Newbie 869 - Game over

[Ellibereth]

Have to go now, but I would also like to draw everyone’s attention to RPG and deer’s almost complete lack of interaction day 1.

Your point? He really didn't say much.

It's something I'm thinking about. Will get to it later.
Please respond to my case against RPG/TNM instead of picking out the one sentence that concerns you.

Gut call scumteam: TNM, Deer. Happy with either lynch.

[jee]

Gut call scumteam: TNM, Deer. Happy with either lynch.

Elli can you explain why you'd be happy with a Deer lynch. I haven't really seen much from you about him. Mostly just TNM

If you think I’m scummier then jee you should go ahead and vote.

Well I for one think you're scummier than jee.

Vote: Elliberth

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Official Vote Count

Ellibereth - 2 (SensFan, jee)

SensFan - 1 (Mr Finch)
jee - 1 (totallynotmafia)
totallynotmafia - 1 (Ellibereth)

Not Voting - 2 (Deer, Tuberkulos)

4 to Lynch.

Deadline

is the end of Thursday, December 24.

[SensFan]

Sorry guys, exams. Will be back later today with something more than this.

[Mr Finch]

Unvote

I have done a re-read on RPG/TNM and can't find what Elli suggests is scummy. I don't believe that what he posted is truly scummy behaviour.

As was already pointed out by Sens long days are good for town and I am happy after my re-read that he's pro-town right now.

I don't like Elli's postings (I will post more when I'm not sneaking in a post from work) but am a little nervous of mislynching as it puts us at a very hard position (unless scum choose to not NK which is just dumb in my opinion).

FWIW my scumread right now is Elli and Deer.

[jee]

Unvote

I have done a re-read on RPG/TNM and can't find what Elli suggests is scummy. I don't believe that what he posted is truly scummy behaviour.

As was already pointed out by Sens long days are good for town and I am happy after my re-read that he's pro-town right now.

I don't like Elli's postings (I will post more when I'm not sneaking in a post from work) but am a little nervous of mislynching as it puts us at a very hard position (unless scum choose to not NK which is just dumb in my opinion).

FWIW my scumread right now is Elli and Deer.

This whole post really confused me.

1. You unvote a vote that was on SensFan, without reason
2. You follow it up by saying TNM is cleared in your mind.

This threw me off because you just unvoted. You know your vote was on SensFan right? And you said nothing about SensFan in this whole post, the person you just unvoted.

[Ellibereth]

All deer has done this game is react to what people say about him. He has not tried to scumhunt or bring forth a new idea, only "defend" against people. That's already very scummy.

Rpg's posts are all restating the obvious and he has several illogical statements that I am not comfortable with. TNM switches his vote from Deer to jee because jee "was making him tunnel" on deer. And he won't for me just because of some WIFOM.

Why did I mention them not interacting day 1? If either does turn out to flip scum, that is a big tell IMO.

At school again, more later.

[Mr Finch]

This whole post really confused me.

1. You unvote a vote that was on SensFan, without reason
2. You follow it up by saying TNM is cleared in your mind.

This threw me off because you just unvoted. You know your vote was on SensFan right? And you said nothing about SensFan in this whole post, the person you just unvoted.

No, you're right, I didn't explain the unvote. Why do I need a reason to UNvote? Did you notice the last line? my scumread right now is Elli and Deer. Why would I have a vote on someone who is not one of my two suspects?

2. I didn't say that. You are putting words in my mouth. Again, read the last line. My scumread right now is Elli and Deer. I could still be wrong and it doesn't mean that TNM is town. He could be scum, I just can't can't see the logic.

@Elli - you cannot compare RPG's "stating the obvious" posts with TNM's vote switch. Although they had the same role, they are different players with their own ways of playing. TNM did his read and placed his vote.

Know what I would really like? Some decent posting from the other FIVE players in this game. I have been prodded twice in this game for non-posting but we're getting so little conversation that it's really hard to make intelligent conversation.

If we go round and round like this much more then Elli, me and Jee are all gonna get lynched by each other! Longer days are great but only if there's posts of substance to go with. I really get the feeling that we're gonna hit a deadline lynch.

[quote="Elli]And he won't for me just because of some WIFOM[/quote]

Huh???

[Ellibereth]

I don't really see the point of the fos thing but the thing that's not making me change my vote to you yet is because if you ARE mafia, I don't understand why you would go after me when I am suspicious of your two main suspects all along, you could easily sit back and vote for them too while being completely consistent. That is unless one of them really is your scum-buddy, and the whole thing was just an act and you distancing yourself or even "bussing", which you apparently know all about.

