Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

[farside22]

I found out saber was banned. I will look for a replacement but don't be surprised if it is BV again.

[Mr Finch]

Out of kmd/Sens :Sens. Kmd wasb't acting scumym and

replacing out because of bad players is a bad move, and I sonsider it scummy.

Bolded is utter crap. It's not scummy, it's toys and prams. This has been said lots of times and you can't use it as a reason.

Your apparent lack of enthusiasm to come up with original reasoning, however, is scummy, almost active lurking. Therefore

Vote: Ani

I will also

vote: SlySly

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I don't liek that he didn't listen to any of town when he put up the eviction nominees, or the replacement after POV and instead got a townie lynched.

Paltry and the uber quick use of the POV to pull KMD out of the fire got to me. As others have already stated, it was almost a given that Sens would have been lynched given the choices and yet it was still used.

It was ME that suggested Saber had the POV and started the whole conversation, saber did not lie. He didn't help himself either though.

I also note that Kast has not done much more that zwet to participate and convince us he's not scum either.

[SlySly]

That's not what "Ad Hom" is.

I posted 2 quotes. One was tunneling and one was Ad Hom.

[farside22]

coup d'etat clue #3

The house is a buzz today with another clue coming your way.
On the table in a clear case next to it is a note that says Puzzle 1




While outside the house as you lounge about in walks a very disturbing imagine around it's next you see Puzzle 2

[pablito]

Right now Sly and Paltry are top suspects, but Sironigous shouldn't be getting a free pass either.

I'm also feeling a bit of a lack of punch coming from Crazy. Kinda coasting.

[PaltryExcuse]

furthermore, you could've just point blank asked saber if he had it. rather than expressing the willingness to waste the pov for that purpose. And I do think that willing to waste the pov to counterclaim is WAY scummier than willingness to use pov in a week 1 situation.

Why?

[SlySly]

How is it a scumtell that I agreed with you?

I am just reminding everyone that you "really liked" that pick that everyone else hated and were very quick to vote DisCode out with authority.

And your "previously stated reasons" are crap.

Time will tell. Seems like we have been here before. Seen any Bigfoot tracks?

[animorpherv1]

Out of kmd/Sens :Sens. Kmd wasb't acting scumym and

replacing out because of bad players is a bad move, and I sonsider it scummy.

Bolded is utter crap. It's not scummy, it's toys and prams. This has been said lots of times and you can't use it as a reason.

Your apparent lack of enthusiasm to come up with original reasoning, however, is scummy, almost active lurking.

So, if evevryone else but you thought the same things on 1 person, there all scummy for it?

[pablito]

furthermore, you could've just point blank asked saber if he had it. rather than expressing the willingness to waste the pov for that purpose. And I do think that willing to waste the pov to counterclaim is WAY scummier than willingness to use pov in a week 1 situation.

Why?

Asking questions is less scummy than assuming?

[PaltryExcuse]

furthermore, you could've just point blank asked saber if he had it. rather than expressing the willingness to waste the pov for that purpose. And I do think that willing to waste the pov to counterclaim is WAY scummier than willingness to use pov in a week 1 situation.

Why?

Asking questions is less scummy than assuming?

He had ample opportunity to claim he didn't have it. He basically says that he doesn't have it later on, and I repeatedly say that he doesn't have it. The people assuming he had it was not me. It was others.
My point was, if he claimed to have it, put us both up, and we've caught him in a lie as I'll use the PoV to take myself off.
Secondly, he let people believe he had it when he didn't. Sly directly asks who he should put up if Saber PoV's himself. And yet saber says nothing to dissuade him from thinking so. He doesn't outright say he doesn't have it until later, and then the situation is dropped.
What did I assume? And what did the others assume? I don't recall assuming anything. I challenged saber to claim he had the PoV and then for Sly to put us up in response.

[pablito]

Yeah, I really think Sly was the worst propogator of the lie (even if Mr Finch was one of the first to point it out), but still, you were willing to waste the PoV on a simple counterclaim - one in which would have NOT proven or indicated toward anyone's alignment whatsoever.

