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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:10 pm

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Amished wrote:@everyone: sorry for my contribution this past week, my Grandma died last sunday night
Sorry to hear that, Amished. My condolences.
PorkchopExpress wrote:I would like Amished to answer Sotty’s question from yesterday. I’m getting some suspicious sensations from the way he kept sidestepping her request for details and don’t think the issue should be dropped just because she isn’t around anymore.
^This.
PorkchopExpress wrote:@Jazz: Expand on Amished suspicions, please.
Sure. I find it very suspicious the way he came out very early in the game suggesting that there is a third party SK, at a time when only a third party would know that. He really pushed that theme, even though there was no basis for it. That, to me, suggests that either he's Mafia trying to get townies to look for a third party when there isn't one, or that he's a third party trying to paint someone else in his own role.

Then there is the fact that he has accused almost every single player in the game of being scum, despite failing to present proper cases, which is also something that a third party would want to do. So far, he's accused the following players of being scum:
Benmage (but was reluctant to vote him for some unexplained reason, and then when he finally did, he quickly unvoted Ben saying it was only because the number to lynch after Vi died would be fewer, but he never did go back to that vote)
d3x/me (because he thinks d3x is a third party on the basis of absolutely nothing)
PCE (for very weak reasons)
CA (for very weak reasons)
Vi (for very weak reasons)
Sotty (only after she became suspicious of him, and his reasons for voting Sotty ring false)
DJ (despite saying that DJ was "obv town")
VP (for very weak reasons)
Ecto (but only reluctantly, until Ecto made a case against him)

That's nine of twelve players. Excluding himself, that leaves only two players who he has not accused of being scum: pwnz and Nacho. I get a town read from Nacho, but certainly not from pwnz.

Even more suspicious is that Amished has mentioned pwnz's name only twice the entire game: the first in his opening post to random-vote pwnz, and then never again until his post 39 to say that either Nacho or pwnz should do X because they have been around much. Not a single word of suspicion, ever. Not one.

Personally, I think pwnz is very likely to be scum, and yet Amished, who has accused 9 of 12 players of being scum, has not even uttered pwnz's name beyond the foregoing. That strikes me as highly suspect.

There's also the weird posts in which he praises Ben for making a decent post, acting as though it was something spectacular when it really wasn't; and the one in which he gushes over CA, calling him his "hero" for healing Vi, even though Amished was adamant that Vi was scummy until then. It's pretty convenient for him to say
after the fact
that in between the time that he repeatedly called Vi scummy and the time that CA healed her, he had changed his read on Vi. To me, it looks like scum who got caught backing a townie killing who then had to overcompensate for it when CA unexpectedly saved Vi.

There's also his repeated promises to provide information and failing to deliver.

Add it all up and it spells scum to me.

Vote: Amished

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I hate to burst your bubble, hoss, but the game moderator told me that in her PM to me when she thanked me for replacing in.

Like I said previously, this town isn't in the market for your snake oil.

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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Wed Dec 16, 2009 4:17 pm

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I think that Amished not mentioning Pwnz might just be more damning of Pwnz, albeit indirectly. This is what his playstyle is trying to achieve.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:32 am

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Jazz, your whole case on Amished hinges on the fact that I am scum, so why aren't you voting for me? *hic

The fact that Amished doesn't mention me but twice shouldn't come as too big of a surprise due to the fact that I don't say a whole lot. *hic
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:05 am

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So are you simply proposing that we should shoot you pwnz? Not like you plan to contribute.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:15 am

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Of course not, what a ridiculous assumption. *hic
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:44 am

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Sooooooo....this is going places....

vote Nacho.
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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:58 am

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So, is Jazz scummy to you then Pwnz?
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:15 am

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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:31 am

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Preemptive away. Gonna be gone friday 11 am EST to sunday....but sunday's also my fathers Bday so count the V/LA till Monday Dec. 21.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:35 am

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@nm8: If you don't agree with my votes, do you at least agree in principle (obviously not the explanation (yet, see the rest of this post)) with the vote on Jazz?
By principle do you mean voting someone when they're just replacing in? No, not really. And as for your explanation, I'm not sure I fully understand why you're going after Jazz. After all, if you are going to look at Jazz, you might as well look at the whole slot. D3x replaced out due to inactivity, let's not forget. Pwnz, on the other hand, has just been lurking and posting enough bullshit just so he DOESN'T get replaced. What's more scummy to you?

