had any at all. I provided that motivation analysis. If your response to me answering your inquiry is to question the fact that I am responding, then I suggest you use another tactic.

[Sanjay]

semioldguy, I answered your initial accusations within the first few pages of you making them and you haven't commented on why the answers weren't sufficient.

What am I deflecting?

[semioldguy]

This is why I didn't claim role name yesterday and why I was reluctant to claim win condition today. It would auto-confirm me to anyone who had the vanilla PM if I said "Um, I'm not sure what the win condition is, it doesn't really say".

Uh.... scum much? Are you saying that the reason you didn't do this is because you didn't want to confirm yourself to other townies? You are either backtracking and making up a reason in hindsight and/or you are full or crap. How would it ever be a bad thing to auto-confirm yourself to town?

[Sanjay]

Because that would be cheating, semioldguy.

[semioldguy]

Which rule would that break?

[Sanjay]

Using the role PM to my advantage.

[Sanjay]

That's not the kind of shenanigans that should be going on in a normal game, semioldguy.

[semioldguy]

It says

structure

of the PM, though it is noted that you chose to omit that. Structure indicates things such as there are ___ sentences in my PM, or the second line starts with ___, or the fifteenth letter is ___. That would be abuse of structure. The above sample quote from you has nothing to do with structure, but with content.