There was a missing intermediary step where you could've even said put up saber and watch him not be able to take himself off. You went straight to willing to use it on yourself just to prove you had it. It's not that you suggested it should happen, but that it could happen. It's mostly in your willingness to use veto - and the fact that you did.

[Mr Finch]

Out of kmd/Sens :Sens. Kmd wasb't acting scumym and

replacing out because of bad players is a bad move, and I sonsider it scummy.

Bolded is utter crap. It's not scummy, it's toys and prams. This has been said lots of times and you can't use it as a reason.

Your apparent lack of enthusiasm to come up with original reasoning, however, is scummy, almost active lurking.

So, if evevryone else but you thought the same things on 1 person, there all scummy for it?

They were two completely separate statements. Please read the post again or make your question clearer as it makes no sense to me right now.

[PaltryExcuse]

I think it would've told us saber was lying, if he did claim to have it. Town has no reason to lie, scum does. I think it would indicate Saber was scum.

Why is a willingness to use the veto scummy? If I have a power, and I know I'm town, I will use it for what I believe is a town cause. Should I be afraid to use it?

[Mr Finch]

I don't think it was that fact that you were willing. I think it's the fact that you actually did so early in the game on what was essentially a foregone conclusion (lynch Sens over KMD) and effectively wasted a POV that could be used to a better end by town later in the game.

Certainly that's how it sits for me.

[PaltryExcuse]

I don't think it was that fact that you were willing. I think it's the fact that you actually did so early in the game on what was essentially a foregone conclusion (lynch Sens over KMD) and effectively wasted a POV that could be used to a better end by town later in the game.

Certainly that's how it sits for me.

I agree that it was a rather hasty use, however for me the foregone conclusion was not a good conclusion.

[pablito]

I will use it for what I believe is a town cause.

I think it was too early to believe it was a town cause.

[SlySly]

I will use it for what I believe is a town cause.

I think it was too early to believe it was a town cause.

Let's not forget who he took off the block.

[pablito]

Sly, I kinda don't care who was taken off the block. I'm more on the whole "using pov so early and so quickly" thing.

[SlySly]

Sly, I kinda don't care who was taken off the block. I'm more on the whole "using pov so early and so quickly" thing.

If you think the quick and early use of it is suspicious, that would have to make the user and the saved person suspicious. Paltry didn't even take notice of the fact that there was NO pressure being put on kmd, but he had to make sure kmd, his scumbuddy, was taken off the block, quickly and early.

[farside22]

In to replaced saberwolf is bv310. Thanks so much for doing this!

[SlySly]

Welcome back, bv310!! Maybe you can get in more than 6 posts with your new role.

[pablito]

Sly, I kinda don't care who was taken off the block. I'm more on the whole "using pov so early and so quickly" thing.

If you think the quick and early use of it is suspicious, that would have to make the user and the saved person suspicious. Paltry didn't even take notice of the fact that there was NO pressure being put on kmd, but he had to make sure kmd, his scumbuddy, was taken off the block, quickly and early.

Put any two people up on the block, I still think Paltry using PoV would've been suspicious. Even if I was up and PoVed, I still would've seen it as suspicious. I can see how I can separate the expediency of the usage and the recipient of the PoV very easily.

As for my actual opinion on kmd? was mostly townish before; at the moment neutral.

[SlySly]

Put any two people up on the block, I still think Paltry using PoV would've been suspicious. Even if I was up and PoVed, I still would've seen it as suspicious. I can see how I can separate the expediency of the usage and the recipient of the PoV very easily.

Could you please describe 1 good reason why scum would use POV quickly and early to save a townie when they could serve their team better by easily passing it to one of their scumbuddies for later use in the case that one of their team ended up on the block?

[Mr Finch]

In to replaced saberwolf is bv310. Thanks so much for doing this!

Damn! We only just got rid of him! Welcome back!

To be honest, I am glad that Saber was banned.

[SlySly]

I am glad that Saber was banned.

QFT. Changing the course of games by possibly disregarding your win condition over an avatar bet is uncool to say the least.