I think the town should shoot pwnz, and if he flips scum, lynch Amished. And in 2 days, if pwnz doesn't start posting lots of content, I'm killing him. That way, we won't get into any MyLo situations (if a MyLo exists).
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:50 am

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Ooh, put me down for willing to shoot Pwnz.
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:41 pm

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Let's all be sure we reach an agreement before anyone shoots anyone. I may be alright with PE shooting pwnz though.

I'd like to see Jazz and Amished hash it out before we do anything.

@Jazz-I would like to hear some more opinions from you. Who do you think is scum and who do you think is town?
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:01 pm

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It's probably a good idea to make sure that different people are shooting every time. In fact, it's probably a good idea for everyone to say whether or not they are a weak shot/strong shot before the fact.
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:15 pm

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Vote Count:

Jazzmyn (L-3) ~ Amished, Cobalt

Amished (L-4) ~ Jazzmyn
Nachomamma8 (L-4) ~ Benmage

Not Voting:
Benmage, Jazzmyn,
Nachomamma8, PorkchopExpress, pwnz, VP Baltar
[size=0]Ami 1 | Benmage 0 VLA Monday | Cobalt 0 | Jazz 0 | Nacho 0 | PExpress 0 | pwnz 0 | VPB 0[/size]
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 4:23 pm

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PorkchopExpress wrote:It's probably a good idea to make sure that different people are shooting every time. In fact, it's probably a good idea for everyone to say whether or not they are a weak shot/strong shot before the fact.
Good idea. Then, if patterns start to form, we'll know. I say we vote not only on WHO to shoot, but who should shoot that person. So, if patterns form, we'll know.

As for the claim itself, I'm obviously a weak shot.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:06 pm

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pwnz wrote:Jazz, your whole case on Amished hinges on the fact that I am scum, so why aren't you voting for me? *hic
No, my case on Amished does not hinge on you being scum. I have independent scum reads on both of you.
pwnz wrote:The fact that Amished doesn't mention me but twice shouldn't come as too big of a surprise due to the fact that
I don't say a whole lot.
*hic
The bolded part is a big part of why I think you're scum. You post enough to avoid being prodded but you don't contribute anything of value to the game.
PorkchopExpress wrote:Ooh, put me down for willing to shoot Pwnz.
Me, too.
VP Baltar wrote:I'd like to see Jazz and Amished hash it out before we do anything.
That's okay with me.
VP Baltar wrote:@Jazz-I would like to hear some more opinions from you. Who do you think is scum and who do you think is town?
Sure.
Here are my reads at present:
Scum: Amished, pwnz
Neutral: Ben, Porkchop, VP
Town: Cobalt, Nacho

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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 1:29 am

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Nachomamma8 wrote: I said I'd buy scum
in that group
, not anything more than that.
And d3x/Jazz is in that group. So it stands to reason that you'd buy that slot as scum despite your current town read, doesn't it? So I want to know why (even if you find it less likely than Ben or Pwnz).
Nachomamma8 wrote: I shot Ecto because he dared me to, which is something I tend to do as scum much more often than I do as town, so I figured it was a pretty safe bet. Also, deadline was coming up, and I wanted to get in a lynch on top of that shot. That's the reasoning that I had, but you can believe what you want; neither side can prove either way, so arguing about it will get us nowhere.
We're waiting for you to respond to VP's request in post 893
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:08 am

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I will be V/LA until Sunday.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:27 am

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I suppose until then we could just lynch Jazz and be done with it. *hic
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:28 am

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Or shoot you for being dead weight.
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:09 am

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Hey VP, what do you think about Jazz? *hic
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:11 am

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See my scum list printed earlier.
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:17 am

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So then let's lynch Jazz. You have her in your list of prospective scum remaining, and I have a positive investigation report on her as being scum. Case closed. *hic

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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:20 am

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You're claiming cop?
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:20 am

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Please full claim if so.
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