WIFOM

[Ellibereth]

@Elli - you cannot compare RPG's "stating the obvious" posts with TNM's vote switch. Although they had the same role, they are different players with their own ways of playing. TNM did his read and placed his vote.

I'm talking about TNM's vote switch from deer -> jee.

If we go round and round like this much more then Elli, me and Jee are all gonna get lynched by each other!

Nah, I like you guys.

[Deer]

Elli, why didn't you bring up RPG's scumminess (FYPOV) while he was still here - it seems unfair to suddenly attack TNM for something he didn't do.

[SensFan]

Seems I didn't miss much. Elli's still Scum, guys.

[Ellibereth]

Elli, why didn't you bring up RPG's scumminess (FYPOV) while he was still here - it seems unfair to suddenly attack TNM for something he didn't do.

I told you I didn't reread him until he after got replaced.
It's not about fair or not fair, RPG's scummy actions passed on and TNM did things I'm not happy with either.

[totallynotmafia]

Ellie, I wasn't voting for you because we need to lynch scum or we're pretty much screwed, and I was more convinced that Jee was scum than you. I' dont know if it's WIFOM, I just think that if you are scum you would be better off voting for Jee because he's been a suspect of yours all along and there has been a fair amount of suspicion on him. Seems like the easier option to me. However, if you are scum-buddies with Jee that would explain it.

And I meant that I had been tunnelling Deer and Jee as mafia when I first read through the thread, and reading back I see that most of my suspicion of Deer was due to this association, rather than due to his actual posts.

However, I have been thinking of another game I read where the town lost and part of it was because everyone missed a big clue. I had a hunch that we were too and now a recent post has just confirmed it. That's all I'll say cause I'm already worried I've said too much.

Unvote, Vote Ellibereth

I'm in the hectic process of moving house so I may not be able to post for a couple of days, hopefully everything will be sorted out by tomorrow.

[jee]

@Mr.Finch: understood. usually people will say why they don't have as strong of a suspicion on someone when they unvote without revoting.

Elli, why didn't you bring up RPG's scumminess (FYPOV) while he was still here - it seems unfair to suddenly attack TNM for something he didn't do.

Yet again Deer attacks Elli for reasons that were already previously stated. Looks like he just is making it easy on himself and just using the same material everyone else uses.

Elli, I believe you are L-1, which means a role claim is in order.

[Mr Finch]

Seems I didn't miss much. Elli's still Scum, guys.

And it's posts like this that mean you didn't miss much. I do believe you are IC. Does this not mean that you should be setting a good example and promoting conversation rather than lurking?

[SensFan]

Seems I didn't miss much. Elli's still Scum, guys.

And it's posts like this that mean you didn't miss much. I do believe you are IC. Does this not mean that you should be setting a good example and promoting conversation rather than lurking?

More useless discussion is the exact opposite of what we need right now. Elli is Scum. He dropped a Scum slip; it doesn't get any easier than this.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Looking for a replacement for Tuberkulos.

[Ellibereth]

Cop, I have an innocent on jee.
And TNM, withholding information?

[Mr Finch]

More useless discussion is the exact opposite of what we need right now. Elli is Scum. He dropped a Scum slip; it doesn't get any easier than this.

I agree, but currently Elli, Jee TNM and myself are going round in circles because people like you are not promoting discussion.

I get what you're saying. You think Elli is scum. He dropped one slip.

What about the scum player? You?

@jee - thanks for the information.

[Mr Finch]

EBWOP: What about the other scum player? You?

I am not voting for anyone right now. I want to see others reaction to Elli's claim.

[Ellibereth]

Seems I didn't miss much. Elli's still Scum, guys.

And it's posts like this that mean you didn't miss much. I do believe you are IC. Does this not mean that you should be setting a good example and promoting conversation rather than lurking?

More useless discussion is the exact opposite of what we need right now. Elli is Scum. He dropped a Scum slip; it doesn't get any easier than this.

Sens, you're entire play against me has been this:
He said bussing wrong, he must be scum.
Seriously, I wasn't even the only one here who didn't fully understand the definition...

Your lack of comment about anything else that happened is noted.

[Deer]

Cop, I have an innocent on jee.

Does anybody CC this? If not, we really need to reconsider both Elli and jee's scumminess. And if both of them are clear, then I'm gonna move on to my secondary FoS - Sens. He's been tunnelling Elli this whole game, and while Elli has been scummy, the aggressive lynch push has made me a little suspicious, and if both Elli and jee are then clear, we need to look at other options.

[Ellibereth]

Deer, what do you have to say about the accusations against you?

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Nachomamma8 replaces Tuberkulos.